2022 elections. The steady march for sanity continues.

hanimmal

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Things are looking good right now for Biden becoming president until 2024, but the senate will still be in the hands of the "Grim Reaper" Moscow Mitch McConnell, who made it is goal to make Obama a one-term president, and stole Obama's ability to appoint judges or pass legislation for years.

Us Americans can change this in 2022 but voting out the Republican senators. Only then can things about the unlimited dark money flowing around our elections, fixes to our healthcare system, and everything else we need as a nation be worked on.

Here is the list of the 2022 senate seats up for election:

https://ballotpedia.org/United_States_Senate_elections,_2022
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Hopefully we can get some great candidates and have a unimpeded and non-propagandized election in 2022 and finally after 6 years of stopping Obama's ability to legislate, 4 years of Trump, and what will likely be 2 years of Republican obstruction of Biden's agenda, start to get back to work as a nation.
 

hanimmal

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The house is JV. They may be the ones that would have to bring the articles, however The senate is where it matters and all’s good there.

Anyone that thinks the next 4 will be different/ better government wise is a fool with their head in the sand. Nothing will get done either direction in the next 4.
House hearings are no joke. When you have a president who is not actively shitting on it with the help of a Republican senate.

All eyes are now on Georgia to see how that will work out. Since Dear Leader is not on the ticket I think it is a whole new ballgame in January.

We will see.

And even if the senate splits, and McConnell keeps the power to stop all Biden's work, there is 2022.
 

hanimmal

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https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-biden-cabinet-cabinets-filibusters-legislation-b4694c7b4c68c5777a61de75658e7464
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WASHINGTON (AP) — So what does a 50-50 Senate get President-elect Joe Biden?

Washington has barely had time to process the implications of Democratic control after two Georgia runoff elections that are delivering the Senate to Democrats. Hours after the races were decided, a mob of zealots ransacked the U.S. Capitol and reshaped the national and political landscape.

The unexpected new balance of power giving Democrats only the barest control of Congress has big consequences for the president-elect — easy confirmation of his Cabinet most importantly — but the road ahead for his ambitious legislative agenda remains complicated and murky.

Republicans remain poised to block most of Biden’s proposals, just as they thwarted much of President Barack Obama’s efforts on Capitol Hill. But 50/50 control permits action on special legislation that can’t be filibustered, and momentum for the popular parts of COVID-19 relief could easily propel an early aid bill into law.

What 50-50 really gets — and doesn’t get — Biden as he takes office:

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WHAT BIDEN DOES GET

NOMINATIONS


With Democrats chairing committees in the Senate and only needing a majority to win floor votes on nominations, Biden is now assured of sealing confirmation of his Cabinet and judicial picks — including potentially for the Supreme Court. It also means controversial choices such as Neera Tanden, Biden’s pick for budget director, can look ahead to assuming their posts. Republicans can slow but not stop nominations.

BUDGET ‘RECONCILIATION’

Democrats also have the opportunity to pass special budget-related legislation by a simple majority, an often-arcane process that enabled Obama to finish his 2010 health care bill and gave President Donald Trump’s GOP allies a failed chance to repeal “Obamacare” and passage of a tax overhaul bill. Biden could use this so-called budget reconciliation process to pass more controversial elements of COVID-19 relief with only Democratic votes, repeal some of Trump’s tax cuts or make federal health care programs more generous, for example.

SETTING THE AGENDA

Senate Democratic leader Chuck Schumer — he’ll be majority leader once the two new Georgia senators and Vice President-elect Kamala Harris are all sworn into office — now has the opportunity to bring legislation to the floor and force votes. That could permit passage of $2,000 direct COVID-19 relief payments and other aid, for instance, and could mean debates on issues like police reform, immigration and climate change. But passage of such legislation would require support from Republicans, which gives the minority party enormous leverage.

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WHAT BIDEN DOESN’T GET

ELIMINATION OF THE FILIBUSTER


Before the November election, pressure had been mounting from the Democratic left to eliminate the filibuster, leading Republicans to charge that Democrats would pack the Supreme Court or give statehood to Democratic strongholds such as the District of Columbia. Moderate Democrat Joe Manchin of West Virginia says he’ll block any attempt to eliminate the filibuster, so party progressives may be wasting their breath on this topic now.

