dandyrandy
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QAnon Is Destroying the GOP From Within
Until last week, too many in the Republican Party thought they could preach the Constitution and wink at QAnon. They can’t.
Trumps last days in office
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captainmorgan
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Stinky says he wants to raise 2 billion dollars for his presidential library, this from a guy who has a fifth grade reading level. I wonder how much his army of idiots will kick in to his latest money making scam.
topcat
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The reasons to go vegetarian mount.Stinky hates Americans.
NBC News: New Trump rule may allow 'feces, sex organs, toenails, unwanted hair' into pork products
No, this is not a joke. As a sop to agricultural conglomerates always eager to increase their profit margins, the Trump administration has modified Federal USDA rules governing the inspection of pork consumed by Americans. As first reported by NBC...www.dailykos.com
hanimmal
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Jimdamick
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Ya know, that entire fucking inane/insanely absurd concept of a library dedicated to Donald J Trump makes me smile/laugh.
Who the fuck would want/use it?
I know for a fact that it's not welcome in his birthplace, New York.
Think about that
You'd think that would be a given, a library in Queens, NY, honoring a native son.
They fucking HATE HIM!!!!!!
Oh well
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dandyrandy
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Giuliani associate told ex-CIA officer a Trump pardon would 'cost $2m’ – report
John Kiriakou, who was jailed in 2012 for identity leak, said his pursuit of a pardon came up in a meeting with Giuliani last year
www.theguardian.com
Justin-case
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And that's Rudy's price, ouch!Giuliani associate told ex-CIA officer a Trump pardon would 'cost $2m’ – report
John Kiriakou, who was jailed in 2012 for identity leak, said his pursuit of a pardon came up in a meeting with Giuliani last year
hanimmal
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Ill be very disappointed if nothing ever happens to these criminals.
It is funny (not haha-funny, sad-funny) to think about how so many people, (who have been tricked into thinking Trump is a good candidate) felt this same disappointment about the false conspiracies that were manufactured and propagated by the Russian military/Republican-right wing online media pro-Trump/Anti-Clinton(Biden) click bait, Hate Radio weaponized, then picked up and amplified through TV news programs like Fox News/CNN/MSNBC/Local news reporting, about Clinton's supposed crimes.
'But her emails/Hunter'. Give me a fucking break.
It is funny (not haha-funny, sad-funny) to think about how so many people, (who have been tricked into thinking Trump is a good candidate) felt this same disappointment about the false conspiracies that were manufactured and propagated by the Russian military/Republican-right wing online media pro-Trump/Anti-Clinton(Biden) click bait, Hate Radio weaponized, then picked up and amplified through TV news programs like Fox News/CNN/MSNBC/Local news reporting, about Clinton's supposed crimes.
'But her emails/Hunter'. Give me a fucking break.
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DIY-HP-LED
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Let's talk about Trump's impeachment and Biden's first 100 days....
DIY-HP-LED
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Trump approval remains stable in new NBC poll, with Republicans unmoved after Capitol violence
Eighty-seven percent of Republicans approve of how Trump is doing his job in a new NBC News poll, but half of all voters say he is "definitely worse than most" presidents.
Trump approval remains stable in new NBC poll, with Republicans unmoved after Capitol violence
Eighty-seven percent of Republicans approve of how Trump is doing his job in a new NBC News poll, but half of all voters say Trump is "definitely worse than most" presidents.
WASHINGTON — Donald Trump is the only president in U.S. history to be impeached twice — this time for his role in inciting a deadly assault on the Capitol by his supporters — but he is still poised to leave office with a job approval rating that is fairly typical of his entire time in office.
A new NBC News poll found that 43 percent of voters nationwide gave Trump a positive job approval rating, just barely down from 45 percent who said the same before the November election and the 44 percent who approved of his performance shortly after he took office in 2017.
