How To Design Foliar Sprays (Summary) John Kempf AEA

GlueSniffer

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“How to Design Foliar Sprays” (YouTube video from May 14, 2019)
Advancing Eco Agriculture
John Kempf

(Warning that is is just a summary based off notes I took while watching the 45 minute video. Please watch for yourself for the full, unadulterated version. Don't blame me for anything that you disagree with, but please correct me if my summary doesn't correspond with the video. I'm just trying to share information that some may find helpful. Feel free to discuss and ask questions, but I probably don't have any answers. Again, I am not the source of this info. There is also a related video "Foliar Feed Tips" by Soil Doctor Bryant Mason. It is only 5 minutes and more to the point. It has a few other tips included not in the Kempf video.)

Synergistic Stacking


Nutrients, when combined with plant and microbial biostimulants plus microbial inoculants are more effective than using any single product alone. Well-designed, stacked foliar spray solutions should include all of these.

Kempf often says “One plus one equals eleven.” - I don't think he mentions this in this video but it applies so I added it here.

For example, if wanting to feed seaweed, magnesium, and manganese - stack them together in one spray solution. Combining all three will give better results and any one or two alone. Seaweed will work best if nutritional needs are already met.

A well designed foliar feeding might also increase the absorption of nutrients that were not included in the solution. For example, you might see zinc, copper, and boron absorption rates increase even though they were not applied in that particular foliar.

What to Include in Every Well Designed Foliar Spray

  1. Clean Water
  2. Plant Nutrients / Fertilizers
  3. Plant Biostimulants (seaweed, hormones, enzymes…)
  4. Microbial Biostimulants (fulvic acids, humic substances…)
  5. Microbial Inoculants
  6. Surfactant
  7. *Material with High Point of Deliquescence

Mixing Sequence

  1. Fill Tank with Clean Water
  2. Pesticides (want these diluted before adding stimulants and inoculants)
  3. Fertilizers / Nutrients
  4. Plant Biostimulants
  5. Microbial Biostimulants
  6. Microbial Inoculants
  7. Surfactant (want to add this last)

Favorable Foliar Spray Solution Characteristics

  1. pH of 5.2 to 6.4
  2. Electrical Conductivity of less than 3800 (or 3.8 on different scale) if applying every 10-14 days. If applying every 30-40 days EC range is not as much of a concern. (NOTE: Soil_Doctor says use EC of 1.5 (1500) to 2.5 (2500) if using biologicals. Up to 4.0 EC if not using biologicals. On my EC meter, 750ppm = 1500 (1.5) EC, 1250ppm = 2500 (2.5) EC, 2000ppm = 4000 (4.0) EC.)
  3. High Point of Deliquescence (This describes the humidity tipping point where a water droplet can either remain liquid or will dry-out if humidity is reduced past this threshold.
Well designed foliar spray solutions should contain a small amount of a material with a high point of deliquescence. When hygroscopic materials are added to a solution, the solution will have a high point of deliquescence.

Materials such as magnesium chloride, potassium nitrate, calcium chloride, and calcium nitrate all have high points of deliquescence. Adding small amounts of these to a foliar spray solution will help keep the foliar application in liquid form on the leaf surface for a longer period of time (even in low humidity). These materials will pull water out of the air so droplets on a leaf surface will remain liquid for longer periods of time.

A foliar spray solution with a high point of deliquescence should vastly increase the intake of the nutrients and effectiveness of the application. Staying in liquid form for longer periods of time will give microbial populations on the leaf surface a longer time to digest the nutrients and give more time for the nutrients to be absorbed through the leaf surface (via the stomata, diffusion through cell membranes…)


What is Clean Water?

Clean water is rare. For purposes of foliar applications, it is water with less than 70ppm total hardness (less than 5 grains). Hard water is created from Calcium and Magnesium - Carbonates and Bicarbonates. The most common challenge comes from Calcium Bicarbonates. Bicarbonates and Carbonates are two very reactive anions that love to bond with anything that will be added to a spray solution.

