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MICHI-CAN

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And first order of biden is to begin fucking canada
They been importing and burying your trash in my state for how long?? Oh that's not in your educational system. My bad. But really. Your felons can to the USA. My 20+ year old DUI bans me. Hit feeling lucky again guys. I love my Chinese Canadian bacon. But why all the outsiders in our governance?
 

Kdoggy

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They been importing and burying your trash in my state for how long?? Oh that's not in your educational system. My bad. But really. Your felons can to the USA. My 20+ year old DUI bans me. Hit feeling lucky again guys. I love my Chinese Canadian bacon. But why all the outsiders in our governance?
Lol your governance please multinational companies own every country ask australia... i bet if you actually broke down the canadian stock market we are owned by usa and foreign nationals. Usa and china owns the oil sands that dirty oil you all seem to love to hate haha. We are bonded as one weather or not you like it its just political postering as usual and then backdoor deals will happen.
 

MICHI-CAN

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Lol your governance please multinational companies own every country ask australia... i bet if you actually broke down the canadian stock market we are owned by usa and foreign nationals. Usa and china owns the oil sands that dirty oil you all seem to love to hate haha. We are bonded as one weather or not you like it its just political postering as usual and then backdoor deals will happen.
I apologize for my generalized characterization of you. Amillion before two thing. But still bigger than that and noone gets it. Nationalism and patriotism. Just a disgruntled tax payer at the end of the military gun. "25,000 combat ready troops" Not a single civilian.
 

hanimmal

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I didn't say that it "didn't happen to the left". I said that was the conclusion this one expert found.
Fair enough, I definantly shouldn't have said 'didn't'. I read about that guy before, it is a really interesting (and important) insight into the right wing propaganda machine.

It is a fact that some personality types do not react strongly to fake news and propaganda while others do. I'm not completely on board with this guy's theories but he does have strong data to show that people who show high acceptance of authoritarian leadership are much more likely to accept fake news that supports their leadership.


Characteristic that are strongly associated with Right Wing Authoritarians:
  1. They are easily duped by manipulators who pretend to espouse their causes when all the con-artists really want is personal gain.
He claims that the kind of propaganda Putin and Republican propagandists put out is particularly useful to motivate authoritarian followers and not so useful on those to are anti-authoritarian.

Another paper that I've just started to review claims there are left and right wing authoritarians who have common personality traits with each other. So the problem may not be associated with left and right political adherents rather that the personality types of certain people, some of whom are on the political left and some of whom are on the political right.

I completely agree with what you are saying here. I first heard about this with people that are religious. Maybe it has something with putting your absolute trust in something else it makes it easier to do again. IDK, it is very interesting stuff though.


This is why it is important to understand the real time manipulation of this attack. Instead of trying to trick people with 'fake news' on the left, you highlight the stories that will act as a trigger when it is brought up to their cult family members who are brainwashed into thinking Trump is a good idea for POTUS.

For example, while also looking at the statistics from data behind how many posts/when it takes to brainwash someone to disinformation, look also at the percent of males over the age of 50 without a college education exposure to college age women. Then with the social media data mining real time analysis all the people who are going to thanksgiving with a college educated female you push both of them stories about Kavanaugh. This way when the holidays are going on and people are talking about politics/how shit of a job Trump has been doing, the cultist gets to bring up a hot button issue and it triggers the very real attack from the college educated female, and everyone shuts down. And that cultists bubble doesn't burst. And the person who is most likely able to help the rest of the family understand the problem is further alienated leaving the cultist to spew the propaganda they read/hear nonstop.

And that is very easily programmed and automated using easily gotten Facebook data.



That is not something that would necessarily show up in data that I have seen people talking about.
 

printer

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They been importing and burying your trash in my state for how long?? Oh that's not in your educational system. My bad. But really. Your felons can to the USA. My 20+ year old DUI bans me. Hit feeling lucky again guys. I love my Chinese Canadian bacon. But why all the outsiders in our governance?
We infiltrated your entertainment industry and now manipulating your political system. We play the long game. You know that Harris is the product of the Canadian school system? And even more insidious,

 

MICHI-CAN

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We infiltrated your entertainment industry and now manipulating your political system. We play the long game. You know that Harris is the product of the Canadian school system? And even more insidious,

You were infiltrated and molested long before that. But yes.

2000 years to indoctrinate into volunteer submission for masters. Be a few before we get out and try a theoretical of promise.

What happened to I'm only as good as my neighbors is? Hell! Who knows their neighbors or can actually associate with them?
 

CunningCanuk

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Lol your governance please multinational companies own every country ask australia... i bet if you actually broke down the canadian stock market we are owned by usa and foreign nationals. Usa and china owns the oil sands that dirty oil you all seem to love to hate haha. We are bonded as one weather or not you like it its just political postering as usual and then backdoor deals will happen.
What does the weather have to do with anything?
 