The same poll found that 35 percent of voters — including 74 percent of Republicans but just 30 percent of independents and 3 percent of Democrats — believe that President-elect Joe Biden did not win the 2020 election legitimately.
Sixty-one percent of all voters — but just 21 percent of Republicans — say Biden did win legitimately.
While a record 10 House Republicans broke ranks to vote for the president's impeachment last week, Trump’s approval rating among Republicans in the poll shows few signs that GOP voters are widely disillusioned with the president.
Almost 9-in-10 Republicans — 87 percent — give Trump a thumbs-up, compared with 89 percent who said the same before the November election.
And even for the half of Republicans who say they prioritize the GOP generally over allegiance to Trump, his high approval remains unmoved by recent events.
Among Republicans who say their primary loyalty is to Trump over the party, 98 percent approve of his performance. For those who say they prioritize the party over the president, his approval still stands at 81 percent — virtually unchanged from October 2020. (These findings contrast with some other recent national polls showing Trump’s job rating lower. Unlike other surveys that sampled all U.S. adults, NBC’s poll surveyed registered voters.)
In the NBC survey, nearly a third of GOP voters surveyed — 28 percent — said that Trump’s words and actions related to the violence at the Capitol on Jan. 6 actually reinforced their vote for Trump.
Just 5 percent said they now regretted their support for him, and fully two-thirds — 66 percent — said their feelings about Trump had not changed.
While 52 percent of voters overall say that Trump is solely or mainly responsible for the protests that led to rioters overtaking the Capitol, including 91 percent of Democrats and 44 percent of independents, just 11 percent of Republicans agree. (About half of Republicans, though, place responsibility on “social media companies” and “Antifa.”)
“While a few Republican elected officials have broken with Trump, Republican voters are sticking with him for now,” said Democratic pollster Jeff Horwitt of Hart Research, who conducted the poll along with Republican pollster Bill McInturff of Public Opinion Strategies. “As we’ve seen over the course of his term, major event after major event does little to shake Trump’s standing with Republicans.”
Trump’s standing among those outside the GOP remains similarly unchanged. He gets a positive job assessment from 44 percent of independents and just 5 percent of Democrats in the latest poll, shares that are also nearly identical to pre-election surveys.
Previous NBC polling has indeed found Trump’s approval among voters to be remarkably stable despite his tumultuous presidency, fluctuating only between a high of 47 percent and a low of 38 percent.
The latter rating came in late 2017, after Trump was widely criticized for his response to violence after a gathering of white supremacists in Charlottesville, Virginia.
Half of voters call Trump “worst than most” presidents
About half of the electorate — 49 percent of voters — ranks Trump as “definitely worse than most” presidents, a share recently rivaled only by the 48 percent who said the same of departing President George W. Bush in late 2008.
DIY-HP-LED
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Impeachment alone does not remove Trump’s benefits | Fact Check (afp.com)
Impeachment alone does not remove Trump’s benefits
Social media posts shared thousands of times claim that Donald Trump’s second impeachment means he loses a substantial pension, a travel allowance, Secret Service protection, and the “ability to run in 2024.” This is false; experts say none of the claimed consequences would apply without further action by the Senate, and that he is entitled to Secret Service protection regardless.
“For those wondering if it’s worth impeaching him this time, it means he:
1) loses his 200k+ pension for the rest of his life
2) loses his 1 million dollar/year travel allowance
3) loses lifetime full secret service detail
4) loses his ability to run in 2024,” reads a January 8, 2021 Facebook post shared 14,000 times.
Screenshot of a Facebook post taken on January 13, 2021
The post contains a screenshot of a tweet that has since been deleted. More posts are available on Facebook here and here and on Instagram here and here.
The president’s supporters stormed a session of Congress held on January 6 to certify Joe Biden’s victory in the 2020 election, which Trump repeatedly and falsely claimed was plagued by widespread fraud, including in a speech shortly before the breach of the Capitol. The unrest led to the deaths of five people.