If water has 150 ppm of total hardness (10 grains) products will be up to 70% less effective because the carbonates and bicarbonates are so effective at binding with these products. This applies to fertilizers, biostimulants, inoculants, pesticides, insecticides, herbicides, and fungicides… Any product.

The use of RO water (compared to using a hard water source) can reduce product application rates by 30-50%.


Clean Water Sources
-Rain Water
-RO Water
-Tested Clean Water


What about other Water Sources?

-Softened water will have too much Na or Cl. It shows up in plant testing.

-Filtered water will often still have the carbonates and bicarbonates.

-Pond or stream water will need testing because the water can pick up bicarbonates from rocks as it travels. Snowmelt is usually fine.

-City water has antimicrobials. (chlorine, chloramines...) Plus my city water tested for 125 ppm of bicarbonates.

-Chemically acidified water
(using phosphoric acid, sulfuric acid…to neutralize carbonates and bicarbonates and lower pH)

Acidifying your hard water WILL help some (compared to doing nothing), but is usually not effective enough.
If lowering pH into the desired range (5.2 to 6.4), these acids will not completely neutralize the carbonates and bicarbonates in hard water.


Timing of Application
Best in Evening or Early Morning


When NOT to Apply
-When leaf surface temperatures are above 78 degrees F
-During rainfall
-While there is heavy dew


Why to Foliar Feed?
Healthy plants make healthy soil. Foliar feeding can increase plant health which in turn can increase soil health. Healthy plants have roots that exude more carbon into the soil which provides the organic matter that acts as the substrate for the microbial activity. Plants create healthy soil, not the other way around.

Brix As Measurement of Effectiveness
Foliar applications can improve plant health and increase Brix numbers over time. Brix will spike after an effective foliar spray. Within 30 minutes to 24 hours, there should be a spike in measured Brix. If not, the spray might not be effective. Following the initial spike, Brix will gradually reduce back down to a baseline over time. If the system is healthy, the gradual decrease of Brix might last 4-6 weeks after the application. If the system is stressed and unhealthy, the Brix will fall all the way back to the baseline more rapidly (as quickly as 3 days).

As the system becomes healthier (up to a point), subsequent foliar applications become more effective. There will be a bigger spike in Brix, the Brix will remain elevated for a longer period of time, and the Brix baseline will continue to increase with each application as plant and soil health continue to improve. Smaller quantities of products will be required to get maximum benefits as the health of the system improves. Best responses come when plants are very stressed. As the plants become healthier (next level type health), the 'response to' and 'need for' foliar applications will decrease.

Once the baseline Brix is high enough, the plant will not need additional inputs to sustain that level. The plant will be resistant to diseases and insects. The whole plant needs this high of a Brix level. Leaves, stems, fruits… If any part of the plant has low Brix, the weakest part of the plant (often fruit for reproductive crops) will still be susceptible to disease and insects. After getting plants to this level of health, the plant / soil / microbe system can become self-sustaining.

If you found this informative or helpful let me know. Next I want to take notes on "Managing Nutrition at Critical Points of Influence"
 
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GlueSniffer

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Vegetative and Reproductive Nutrients with John Kempf
(Summary of notes from YouTube video - Jul 10, 2018
Advancing Eco Agriculture


Vegetative Nutes

  1. Nitrate
  2. Potassium
  3. Chloride
  4. Calcium

Reproductive Nutes

  1. Manganese
  2. Phosphorus
  3. Ammonium
  4. Everything else excluding the four Veg Nutes
Hormones

Vegetative
Auxins
- Produced in Growing Shoot Tips (Also in developing seeds after pollination). Auxins will try to travel down from shoots to root tips to shut down cytokinin production.

Reproductive
Cytokinins
- Produced in Growing Root Tips. Cytokinins will try to move up to shoot tips, slow down Auxin production, slow down vegetative shoot growth, and trigger reproduction.


