Oh yea your definitely correct a lot of breeders have moved to Spain to make seeds as it’s kinda legal over there. A few from the uk like ugorg have moved to either Spain or Ibiza or somewhere similar to breed as the uk is just bait as fuck and you can easily loose your whole library so Spain is a safe place to do it and it was easy to move to before brexit at least.
But it also means it’s a safe place for certain people to set up large scale farms specifically for breeding large amounts of seeds in the millions to then be sold on to be relabelled etc. Then these seeds are sold onto other people who then pretend the seeds are their own strains and start up a seedbank and pose as a breeder. Whilst a lot won’t actually state they breed so are not really lying as such they don’t tell you where their seeds are actually sourced from so let you think they do the work themselves etc. So there’s likely a lot of companies people assume are breeders who all get their seeds from the same few other companies who own all the farms. I wouldn’t be surprised if DNA (for example) owns a massive number of these seed farms and sell their strains out to others etc etc to be renamed. maybe dna don’t own them but hire them out to make their own strains and that’s how some others do it too they handed them their genetic library and said to make them the seeds which then get sold out to more than just DNA for example or they have a few strains that are specific to that brand and then a load of others that get renamed and sent elsewhere etc . I don’t know who the owners of the farms are but may be with some digging we could actually find out and see how deep the rabbit whole goes. I already do know it goes quit fucking deep tho.
But yes there are most certainly a lot of legit breeders out in Spain. But also a lot of shady bulk seed makers doing the work for others behind the scenes.
I just wanna add this isn’t the same as a breeder employing someone else or hiring a farm to do their breeding work for them or help them out etc lots of breeders do that and it’s perfectly fine.
This is much much bigger it amounts to say half the “breeders” or selections listed on a site like attitude effectively coming from the same handful of farms in Spain/eu. They all buy their seeds in bulk from these farms and relable and repackage them as their own brand/strains. It’s basically fraud to some extent.
There a is a collective or a investment group that most big companies are part of. Mike J from peakseedsbc sent out an email a year or two ago mentioning that collective asked him to join/sell his brand name to them.
I believe its DNA, reserva privada, delicious, sensi etc...
Most of the European seeds vendors/breeders get seeds from bulk growers. The Spanish farms get the company's genetics then supplies the seeds. If you buy a bunch of white widow seeds from world of seeds, seedsman, sensi etc you'll probably find they're the same seed stock.