Lawmakers later reconvened and voted to formally certify Biden’s win.
The Democrat-controlled House of Representatives impeached Trump, for a second time, on January 13 with support from 10 Republicans on the charge of "incitement of insurrection."
The Republican-controlled Senate, however, is in recess until January 19, and its leadership says there is no way to rush through an impeachment trial before Biden takes over the following day.
This means that Trump, who was acquitted in the Senate last year after his first impeachment, would not be forced out of office early.
The US Senate website outlines the Constitutional process for impeachment. It gives the House of Representatives "the sole Power of Impeachment" and the Senate the power to “try all Impeachments.”
The accused can only be convicted with a two-thirds vote of the Senate, whose composition in the new term will be evenly split between Republicans and Democrats. Vice-President Kamala Harris will have the power to cast a tie-breaking vote.
Senator Chuck Schumer, who is expected to become the Senate majority leader, vowed that the chamber will proceed with a trial, even though Trump will no longer be in office.
The Former Presidents Act spells out the benefits ex-leaders are entitled to after leaving office, but notes that those removed from office through impeachment are not covered.
“As used in this section, the term ‘former President’ means a person… whose service in such office shall have terminated other than by removal pursuant to section 4 of article II of the Constitution of the United States of America,” it says.
Matthew Dallek, professor at George Washington University’s Graduate School of Political Management, confirmed in an email: “Trump only loses those things -- the consequences only kick in -- if he is convicted in the Senate. My understanding is that just being impeached in the House without conviction in the Senate has no formal consequences.”
Below, AFP Fact Check compares the social media claims with the law.
Pension
“For those wondering if it’s worth impeaching him this time, it means he: 1) loses his 200k+ pension for the rest of his life,” the posts claim.
The Former Presidents Act allots each ex-president a yearly allowance paid monthly that is equal to that of an executive department head -- the departments are listed here -- and the highest level does amount to more than $200,000 per year.
Trump would still be entitled to the sum, according to University of Chicago Law School Professor Daniel Hemel.
“A former president does not lose his post-presidential pension unless he is impeached and convicted *while in office.* If he is convicted after January 20, he remains eligible for his pension,” Hemel said in an email.
Travel Allowance
The social media posts also claim that an impeached Trump would lose a $1 million per year travel allowance following his presidency.
The Former Presidents Act says up to $1 million is available “for security and travel related expenses” to former presidents as an alternative to Secret Service protection.
Security detail
A 2013 measure ensures “Secret Service protection for former Presidents and their spouses and children… except that protection of a spouse shall terminate in the event of remarriage.”
Allan Lichtman, US history professor at American University, confirmed by email that Trump will retain lifetime Secret Service detail, should he choose to, regardless of whether he is impeached and removed.
University of Utah political science Assistant Professor James Curry agreed.
“My understanding is that an impeached and removed president loses their former-president benefits, with the exception of the security detail, which they keep,” he said in an email.
Ban from holding office
The penalty for an impeached official upon conviction is removal from office, and social media posts claim that, if impeached, Trump “loses his ability to run in 2024.”
However, that penalty cannot be imposed upon a president without conviction in the Senate and a subsequent extra vote barring him from office.
The Constitution says the following:
“Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.”
The Senate website adds: “In some cases, the Senate has also disqualified such officials from holding public offices in the future.”
Trump has talked of running again in 2024. He is now the only president in US history to be impeached twice.
This fact check is available at IFCN’s 2020 US Elections FactChat #Chatbot on WhatsApp. Click here for more.
Impeachment alone does not remove Trump’s benefits
Social media posts shared thousands of times claim that Donald Trump’s second impeachment means he loses a substantial pension, a travel allowance, Secret Service protection, and the “ability to run in 2024.” This is false; experts say none of the claimed consequences would apply without further action by the Senate, and that he is entitled to Secret Service protection regardless.