Tight Internode Spacing is Sign of High Quality Vegetative Shoot Growth

Internode spacing is determined by nutrient ratios and hormone ratios present inside the plant.
Plants are never 100% veg or 100% reproductive. It is always a balance of the two.

Auxins are sugar magnets. Sugar produced in leaves will travel to areas of high auxin concentration. Enough sugar is needed to be produced to feed the shoot tips, the root tips, and the fruit. Most of the sugar will go to the fruit. If there is not enough sugar for the whole plant, the roots will be deprived first. Auxins are not produced in the root tips, so sugar will go to other places first (fruit or shoot tips). If no sugar is going to the root tips, roots won’t grow, cytokinins will stop being produced, and Auxins will dominate, and internode spacing will become less tight. This is an indication that the root system is in decline. The plant is not producing enough sugar to support the fruit fill and root development.

Nutrient and Hormone Synergy
Nitrate, Potassium, and Chloride are the Veg Nutes that are synergistic with Auxins. They promote rapid growth, but with auxin dominance. Leads to poor internode spacing.

Calcium is a Veg Nute that is synergistic with Cytokinins. Calcium will also promote rapid vegetative growth, but with cytokinin dominance and tighter internode spacing.

The secret weapon is driving your vegetative growth while maintaining cytokinin dominance. This will give a strong plant structure that is capable of handling a large reproductive load.

Use Calcium for triggering high quality vegetative shoot growth - instead of Nitrate, Potassium, or Chloride. Calcium can drive both vegetative dominance and cytokinin dominance at the same time. Calcium promotes the highest quality vegetative shoot growth with tight internode spacing.
 
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Bareback

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Use Calcium for triggering high quality vegetative shoot growth - instead of Nitrate, Potassium, or Chloride. Calcium can drive both vegetative dominance and cytokinin dominance at the same time. Calcium promotes the highest quality vegetative shoot growth with tight internode spacing.
So is this calcium still applied in a foliar spray or will a side dressing give similar results.

I’m not likely to be foliar spraying the veg garden but if I can improve certain aspects of the garden I’m interested and willing to explore the idea.
 

GlueSniffer

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So is this calcium still applied in a foliar spray or will a side dressing give similar results.

I’m not likely to be foliar spraying the veg garden but if I can improve certain aspects of the garden I’m interested and willing to explore the idea.
AEA says chelated Calcium can be applied via foliar as a band-aid. Unchelated Calcium will not travel through the plant and should not be used as a foliar.

Many times Kempf says its important to have the calcium in the soil so it is uptaken though the roots. And for soil applications, chelation is not needed. I, personally, put enough oyster shell, wollastonite, and gypsum in my starting potting mix so I have over 200 ppm of Ca when creating a soil solution with RO water (as shown on a saturated paste test from Logan Labs). This ends up being about 16 lbs of gypsum per cubic yard of base peat/castings/aeration mix (plus 5lbs oystershell/lime and 5 lbs wollastonite

As far as chelation when doing foliar sprays... I don't really know. I just mix ingredients with fulvic and amino acids and hope I am creating chelates.

I like to do soil drenches with gypsum and foliar sprays with the Mn, Zn, Cu, B, products.
 
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Rurumo

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I like foliar feeding a lot. Aspirin+chitosan a few times to trigger SAR, potassium bicarbonate in the beginning of flower to help prevent fungal issues and give the flowering plants a nice potassium boost, fulvic+seaweed during veg to stack the nodes. All of this stuff helps prevent PM and botrytis later on too.
 

GlueSniffer

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I have the advantage as a new grower that I don't know any better. I experiment with everything. I foliar feed often. 3, sometimes 4 times a week. Its the third week of flower and I foliar sprayed back to back nights. Including the young nuglets; they get sprayed too. I hit them once with a Calcium Chloride (which I think Is snow melt salt?) then followed with Mn, Zn, Cu, and B.