BIPARTISANSHIP

Unified control of the government by one party almost invariably drives the two sides apart. Recent events — hard-won passage of a $900 billion COVID-19 relief bill and a sweeping override of Trump’s veto of the annual defense bill — have been evidence that the vanishing congressional middle can help drive outcomes on Capitol Hill. But issues like increasing the debt limit instantly become partisan, and the political incentives for many Republicans heading into the 2022 midterms and the 2024 presidential election are to vilify Biden and Democrats controlling Congress. Expect a short honeymoon for Biden.

PROGRESSIVE MESSAGING PRIORITIES

A 50-50 Democratic Senate and bare control of the House grant virtually any individual Democrat the ability to gum up the works. That means impossible-to-pass ideas like “Medicare for All” and a Green New Deal aren’t going to be the focus of Schumer and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. That could, over time, frustrate liberals and cause them to issue demands related to bills that actually can pass like infrastructure spending and budget reconciliation proposals.
 

hanimmal

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https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-us-news-race-and-ethnicity-stacey-abrams-georgia-93f7d957172f59968571e7d45874a814
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ATLANTA (AP) — Fueled by Black turnout, Democrats scored stunning wins in Georgia in the presidential and U.S. Senate races. Now, Republicans are trying to make sure it doesn’t happen again.

GOP lawmakers in the once reliably red state are rolling out an aggressive slate of voting legislation that critics argue is tailored to curtail the power of Black voters and undo years of work by Stacey Abrams and others to increase engagement among people of color, including Latino and Asian American communities.

The proposals are similar to those pushed by Republicans in other battleground states: adding barriers to mail-in and early voting, major factors in helping Joe Biden win Georgia’s 16 Electoral College votes and Raphael Warnock and Jon Ossoff take the two Senate seats that gave Democrats control of the chamber.

But one aspect of their plans, a proposal to eliminate early voting on Sundays, seems specifically targeted at a traditional get-out-the-vote campaign used by Black churches, referred to as “souls to the polls.” It’s led many to suggest Republicans are trying to stop a successful effort to boost Black voter turnout in Georgia, where they make up about a third of the population and have faced a dark history of attempts to silence their voices in elections.

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“It’s a new form of voter suppression, the Klan in three-piece suits rather than white hoods,” said the Rev. Timothy McDonald III of the First Iconium Baptist Church in Atlanta, which has participated in souls to the polls events. “They know the power of the Black vote, and their goal is to suppress that power.”

In previous elections, souls to the polls campaigns were festive, with vehicles and people parading to election offices during early voting windows. Churches would sometimes playfully compete to see which could bring the most voters, said McDonald, who described the GOP legislation as “spiteful.”

In Georgia and elsewhere, Republicans say proposals to tighten voting access are meant to bolster confidence in elections, though they have been some of the loudest proponents of meritless claims that the election was fraudulent. The Brennan Center for Justice, a public policy group, has counted 165 bills in 33 states this year meant to limit access to voting.

In Georgia, Republicans control state government and have introduced dozens of legislative measures that would restrict voting access. GOP state Rep. Barry Fleming is chief sponsor of a wide-ranging proposal that would ban Sunday early voting, require a photo ID for absentee voting, limit the time when an absentee ballot could be requested, restrict where ballot drop boxes could be placed and curb the use of mobile voting units, among other changes.

In committee hearings, Fleming has cast the legislation as “an attempt to restore the confidence of our public in our election system.” He didn’t respond to an email or phone message requesting comment.

Nse Ufot, CEO of the New Georgia Project that Abrams founded in 2014, called the GOP measures a backlash “to our multiracial, multilingual progressive majority that is winning elections.”

Biden beat former President Donald Trump by roughly 12,000 votes, becoming the first Democrat to win a presidential contest in Georgia since 1992. Biden received nearly double the number of absentee votes as Trump in a state that became a major target of Trump’s baseless claims of fraud. Biden’s win there was confirmed in three separate counts, including one by hand.

“These measures, in our opinion, are not based on any objective, data-driven, evidence-based assessment of the issue but solely with the intention to undermine Black voters and other communities of concern,” said Democratic state Rep. Michael Smith, chairman of the Georgia Legislative Black Caucus Policy Committee.

Because Republicans control both chambers of the legislature and the governor’s office, at least some form of their proposals are likely to become law.

Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, also a Republican, has called for a photo ID requirement for absentee voting but has yet to back a specific proposal. His office said it was still reviewing the legislation.

Republicans are trying to limit ways to vote that have been wildly popular. After states expanded access to mail-in and early voting during the coronavirus pandemic, nearly 70% of all ballots cast nationwide came before Election Day. An estimated 108 million people voted by mail, early in person or by dropping off absentee ballots. In Georgia, over 4 million voters cast early or absentee ballots.

“They realize if they continue to allow individuals to vote by mail, it is going to be an uphill battle for Republicans to win at the polls and maintain their position,” Democratic state Rep. Debra Bazemore said.

At the federal level, Democrats are pushing for a sweeping overhaul of how Americans vote.

House Democrats are expected to vote next week on a measure that would establish federal election standards like early voting periods, same-day voter registration and other policies that Republicans have dismissed as federal overreach.

And they are expected to introduce another bill to restore a key provision of the Voting Rights Act that had triggered federal scrutiny of election changes in certain states and counties with histories of discrimination. Georgia was among the states that previously had to get approval for voting changes.

“If left to their own devices, Republicans will try to limit the ability of minority voters to exercise their fundamental right to vote,” said U.S. Rep. Hank Johnson, a Georgia Democrat co-sponsoring the bill on federal election standards.

“It’s open season on voting rights in Georgia,” he said.
 

carlsbarn

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That's some fucked up shit, not surprising but fucked nonetheless. We're in an age where I can reliably Paypal millions of dollars to another account with very little fear of malfeasance but we can't establish a digital voting apparatus. What the literal fuck. It could be backed up with a facial screenshot and matching voter roll QR that was mailed out. I reckon when these voter simplicities are arranged the Republican Party will be as relevant as betamax.
 

Fogdog

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That's some fucked up shit, not surprising but fucked nonetheless. We're in an age where I can reliably Paypal millions of dollars to another account with very little fear of malfeasance but we can't establish a digital voting apparatus. What the literal fuck. It could be backed up with a facial screenshot and matching voter roll QR that was mailed out. I reckon when these voter simplicities are arranged the Republican Party will be as relevant as betamax.
Yes, we can but is it worth it? The gold standard for secure voting is a paper ballot that is marked by the voter and then scanned at the appropriate time. Simple, easy, cheap, paper trail and reader's accuracy is easily verified. Not wanting to get sued, I will not say there is anything WRONG with Dominion's voting machines, just that they aren't the best. Scannable paper ballots are. Mailing in ballots is reliable too.
 

hanimmal

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Yes, we can but is it worth it? The gold standard for secure voting is a paper ballot that is marked by the voter and then scanned at the appropriate time. Simple, easy, cheap, paper trail and reader's accuracy is easily verified. Not wanting to get sued, I will not say there is anything WRONG with Dominion's voting machines, just that they aren't the best. Scannable paper ballots are. Mailing in ballots is reliable too.
I am not sure what you mean about the paper ballot thing because Dominion is still using paper ballots (as a backup which is why the counting was able to knock down all the conspiracies since the counts all matched on the hand ballots).

 

DIY-HP-LED

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I see the democrats are wasting no time with HR-1, a lot of things sure seem to be happening since the democrats are in control, there's work being done and things accomplished like LBGQT rights
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Democrats launch sweeping bid to overhaul US election laws (yahoo.com)

Democrats launch sweeping bid to overhaul US election laws

WASHINGTON (AP) — Stacey Abrams, whose voting rights work helped make Georgia into a swing state, exhorted Congress on Thursday to reject “outright lies" that have historically restricted access to the ballot as Democrats began their push for a sweeping overhaul of election and ethics laws.

“A lie cloaked in the seductive appeal of election integrity has weakened access to democracy for millions,” Abrams, a Democrat who narrowly lost Georgia's 2018 gubernatorial race, said during a committee hearing for the bill, which was introduced as H.R. 1 to signal its importance to the party's agenda.

Democrats feel a sense of urgency to enact the legislation ahead of the 2022 midterm elections, when their narrow majorities in the House and Senate will be at risk. The bill, which good-government groups have championed, is advancing against a backdrop of Republican-controlled states seizing on former President Donald Trump's false claims about a stolen 2020 election to push legislation that would make it more difficult to vote. Democrats argue that voters of color, a key constituency for the party, would be disproportionately affected.