“For those wondering if it’s worth impeaching him this time, it means he:
1) loses his 200k+ pension for the rest of his life
2) loses his 1 million dollar/year travel allowance
3) loses lifetime full secret service detail
4) loses his ability to run in 2024,” reads a January 8, 2021 Facebook post shared 14,000 times.
Screenshot of a Facebook post taken on January 13, 2021
The post contains a screenshot of a tweet that has since been deleted. More posts are available on Facebook here and here and on Instagram here and here.
The president’s supporters stormed a session of Congress held on January 6 to certify Joe Biden’s victory in the 2020 election, which Trump repeatedly and falsely claimed was plagued by widespread fraud, including in a speech shortly before the breach of the Capitol. The unrest led to the deaths of five people.
Lawmakers later reconvened and voted to formally certify Biden’s win.
The Democrat-controlled House of Representatives impeached Trump, for a second time, on January 13 with support from 10 Republicans on the charge of "incitement of insurrection."
The Republican-controlled Senate, however, is in recess until January 19, and its leadership says there is no way to rush through an impeachment trial before Biden takes over the following day.
This means that Trump, who was acquitted in the Senate last year after his first impeachment, would not be forced out of office early.
The US Senate website outlines the Constitutional process for impeachment. It gives the House of Representatives "the sole Power of Impeachment" and the Senate the power to “try all Impeachments.”
The accused can only be convicted with a two-thirds vote of the Senate, whose composition in the new term will be evenly split between Republicans and Democrats. Vice-President Kamala Harris will have the power to cast a tie-breaking vote.
Senator Chuck Schumer, who is expected to become the Senate majority leader, vowed that the chamber will proceed with a trial, even though Trump will no longer be in office.
The Former Presidents Act spells out the benefits ex-leaders are entitled to after leaving office, but notes that those removed from office through impeachment are not covered.
“As used in this section, the term ‘former President’ means a person… whose service in such office shall have terminated other than by removal pursuant to section 4 of article II of the Constitution of the United States of America,” it says.
Matthew Dallek, professor at George Washington University’s Graduate School of Political Management, confirmed in an email: “Trump only loses those things -- the consequences only kick in -- if he is convicted in the Senate. My understanding is that just being impeached in the House without conviction in the Senate has no formal consequences.”
Below, AFP Fact Check compares the social media claims with the law.
Pension
“For those wondering if it’s worth impeaching him this time, it means he: 1) loses his 200k+ pension for the rest of his life,” the posts claim.
The Former Presidents Act allots each ex-president a yearly allowance paid monthly that is equal to that of an executive department head -- the departments are listed here -- and the highest level does amount to more than $200,000 per year.
Trump would still be entitled to the sum, according to University of Chicago Law School Professor Daniel Hemel.
“A former president does not lose his post-presidential pension unless he is impeached and convicted *while in office.* If he is convicted after January 20, he remains eligible for his pension,” Hemel said in an email.
Travel Allowance
The social media posts also claim that an impeached Trump would lose a $1 million per year travel allowance following his presidency.
The Former Presidents Act says up to $1 million is available “for security and travel related expenses” to former presidents as an alternative to Secret Service protection.
Security detail
A 2013 measure ensures “Secret Service protection for former Presidents and their spouses and children… except that protection of a spouse shall terminate in the event of remarriage.”
Allan Lichtman, US history professor at American University, confirmed by email that Trump will retain lifetime Secret Service detail, should he choose to, regardless of whether he is impeached and removed.
University of Utah political science Assistant Professor James Curry agreed.
“My understanding is that an impeached and removed president loses their former-president benefits, with the exception of the security detail, which they keep,” he said in an email.
Ban from holding office
The penalty for an impeached official upon conviction is removal from office, and social media posts claim that, if impeached, Trump “loses his ability to run in 2024.”
However, that penalty cannot be imposed upon a president without conviction in the Senate and a subsequent extra vote barring him from office.
The Constitution says the following:
“Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.”