Fogdog

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Fair enough, I definantly shouldn't have said 'didn't'. I read about that guy before, it is a really interesting (and important) insight into the right wing propaganda machine.


I completely agree with what you are saying here. I first heard about this with people that are religious. Maybe it has something with putting your absolute trust in something else it makes it easier to do again. IDK, it is very interesting stuff though.


This is why it is important to understand the real time manipulation of this attack. Instead of trying to trick people with 'fake news' on the left, you highlight the stories that will act as a trigger when it is brought up to their cult family members who are brainwashed into thinking Trump is a good idea for POTUS.

For example, while also looking at the statistics from data behind how many posts/when it takes to brainwash someone to disinformation, look also at the percent of males over the age of 50 without a college education exposure to college age women. Then with the social media data mining real time analysis all the people who are going to thanksgiving with a college educated female you push both of them stories about Kavanaugh. This way when the holidays are going on and people are talking about politics/how shit of a job Trump has been doing, the cultist gets to bring up a hot button issue and it triggers the very real attack from the college educated female, and everyone shuts down. And that cultists bubble doesn't burst. And the person who is most likely able to help the rest of the family understand the problem is further alienated leaving the cultist to spew the propaganda they read/hear nonstop.

And that is very easily programmed and automated using easily gotten Facebook data.



That is not something that would necessarily show up in data that I have seen people talking about.
A point of contention that I've had with earlier posts from you on this subject is your willingness to ascribe ALL protests as being motivated by Putin's psy ops campaign against the US. You called those kids in Portland "brainwashed" (I assume) by Putin. I pointed out that there is still a valid reason for protesting against fascism on our police force and I don't think Putin had much if anything to do with their pathetic little walk about and smashing windows of the Democratic Party office building in Portland.

I'm looking for a better model than Altemeyer's because his model doesn't account for left wing authoritarians, just right wing authoritarians. With that in mind, bear with me while I use his model. Republican Party has become the Authoritarian Party. Not just under Trump but going back to the 1990's, behavioral surveys based upon Altemeyer's ranked order authoritarian scale showed the Republican Party's leaders and their followers were already very authoritarian leaning. Authoritarian Right followers demonstrate a host of common traits that make them particularly susceptible to the kinds of propaganda put forth by Putin and US domestic purveyors of propaganda, fake news and false beliefs. Also ethnic racism, also mean spirited behavior, also aggression and violence.

Antiauthoritarian people look for reasons why they should do something while the authoritarian right will take the word of their leader as all they need to know. So, getting back to the broad brush you paint over all protest. Putin's propaganda is not effective on all types of people but does affect Trump's followers strongly. There is an authoritarian left and they also compartmentalize, hold contradicting ideas and act according to their leader's demands without much more reasoning needed. They are susceptible too. But the millions who attended the Women's march in 2017 and voiced valid, facts based reasons for protest? That's a bridge too far.
 
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Fogdog

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Putin didn’t make dumb obese rednecks storm the Capitol, that was due to Americans with low IQ and gunz who believed q anon and Trump’s narrative.
They aren't stupid. Feels like it from outside their circle, I can agree with that.
 

hanimmal

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A point of contention that I've had with earlier posts from you on this subject is your willingness to ascribe ALL protests as being motivated by Putin's psy ops campaign against the US.
I don't like it when people put words in my mouth, it makes me question their motivations.

"All (insert x) being motivated by (insert y)" is not something I have ever said, and in fact have tried very hard with even the last few posts here to explain. And yet here you are pushing this lie on me once again.


We can never say "ALL" on anything. That uncertainty is the reason why these trolling attacks work so well with people that cannot understand this fact. This is why I think it would be helpful for more people to learn the math behind statistics and probability. Any individual observation is impossible to say 'all' or 'will happen' about it.

You called those kids in Portland "brainwashed" (I assume) by Putin. I pointed out that there is still a valid reason for protesting against fascism on our police force and I don't think Putin had much if anything to do with their pathetic little walk about and smashing windows of the Democratic Party office building in Portland.
Putin, Epoch Times, propagandists on the Hill and other tabloids, progressives, Trump trolls cat fishing as left troll progressives, Bernie's propaganda, bad actors funding micro donations for propaganda content to be constructed on youtube, on and on. The attack that uses lies and lacks nuance to confuse people to the point that they can't see the very real differences between the Democratic presidents and Trump/Republicans over the last 50+ years.

To think that any and all of it hasn't warped minds of people when they push the very propaganda that we know has been pushed by trolls here on RIU, is just not logical.

