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FishingwithDave

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Corso312 said:
I grew the bag of oranges this summer, did pretty good. Lost some to rot but it was a terrible couple weeks end of September beginning of October. I pulled em around October 13th or 14th.

This year Ive got new stuff to run outdoors, Ive got 9 Bananna n Oranges going now.. Ill keep the best one and run a dozen clones outdoors.
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Sorry for the noob question, but could you explain the logic behind this approach and how you go about determining which one is the best one? I only have two outdoor grows under my belt with random seeds given to me. I basically just eliminate the males. For the upcoming season, I’ve invested in Useful Seeds including 50 Lucky Lime I won on an auction and a pack of feminized Chocolate Diesel S1’s.
 
Corso312

Corso312

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FishingwithDave said:
Sorry for the noob question, but could you explain the logic behind this approach and how you go about determining which one is the best one? I only have two outdoor grows under my belt with random seeds given to me. I basically just eliminate the males. For the upcoming season, I’ve invested in Useful Seeds including 50 Lucky Lime I won on an auction and a pack of feminized Chocolate Diesel S1’s.
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All nine are bananna og x bag of oranges but there will probably be two possibly three phenotypes among them.. So I will take yield, finishing time, bag appeal, taste and potency into consideration.
 
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FishingwithDave

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Corso312 said:
All nine are bananna og x bag of oranges but there will probably be two possibly three phenotypes among them.. So I will take yield, finishing time, bag appeal, taste and potency into consideration.
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If I’m understanding pheno hunting, you’ll start indoors with nine seedlings, then take a clone of each of the nine, veg the plants from seedlings for awhile, flip to flower, harvest and analyze, then take clones from the first clones of the phenotypes and then grow those outdoors. Is that basically the process?
 
BDGrows

BDGrows

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FishingwithDave said:
If I’m understanding pheno hunting, you’ll start indoors with nine seedlings, then take a clone of each of the nine, veg the plants from seedlings for awhile, flip to flower, harvest and analyze, then take clones from the first clones of the phenotypes and then grow those outdoors. Is that basically the process?
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Everyone's process is different but that is somewhat of the overall gist...
For example, I grow out the seedlings until they're large enough to clone off of (these are called seed mothers and in this example, ill refer to them as S.Mom). I then take a clone and root it(referred to as S.M.Clone), once the S.M. Clone roots, I will then proceed with the growing process... veg, bloom, harvest, cure, etc. All the while keeping the S.Mom in a tent under veg conditions. Once I have found an S.M.Clone that fits what I want out of the cutting (has a good odor profile, bag appeal, potency, yield from rosin extractions, and overall grow time are some of the parameters); I then go back to the original S.Mom and make her my official mother of that cultivar. Some people just grow out their seed stock then either clone or attempt to reveg the plant in order to get a mother from it. Everyones procress is different though, this is just what I've found works for me. Ive been in the situation where I grew some amazing plants, and I couldn't get them to clone for the life of me and they absolutely refused to reveg. So it was a one and done which was a total bummer...
 
Corso312

Corso312

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FishingwithDave said:
If I’m understanding pheno hunting, you’ll start indoors with nine seedlings, then take a clone of each of the nine, veg the plants from seedlings for awhile, flip to flower, harvest and analyze, then take clones from the first clones of the phenotypes and then grow those outdoors. Is that basically the process?
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Pretty much it..except Ill narrow it down to one plant and make that clone a mother and take dozens of clones off her.
 
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FishingwithDave

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BDGrows said:
Everyone's process is different but that is somewhat of the overall gist...
For example, I grow out the seedlings until they're large enough to clone off of (these are called seed mothers and in this example, ill refer to them as S.Mom). I then take a clone and root it(referred to as S.M.Clone), once the S.M. Clone roots, I will then proceed with the growing process... veg, bloom, harvest, cure, etc. All the while keeping the S.Mom in a tent under veg conditions. Once I have found an S.M.Clone that fits what I want out of the cutting (has a good odor profile, bag appeal, potency, yield from rosin extractions, and overall grow time are some of the parameters); I then go back to the original S.Mom and make her my official mother of that cultivar. Some people just grow out their seed stock then either clone or attempt to reveg the plant in order to get a mother from it. Everyones procress is different though, this is just what I've found works for me. Ive been in the situation where I grew some amazing plants, and I couldn't get them to clone for the life of me and they absolutely refused to reveg. So it was a one and done which was a total bummer...
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Thanks BD! Y’all doing this are passionate dedicated growers and must have some good setups.