The Senate website adds: “In some cases, the Senate has also disqualified such officials from holding public offices in the future.”
Trump has talked of running again in 2024. He is now the only president in US history to be impeached twice.
This fact check is available at IFCN’s 2020 US Elections FactChat #Chatbot on WhatsApp. Click here for more.
VILEPLUME
Well-Known Member
America knows how to take care of the corrupt rich, wow.Impeachment alone does not remove Trump’s benefits | Fact Check (afp.com)
Impeachment alone does not remove Trump’s benefits
Social media posts shared thousands of times claim that Donald Trump’s second impeachment means he loses a substantial pension, a travel allowance, Secret Service protection, and the “ability to run in 2024.” This is false; experts say none of the claimed consequences would apply without further action by the Senate, and that he is entitled to Secret Service protection regardless.
“For those wondering if it’s worth impeaching him this time, it means he:
1) loses his 200k+ pension for the rest of his life
2) loses his 1 million dollar/year travel allowance
3) loses lifetime full secret service detail
4) loses his ability to run in 2024,” reads a January 8, 2021 Facebook post shared 14,000 times.
Screenshot of a Facebook post taken on January 13, 2021
The post contains a screenshot of a tweet that has since been deleted. More posts are available on Facebook here and here and on Instagram here and here.
The president’s supporters stormed a session of Congress held on January 6 to certify Joe Biden’s victory in the 2020 election, which Trump repeatedly and falsely claimed was plagued by widespread fraud, including in a speech shortly before the breach of the Capitol. The unrest led to the deaths of five people.
Lawmakers later reconvened and voted to formally certify Biden’s win.
The Democrat-controlled House of Representatives impeached Trump, for a second time, on January 13 with support from 10 Republicans on the charge of "incitement of insurrection."
The Republican-controlled Senate, however, is in recess until January 19, and its leadership says there is no way to rush through an impeachment trial before Biden takes over the following day.
This means that Trump, who was acquitted in the Senate last year after his first impeachment, would not be forced out of office early.
The US Senate website outlines the Constitutional process for impeachment. It gives the House of Representatives "the sole Power of Impeachment" and the Senate the power to “try all Impeachments.”
The accused can only be convicted with a two-thirds vote of the Senate, whose composition in the new term will be evenly split between Republicans and Democrats. Vice-President Kamala Harris will have the power to cast a tie-breaking vote.
Senator Chuck Schumer, who is expected to become the Senate majority leader, vowed that the chamber will proceed with a trial, even though Trump will no longer be in office.
The Former Presidents Act spells out the benefits ex-leaders are entitled to after leaving office, but notes that those removed from office through impeachment are not covered.
“As used in this section, the term ‘former President’ means a person… whose service in such office shall have terminated other than by removal pursuant to section 4 of article II of the Constitution of the United States of America,” it says.
Matthew Dallek, professor at George Washington University’s Graduate School of Political Management, confirmed in an email: “Trump only loses those things -- the consequences only kick in -- if he is convicted in the Senate. My understanding is that just being impeached in the House without conviction in the Senate has no formal consequences.”
Below, AFP Fact Check compares the social media claims with the law.
Pension
“For those wondering if it’s worth impeaching him this time, it means he: 1) loses his 200k+ pension for the rest of his life,” the posts claim.
The Former Presidents Act allots each ex-president a yearly allowance paid monthly that is equal to that of an executive department head -- the departments are listed here -- and the highest level does amount to more than $200,000 per year.
Trump would still be entitled to the sum, according to University of Chicago Law School Professor Daniel Hemel.
“A former president does not lose his post-presidential pension unless he is impeached and convicted *while in office.* If he is convicted after January 20, he remains eligible for his pension,” Hemel said in an email.
Travel Allowance
The social media posts also claim that an impeached Trump would lose a $1 million per year travel allowance following his presidency.