My issue is my garden is small so I was always mixing up too much solution. Now I got these tiny measuring spoons.
I thought pinch, dash, smidgen, drop... were all just words for a tiny amount. Nope, they are quantifiable.

Tad = 1/4 tsp
Dash = 1/8 tsp
Pinch = 1/16 tsp
Smidgen = 1/32 tsp
Drop = 1/64 tsp

My foliar recipe for trace elements if as follows. Makes 2 cups. Perfect for 2x4 or 3x5 garden. Just fed last night. I dim the lights 10 minutes before they go out and spray at the end of the light cycle.

2 cups RO water

1/16 tsp Manganese Sulfate
1/32 tsp Zinc Sulfate
1/64 tsp Copper Sulfate
1/64 tsp Borax
1/64 tsp Calcium Nitrate
1/64 tsp Calcium Chloride
1/16 tsp Liquid Kelp
1/16 tsp Ful-Power (liquid Humic Acid Product from BioAg)
1/64 tsp Amino Acids (water soluble powder)
1/64 tsp Organic Cane Sugar
1/64 tsp Great White
1/64 tsp Surfactant


EC of 1.1 (or 1100)
550 ppm
pH 6.5

OR

1 gallon RO water

1/2 tsp Manganese Sulfate
1/4 tsp Zinc Sulfate
1/8 tsp Copper Sulfate
1/8 tsp Borax
1/8 tsp Calcium Nitrate
1/8 tsp Calcium Chloride
1/2 tsp Liquid Kelp
1/2 tsp Ful-Power (liquid Humic Acid Product from BioAg)
1/8 tsp Amino Acids (water soluble powder)
1/8 tsp Organic Cane Sugar
1/8 tsp Great White
1/8 tsp Surfactant


It is a "light" solution. Less than 1 Tbs of additives per gallon of RO. 1.1 EC is lower than I've seen recommended (1.5-2.5 from Soil Doctor, 3.8 from Kempf when applied every 10-14 days). I spray often so I keep the EC low and have no issues. EXCEPT when I tried applying an iron sulfate foliar. The iron oxidized on the leaves and still remains. Subsequent foliar sprays didn't wash it off. The plants look great, other than the rusty looking spots the iron sulfate left on my plants and tent walls. Im sure its oxidized iron and not a mold.
 

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GlueSniffer

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What I have been trying to learn up on is the reproductive process of the cannabis plant.

I guess they call cannabis fruit an achene. Each [what people incorrectly call] calyxes are actually bracts.
Each female flower has a single ovule, which is encapsulated by bracts.
Each female flower also has two stigmas that protrude from that single ovule. The stigmas are the pollen catchers.
These are not pistils. A "pistil" is all of the reproductive female flower parts. Pistil consists of two stigmas plus an ovule.
If the flower is pollinated, the ovule becomes a single fruit, a single seed, an achene.

If using Kempf's strategies, reproductive stages include...

Reproductive Bud Initiation
Blossoming / Pollination
Cell Division
Fruit Fill (Cell Expansion)
Ripening (Plant senescence)

According to Kempf, Once pollinated, cell division begins. It might last 10-14 days (not specifically talking about any crop). Will vary from crop to crop.

I guess I'm wondering when un-pollinated flowers switch from the blossoming / pollination stage to the Cell Division and then to the cell expansion stage?
If growing seedless (un-pollinated) how do I know when the plant switches stages? Does it switch stages? Perhaps the stages do not apply to unpollinated crops.

I was thinking I was harvesting fruit, but I don't really know what I'm even harvesting. No pollination, no seed, no fruit - right? I guess I am harvesting unpollinated flowers for their bracts that are covered with trichomes?

-sorry this got way off topic
 
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MICHI-CAN

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Cold pressed fish emulsion @1Tbsp/Qrt water weekly. Add 1/4Tsp espsoms salt every third week. Very good health and productivity here for too long. All outdoor plants except peas. Dishoap and essential oils for pest prevention.

K.I.S.S.. Mother nature already makes these things available.
 
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