So I made an assumption that when I started buying seeds from reputable breeders, the seeds would all yield quality buds, excluding the males. (I’m not being critical, just trying to learn.). Is this a bad assumption? Is pheno hunting more about looking for exceptional?
 
BDGrows

BDGrows

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FishingwithDave said:
Thanks BD! Y’all doing this are passionate dedicated growers and must have some good setups.

So I made an assumption that when I started buying seeds from reputable breeders, the seeds would all yield quality buds, excluding the males. (I’m not being critical, just trying to learn.). Is this a bad assumption? Is pheno hunting more about looking for exceptional?
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Depending on the breeder, that's a good assumption to make. Also, something to keep in mind, price does not always dictate quality (@Useful Seeds puts out a damn fine product for ONLY 60$ and you get 10 beans). As for pheno hunting, starting with your first statement, you can actually do it pretty "comfortably" in a 4x4, and I've even seen dudes do it in solo cups in a 2x2, and then expand as your need or wants dictate. And the purpose of pheno hunting varies amongst breeders for me; but in general yes, I am looking for something unique that I like or my clientele would. For example, I've found @Useful Seeds fems to be pretty damn uniform but with slight differences amongst them; and those little differences can really make it shine in my eye. An example would be one of my favorite cuttings that I lost due to the fires was an Appalachian x Bag of Oranges which had this super musky odor on the front, but when ya smoked it, it tasted like orange creamsicles. Absolutely mouth-watering and just produced some donkey dicks. As soon as these Chocolate Skunks pop, I am gonna do a grow log on em (most likely a separate thread as to not clog up this one, but ill post pics here of em) so you can see what I do to pick "my winner" out of the two. And granted, I should pop the whole pack to see what's really in there, but I feel comfortable enough with just 2 beans I can get a decent look into those genetics due to @Useful Seeds ability/gift to keep uniform plants. I'm hoping I find one that is just straight-up funk (like camping sex after you've been in the woods backpacking for 2 weeks w/o a shower) but tastes like chocolate due to that Chocolate D in the mix!
 
meangreengrowinmachine

meangreengrowinmachine

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I have decided my next run is going to be all useful! Going with 6 bag of skunks and oranges, 3 chocolate skunk and 3 chocolate and blueberries. All feminized. I grow all organic build my own soil under cxb3590s, in SIPs. Can't wait! I hope I end up needing another carbon filter in flower from too much skunk!!! Soaking in water and peroxide starting tomorrow, and prepped and made sure my space can be up to temp and humidity in my cold basement today! This will be my first useful grow and I am EXCITED!!!
 
BDGrows

BDGrows

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Just a heads up on those Choc. Skunk #2 beans everyone... I recommend scoring them before ya dunk em or put em in a towel, those shells are tough. I checked my two yesterday as well as today; yesterday neither had popped and today only one barely popped (which is unusual for useful's stuff but common for tough shells in my observations). So the one that hadn't popped I used the "sharpie method" and I won't lie, I squeezed that sumbitch with all my might before I had to use a bit of mechanical advantage to get it to gently open up. Hopefully, by tomorrow evening both of em will have a meristem showing and ill take some pics of the planting.

- BD
 
Kp sunshine

Kp sunshine

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meangreengrowinmachine said:
I have decided my next run is going to be all useful! Going with 6 bag of skunks and oranges, 3 chocolate skunk and 3 chocolate and blueberries. All feminized. I grow all organic build my own soil under cxb3590s, in SIPs. Can't wait! I hope I end up needing another carbon filter in flower from too much skunk!!! Soaking in water and peroxide starting tomorrow, and prepped and made sure my space can be up to temp and humidity in my cold basement today! This will be my first useful grow and I am EXCITED!!!
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My first Useful grow was orange cookie x chocolate diesel. Every plant was vigorous and brought great smell taste and looks. He seems to fly below the radar but I think he likes it. Katsu said he’s putting out the heat and I agree
 
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