The Former Presidents Act says up to $1 million is available “for security and travel related expenses” to former presidents as an alternative to Secret Service protection.
Security detail
A 2013 measure ensures “Secret Service protection for former Presidents and their spouses and children… except that protection of a spouse shall terminate in the event of remarriage.”
Allan Lichtman, US history professor at American University, confirmed by email that Trump will retain lifetime Secret Service detail, should he choose to, regardless of whether he is impeached and removed.
University of Utah political science Assistant Professor James Curry agreed.
“My understanding is that an impeached and removed president loses their former-president benefits, with the exception of the security detail, which they keep,” he said in an email.
Ban from holding office
The penalty for an impeached official upon conviction is removal from office, and social media posts claim that, if impeached, Trump “loses his ability to run in 2024.”
However, that penalty cannot be imposed upon a president without conviction in the Senate and a subsequent extra vote barring him from office.
The Constitution says the following:
“Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.”
The Senate website adds: “In some cases, the Senate has also disqualified such officials from holding public offices in the future.”
Trump has talked of running again in 2024. He is now the only president in US history to be impeached twice.
This fact check is available at IFCN’s 2020 US Elections FactChat #Chatbot on WhatsApp. Click here for more.
hanimmal
Well-Known Member
Dude who do you think has been making the laws for the last 244 years in America? Well aside from 6 (maybe I don't know much about the Democratic party in Carter's first 2 years) years that Democrats have had the ability to legislate on the federal level.
topcat
Well-Known Member
And we get a Justice Dept. that has ethics, morals and a sense of duty.
guitarguy10
Well-Known Member
Maybe this last 4 years of misery has been for a reason. His ineptitude and corruption led to the state of Georgia's Senate turning blue and turning control of executive branch and both legislative house and senate branches to the Democrats so now they might be able to get something done .. maybe?
DIY-HP-LED
Well-Known Member
#56: IF THE ARMY NOW WARNS OF AN "INSIDER ATTACK," WHY NOT INAUGURATE VIRTUALLY?
"U.S. defense officials," began the Associated Press report late Sunday night, "say they are worried about an insider attack or other threat from service members involved in securing President-elect Joe Biden’s inauguration, prompting the FBI to vet all of the 25,000 National Guard troops coming into Washington for the event."
Excuse me?
If Trump's Secretary of the Army is worried enough about rogue Guardsmen to go on the record with the AP, and leak to The Washington Post, about the risk that someone inside all these defenses could be a traitor intent on wreaking havoc with the inauguration, why aren't we conducting it virtually?
The inauguration is for show anyway, and all that 99% of Americans would see under ordinary circumstances can be safely conducted online. Save the loyal Guardsmen out of the 25,000 -- and the celebration -- for rounding up and charging Trump's Traitors, the QAnon cultists, the election deniers, and the treasonous Republican Congressmen, Senators, and other fascists.
"U.S. defense officials," began the Associated Press report late Sunday night, "say they are worried about an insider attack or other threat from service members involved in securing President-elect Joe Biden’s inauguration, prompting the FBI to vet all of the 25,000 National Guard troops coming into Washington for the event."
Excuse me?
If Trump's Secretary of the Army is worried enough about rogue Guardsmen to go on the record with the AP, and leak to The Washington Post, about the risk that someone inside all these defenses could be a traitor intent on wreaking havoc with the inauguration, why aren't we conducting it virtually?
The inauguration is for show anyway, and all that 99% of Americans would see under ordinary circumstances can be safely conducted online. Save the loyal Guardsmen out of the 25,000 -- and the celebration -- for rounding up and charging Trump's Traitors, the QAnon cultists, the election deniers, and the treasonous Republican Congressmen, Senators, and other fascists.
VILEPLUME
Well-Known Member
Good point. Could it be taken one step further in saying that Trump "woke" people up and made them pay attention to how America was fucking them? Like if Hilary won, would a nation wide $15/hr minimum wage be on the table in 2021?