I'm looking for a better model than Altemeyer's because his model doesn't account for left wing authoritarians, just right wing authoritarians. With that in mind, bear with me while I use his model. Republican Party has become the Authoritarian Party. Not just under Trump but going back to the 1990's, behavioral surveys based upon Altemeyer's ranked order authoritarian scale showed the Republican Party's leaders and their followers were already very authoritarian leaning. Authoritarian Right followers demonstrate a host of common traits that make them particularly susceptible to the kinds of propaganda put forth by Putin and US domestic purveyors of propaganda, fake news and false beliefs. Also ethnic racism, also mean spirited behavior, also aggression and violence.

Antiauthoritarian people look for reasons why they should do something while the authoritarian right will take the word of their leader as all they need to know.
I can buy into that being a accurate description of the Republicans.

So, getting back to the broad brush you paint over all protest.
I think you stopped actually trying to understand what I have been saying a long time ago with your continued lack of nuance in what I have always been saying and are trolling me with your false narrative of what I have been describing.

Putin's propaganda is not effective on all types of people but does affect Trump's followers strongly.
I think that this is naive and a dangerous stance to take.

Humans are very prone to this attack. Thinking someone is in a group that this attack is 'not effective' against is just not reality.

There is an authoritarian left and they also compartmentalize, hold contradicting ideas and act according to their leader's demands without much more reasoning needed. They are susceptible too. But the millions who attended the Women's march in 2017 and voiced valid, facts based reasons for protest? That's a bridge too far.
Like I had said, I would guess that the vast majority of those women have had experiences in their lives that show them the very sad reality of our world's male population mistreatment of women. The entire lead up to the elections in 2016 this was being exploited over and over again in the attack on Hilary Clinton.

And that very real trauma was what was used and amplified by the Kavanaugh troll on our society (Mid to late September 2018). I would actually really like to get information about the 'leaking' that occurred during the hearings and if they came from Trump to enrage women to come out in November and sweep in a bunch of foils (AOC, Omar, etc) for his and Fox News and the online propaganda machine's (foreign and domestic) to use over and over again while trying to scare America to vote in a Republican sweep in the 2020 elections.
 

Fogdog

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I don't like it when people put words in my mouth, it makes me question their motivations.

"All (insert x) being motivated by (insert y)" is not something I have ever said, and in fact have tried very hard with even the last few posts here to explain. And yet here you are pushing this lie on me once again.


We can never say "ALL" on anything. That uncertainty is the reason why these trolling attacks work so well with people that cannot understand this fact. This is why I think it would be helpful for more people to learn the math behind statistics and probability. Any individual observation is impossible to say 'all' or 'will happen' about it.


Putin, Epoch Times, propagandists on the Hill and other tabloids, progressives, Trump trolls cat fishing as left troll progressives, Bernie's propaganda, bad actors funding micro donations for propaganda content to be constructed on youtube, on and on. The attack that uses lies and lacks nuance to confuse people to the point that they can't see the very real differences between the Democratic presidents and Trump/Republicans over the last 50+ years.

To think that any and all of it hasn't warped minds of people when they push the very propaganda that we know has been pushed by trolls here on RIU, is just not logical.


I can buy into that being a accurate description of the Republicans.


I think you stopped actually trying to understand what I have been saying a long time ago with your continued lack of nuance in what I have always been saying and are trolling me with your false narrative of what I have been describing.


I think that this is naive and a dangerous stance to take.

Humans are very prone to this attack. Thinking someone is in a group that this attack is 'not effective' against is just not reality.

Like I had said, I would guess that the vast majority of those women have had experiences in their lives that show them the very sad reality of our world's male population mistreatment of women. The entire lead up to the elections in 2016 this was being exploited over and over again in the attack on Hilary Clinton.

And that very real trauma was what was used and amplified by the Kavanaugh troll on our society (Mid to late September 2018). I would actually really like to get information about the 'leaking' that occurred during the hearings and if they came from Trump to enrage women to come out in November and sweep in a bunch of foils (AOC, Omar, etc) for his and Fox News and the online propaganda machine's (foreign and domestic) to use over and over again while trying to scare America to vote in a Republican sweep in the 2020 elections.
OK then, virtually all. But yes, ALL has been your drumbeat. You went off the rails when that ridiculous parade of black clad kids broke some windows and you called them brainwashed. Brainwashed by who? Putin?
 

hanimmal

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OK then, virtually all. But yes, ALL has been your drumbeat. You went off the rails when that ridiculous parade of black clad kids broke some windows and you called them brainwashed. Brainwashed by who? Putin?
You are just trolling me now right?

It is so hard to tell sometimes.

You are pretending like I have all those brainwashed kids regurgitating troll logic's data, and can tell you when, how, and by who they were each programed to believe the big lies they were spouting like it was truth. I don't. I would love to play around with that data, but I don't have it so I can't.

Shit I can't even tell which trolls here are paid by whom most the time.

But we do know that in 2016 over 200 million American's were under attack by the Russian military.

And we also know that in the same year Cambridge Analytica bragged about having over 5000 data points on almost "ALL" American's to use as part of their political propaganda campaign.
 
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