kovidkough
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at that point why not get 1 HID lamp lol
WTF am I doing wrong?
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MY OWN DANK
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It was around 11years ago and like my 1st , 2nd, 3rd grow I just used cfls...I eventually upgraded to better lights
kovidkough
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I know I know these set ups just baffle me
nice plants tho
MY OWN DANK
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That set up was a work of art...I dont think you can appreciate the creativity and detail
and calculated bulb placement and splitter configurations that are taking place there...ha
kovidkough
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my brain hurts figuring out your wiring
Frank Warthog
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My first few attempts weren't great (I used miracle gro as well) but I got a bit of smoke and learned a few lessons. As Jahfarmer95 said check out a few YouTube vids for tips etc as these have helped me immensely!
The channels I've found most helpful have been CLTV, Mr Grow it, 420 growers club and for autos Mr Canucks grow and Bill Ward.
Between the above and this forum it's all helped my grow improve a hell of a lot! Just look at the journals in my signature for proof! Still not perfect but heading in the right direction.
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Ulf
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That's the one. Not in the sun and I have neglected to test the runoff pH. Lights are 18".
Ulf
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I put the HPS in yesterday. The problem has been there for a week before that.
Ulf
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I thought maybe leaf temperature was a problem, so I added the HPS. I turned on the second LED when I did so. I will go back to the one LED. It's soil...I promise lol
Ulf
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I'll check out the journals. When you bottom feed, how much water do you use and how often?
Ulf
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I guess what I can't t figure out is how I'm overwatering when I'm doing it the way I've read is right. Maybe I'm not understanding what I read. I water until it begins to run out the bottom of the pot when the top of the soil is dry up to my knuckle. I make sure there is zero moisture from my knuckle to the tip of my finger.
In the past, I've only ever watered when the pot felt damn near empty of water. I never got a sad, saggy plant doing it that way. Saying that makes me believe (for me) the first knuckle method is a bad idea.
I've also only ever started in party cups. The little one in the back is doing the best out of the three.
Different strains = different needs, but why is the big one so sad looking and the shock Trauma so tiny when they are both maintained the same way?
I'm beginning to think I should start over and do it the way I used to.
In the past, I've only ever watered when the pot felt damn near empty of water. I never got a sad, saggy plant doing it that way. Saying that makes me believe (for me) the first knuckle method is a bad idea.
I've also only ever started in party cups. The little one in the back is doing the best out of the three.
Different strains = different needs, but why is the big one so sad looking and the shock Trauma so tiny when they are both maintained the same way?
I'm beginning to think I should start over and do it the way I used to.
Killaki
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BAM this is what I needed to know about your watering. Btw over watering causes clawing, which you don't have going on. You are actually waiting too long between waterings. You don't want the soil to get bone dry you want to allow the topsoil to be moist but not sopping wet for days on end. If it's drying out then your plants are drying out which is why they are cupped up towards the light.
That aside, like I said in my other post that soil is going to slowly feed your plants to death. I would change to something that doesn't have slow release nutrients in it, because as you're already aware they don't need to be fed at this stage.
I would also set the water in the sun just for good measure, and maybe raise the light a smidge. Since the plants are drying out some that is leaving them susceptible to light burn (temperature doesn't necessarily have to get out of hand for light burn to occur). All this is possibly compounded if you're struggling with humidity.
Make sure your pH run off is ok and change up a couple things and I'm sure you'll be doing fine in no time.
Ulf
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I see what you're saying here, but here's the problem.
This morning I watered it, and it looks like this
I get confused about it. If the leaves are cupping that way from too little water, then why do they go straight to limp mode when they get water. It isn't just this time either.
And then there's this. Maybe it's the gateway to understanding what I'm doing wrong. This little guy here
looks like it's starting to want water to me. The cup is still half full weight feeling when I lift it. I normally think "it needs water" and so I do. Then they end up looking like the one above sooner or later.
It's under this light
Killaki
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Because when they're drowning they go limp... Prolonged this will lead to the dreaded clawing. But what's happening for you is it's going from a little drowning to a little dehydrated and getting this yoyo effect. The soil probably doesn't have good enough drainage, which is what you expect from straight out the bag MG. If the soil would drain properly then it wouldn't go limp and then you wouldn't have to wait so much between watering causing top soil to dry too much. It's a drainage thing.
Dude seriously. I'm not trying to be a dick but you have to understand, people here want to help but little bits of info here and there will take for fucking ever. It also doesn't help if you have a counter point to constructive criticism, again we're trying to help not talk shit. That said I hope you're seriously considering changing up the soil. If you refuse to get a diff brand at least add some perlite/vermiculite and increase drainage but don't be surprised if you have over feed issues in veg. And lay it all out there in the original post when asking for help, that way we all know what's up and how to help troubleshoot.
Ulf
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Please understand that I'm not trying to argue or be disrespectful. I come off that way alot, but I swear I'm not trying to. The responses are just me trying to understand. I apologise if it seems otherwise. It's something I struggle with.
I am getting off of the mg, and I assure you that I am pouring over the advise you and the others are giving to me. I will try harder to word my questions and responses better.
I'm going to start over with good soil, more perlite than I've been using, smaller starting containers, adjusting pH and testing runoff to spot issues better, and I will use my starter LEDs until the plants are ready for the 1 gallon pots.
Thank you all for the help. I'm sorry I come off poorly.
Severed Tongue
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Depends on the plant, the room, the temp, the humidity, the light..... it's specific to yours, so my numbers won't really work for you.
My mother's are in 5 gallon fabric pots, 60% filled with soil, they take 8 cups every 3 days atm.
I have clones in 1 gallon fabric pots, 80% filled, 4-5 nodes of growth, 2 cups of water, going 2 weeks and not needing more yet.
You have to read the plant, and yes even 5 clones of the same plant, each one can have its different timings.
@Killaki please provide some data proving "Miracle-Gro will kill your plants," as I cannot find any.
Please look at my Miracle-Gro grown plants and explain why they are not dying?
This one I grew outside last summer, turned out to be a male, but its Miracle-Gro (same as the flowers on my fence) and all I did was water it. That's a 10 gallon pot fyi, and it grew to 5 feet before I chopped it.
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Ulf
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Understood. I realize frequency would be up to how my plants are acting. I was mainly curious about the amount. Would 2 cups for one gallon and 4 cups for 3 gallon be a good baseline to start from? In general I mean.
Ulf
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You're kool dude. The leaves are still cupping up, but they aren't sagging and sad as much. The first set is, but the rest isn't. I'm understanding a little better now.
If you are still up to helping me a bit, can we talk watering from this point?
You said letting the top get dry the way I was doing it should be fixed. How do I determine when it's time to add more water? When you say moist, what are we talking? In my mind, it means kind of like chocolate cake.
Would I be better off taking a more scientific route and weigh the pots wet and dry (I can weigh a dry pot with extra soil I have), then water when it hits a certain weight? I read something that I think said maybe 25% or 35% or 50% of wet weight. I'll find it again to be sure.
I don't want to abandon these plants unless I seriously fuck them up, and I've done worse before and smoked decent bud. I will if I should tho. I have plenty of seeds and am willing to break eggs lol.