It also comes on the cusp of a once-in-a-decade redrawing of congressional districts, a highly partisan affair that is typically controlled by state legislatures. With Republicans controlling the majority of statehouse, the process alone could help the GOP win enough seats to recapture the House. The Democratic bill would instead require that the boundaries be drawn by independent commissions.

“Every political player knows what’s at stake,” said Fred Wertheimer, the president of Democracy 21, a nonpartisan good-government group based in Washington. “There is a race between what is going on in Republican state legislatures, and this effort to pass federal rules to protect the right to vote of every eligible citizen.”
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CunningCanuk

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Yes, we can but is it worth it? The gold standard for secure voting is a paper ballot that is marked by the voter and then scanned at the appropriate time. Simple, easy, cheap, paper trail and reader's accuracy is easily verified. Not wanting to get sued, I will not say there is anything WRONG with Dominion's voting machines, just that they aren't the best. Scannable paper ballots are. Mailing in ballots is reliable too.
The ole pencil and paper still works well up here in the North. We usually have an election winner by 9:30 PM on election night.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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One more story on this crucial piece of legislation to level the playing field and remove some of the republican's unfair gerrymandering advantages along with limiting dark money.
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Democrats’ Top Priority Is To Reform Elections. Will It Be The Bill To Break The Filibuster? (yahoo.com)

Democrats’ Top Priority Is To Reform Elections. Will It Be The Bill To Break The Filibuster?

Democrats have control of the House and Senate, and they want to use it to reform elections and make it easier to vote. But first, they’ll have to get past Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.).

Congressional Democrats are pushing a sweeping package of voting rights, gerrymandering, election, campaign finance and ethics reforms, called the For the People Act. It’s listed as H.R. 1 in the House and S. 1 in the Senate, signifying that it is Democrats’ top legislative priority. For the past two decades, every bill labeled both H.R. 1 and S. 1 has become law.

If the For the People Act is to pass, though, Democrats will need to surmount the one obstacle clogging up almost all legislation that doesn’t directly affect the federal budget: the filibuster. Democrats hold only 50 votes ― plus Vice President Kamala Harris’ to break ties ― and Republicans could easily use the filibuster to prevent voting reform. McConnell, who previously called the legislation “socialism” and a “power grab,” blocked it from a Senate vote in 2019.

Debate over the filibuster ― that it is an archaic tool used mostly throughout history to block civil rights laws and is now preventing the government from operating as voters want it to ― is already at a boiling point. If the filibuster winds up killing democracy reform, it may be what finally drives Democrats to turn around and kill the filibuster.

Former President Barack Obama, Democratic lawmakers and activists are already paving the way to make that argument. At the funeral for civil rights hero and Democratic Rep. John Lewis last summer, Obama called the filibuster a “Jim Crow relic” and said that if Republicans dared to filibuster legislation to reauthorize the Voting Rights Act (a bill that is now named for Lewis), Democrats should not hesitate to eliminate the filibuster to pass the bill.
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The same could be argued of the For the People Act: Lewis and his staff wrote the entire first section, which greatly expands voting rights and limits voter suppression tactics.
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carlsbarn

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Yes, we can but is it worth it? The gold standard for secure voting is a paper ballot that is marked by the voter and then scanned at the appropriate time. Simple, easy, cheap, paper trail and reader's accuracy is easily verified. Not wanting to get sued, I will not say there is anything WRONG with Dominion's voting machines, just that they aren't the best. Scannable paper ballots are. Mailing in ballots is reliable too.

'Worth' it, I reckon so. I've never had issue physically going to the to the polls and being in a rural community it's simple and never taken longer than ten minutes or so in line. I see some of these cities with hours long lines to vote and that alone seems like too big a deterrent for anyone even mildly apathetic. I just want voting to be as easy as registering your opinion and I figure digital would be the most fluid way to achieve this. I'm 100% fine with mail in too so there's a physical paper trail but even mail in seems vulnerable with post office mail speed manipulation and perhaps ballot theft. I figure a screenshot while holding a photo ID would be above reproach and open to audit.

Short story short...I just want it to be as easy as liking a post to vote.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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The ole pencil and paper still works well up here in the North. We usually have an election winner by 9:30 PM on election night.
Simple choices too, your MP, MLA, council person and mayor (school board too) and all with separate elections. So in Canada ya go into the booth with a 3 to 5 name ballot usually and a golf pencil to make a simple choice for one level of government every four years. In America many places elect the dog catcher FFS, along with judges and prosecutors, ballots in some places can be monstrous affairs and state federal voting takes place every two years.
 

CunningCanuk

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Simple choices too, your MP, MLA, council person and mayor (school board too) and all with separate elections. So in Canada ya go into the booth with a 3 to 5 name ballot usually and a golf pencil to make a simple choice for one level of government every four years. In America many places elect the dog catcher FFS, along with judges and prosecutors, ballots in some places can be monstrous affairs and state federal voting takes place every two years.
Yes. It’s more complicated too.
 

Fogdog

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I am not sure what you mean about the paper ballot thing because Dominion is still using paper ballots (as a backup which is why the counting was able to knock down all the conspiracies since the counts all matched on the hand ballots).
Dominion made more than one system. The one you referred to is a hybrid. They sold others that do not give the voter a chance to mark the ballot themselves. As I understand it, the kind of system that was sold to Georgia and South Carolina mark the vote on the ballot after the voter makes a selection on the touchscreen and does not allow hand marked ballots.

The one shown here, marks the ballots for the voter.


Georgia bets on new voting system amid high-stakes election


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Earlier story from the Atlanta News on same subject is found here

This article from NPR refers to ballot marking machines:

Elsewhere, precincts were delayed in opening after poll managers were not given correct access codes to set up the touchscreen ballot-marking devices that print out a paper ballot with a voter's choices.

I'm not saying there was any fraud due to the systems, I'm just saying that the gold standard is and has been a hand marked ballot, not machine marked ballot. For some reason, Georgia and South Carolina went with the machine marked system and there were difficulties with them, mostly due issues with training and logistics.
 
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Dapper_Dillinger

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Things are looking good right now for Biden becoming president until 2024, but the senate will still be in the hands of the "Grim Reaper" Moscow Mitch McConnell, who made it is goal to make Obama a one-term president, and stole Obama's ability to appoint judges or pass legislation for years.

Us Americans can change this in 2022 but voting out the Republican senators. Only then can things about the unlimited dark money flowing around our elections, fixes to our healthcare system, and everything else we need as a nation be worked on.

Here is the list of the 2022 senate seats up for election:

https://ballotpedia.org/United_States_Senate_elections,_2022
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Hopefully we can get some great candidates and have a unimpeded and non-propagandized election in 2022 and finally after 6 years of stopping Obama's ability to legislate, 4 years of Trump, and what will likely be 2 years of Republican obstruction of Biden's agenda, start to get back to work as a nation.
Its hilarious that you believe you can fix a broken and corrupt system by using the mechanisms design for said system, by said system. Carry on plebs...
 

mooray

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Its hilarious that you believe you can fix a broken and corrupt system by using the mechanisms design for said system, by said system. Carry on plebs...
You know why the system is corrupt? Because we're corrupt. It's not like everyone is awesome and oh my gosh it's just this one bad thing we're having trouble dealing with. Americans in particular need to improve as a whole and crushing the system and starting over would just be installing the exact same people in the exact same positions and we'd be right back where we started, only it'd more likely be worse, because idiots would be completely abandoning the old process and just installing their friends into positions. It'd literally be the Idiocracy government overnight. The best thing we can do is work in improving as a whole and the rest improves naturally.
 

Dapper_Dillinger

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You know why the system is corrupt? Because we're corrupt. It's not like everyone is awesome and oh my gosh it's just this one bad thing we're having trouble dealing with. Americans in particular need to improve as a whole and crushing the system and starting over would just be installing the exact same people in the exact same positions and we'd be right back where we started, only it'd more likely be worse, because idiots would be completely abandoning the old process and just installing their friends into positions. It'd literally be the Idiocracy government overnight. The best thing we can do is work in improving as a whole and the rest improves naturally.
I agree partly
 

mooray

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I agree partly
It's funny, many people are willing to say that dems/reps are shit, which we know accounts for like 90% of the population, which is pretty much the same as saying that Americans are shit, but it usually hurts too much and we balk. We know what one plus one is, but for some reason we struggle to actually say "two". It's our ego that prevents us from fully admitting it.
 
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