Molasses. Substitutes?

leggoeggo

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So I'm going to flaunt all my 'newbness' here in all its glory...

what exactly is the benefit of molasses during flower? Does it really affect the flavor??

Though I heard (most) do not recommended it in hydro... is 'SugarDaddy' the best substitute?

Also, could you using something else in the water to give the bud a flavor...? Say oranges or something???

-I'm in a DWC btw...
 

onthedl0008

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Dude check out al b fucts stuff on molasses. If you want some sweet stuff then try growing a nice sativa strain. Also most of them grow short better for in a closet. The only way to get the best results from ur strains are in flush and cure. Haze tastes just like pine cones, Cheese tastes just like cheese see what im saying bro.
 

PFC420

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so molasses honey and any other sugar is supposed to increase soil microbials, enhance regrowth, and make the plants use of N more effective...also molasses acts as fungicide
 

thebeerstalkin

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Dude check out al b fucts stuff on molasses. If you want some sweet stuff then try growing a nice sativa strain. Also most of them grow short better for in a closet. The only way to get the best results from ur strains are in flush and cure. Haze tastes just like pine cones, Cheese tastes just like cheese see what im saying bro.
your saying sativa strains are sweet and that they are short? I don't think so buddy.
 

Picasso345

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Two separate questions here IMO. Molasses isn't so much for adding flavor as it is for bulking up those buds by making sugars easily available to the plant. Many knowledgeable growers substitute molasses for Sweet from Botanicare.

For flavor, I know people add things like Apple Juice and Orange Juice, but I have no first hand knowledge.
 

leggoeggo

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Two separate questions here IMO. Molasses isn't so much for adding flavor as it is for bulking up those buds by making sugars easily available to the plant. Many knowledgeable growers substitute molasses for Sweet from Botanicare.

For flavor, I know people add things like Apple Juice and Orange Juice, but I have no first hand knowledge.
+rep! Thanks for breaking my questions down... !! Good info


I think I may get Sweet... though I am already using the Flora Series... will they work together okay??
 

toast master

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hey all .. i would like to chime in here just a little.... for all my looking on the internet i can not find any science that backs up the theory that a plant can assimalate sugar.. most clam , taste ,big growth , fat buds ... not to sure why... if this was the case all green house growers would be using it for everything.. tomatoes, cukes , but you dont see any thing like that in stores... farmers would be all over this if it worked.. but it doesnt... plan and simple ... stick to basic nutes .. save your $ im sure ill be hammered by the , but it works for me crowed .. all i can say is show me the science .... and not from a mfg web site that claims so... good luck
 

Picasso345

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hey all .. i would like to chime in here just a little.... for all my looking on the internet i can not find any science that backs up the theory that a plant can assimalate sugar.. most clam , taste ,big growth , fat buds ... not to sure why... if this was the case all green house growers would be using it for everything.. tomatoes, cukes , but you dont see any thing like that in stores... farmers would be all over this if it worked.. but it doesnt... plan and simple ... stick to basic nutes .. save your $ im sure ill be hammered by the , but it works for me crowed .. all i can say is show me the science .... and not from a mfg web site that claims so... good luck
I'll just check the latest issue of the Scientific American Ganja Journal to get all the results of the latest taste studies as as they relate to marijuana and nutrient additives and I'll report right back to you. I'll weed out all the reports from all the nutrient manufacturers too so we only have unbiased reports. :roll:

Not to be a dick, but unfortunately we don't have science in many cases, all we have are anecdotal reports. Doesn't mean something doesn't work, just because internet stoners don't have access to the studies to back it up. If I use molasses on a grow and my results are better would you really deny me using it again just because there is no study in my hand?
 

toast master

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hey p345 .. I would never deny any one the right to grow the way they choose.. how ever , when you pass info on to others it should be based on good scientific fact to be of any use to the next grower ... the fact that some guy urinates in his tanks for ph control then says it works for me doesnt make it good science ... you can do what you like .... but the fact is good science works lots better than internet stoner guessing ... good luck
 

Picasso345

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hey p345 .. I would never deny any one the right to grow the way they choose.. how ever , when you pass info on to others it should be based on good scientific fact to be of any use to the next grower ... the fact that some guy urinates in his tanks for ph control then says it works for me doesnt make it good science ... you can do what you like .... but the fact is good science works lots better than internet stoner guessing ... good luck
In your world, who would be doing these scientific studies of marijuana additives and taste? You must have access to other marijuana studies somewhere if you are basing your grow on them? Care to share?
 

toast master

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hey p345 .. not sure what your ? is .. are you asking for studies for molasses.. dont know of any ... as for what a plant can use as nutrition... the web is loaded with facts... none contain molasses info ..
im just trying to point out that mj growers are the only ones who think it works.. why is that... when its obvious benefits would apply to all consumible plants ... i guess its a little known secret for us ... i dought it.... its cool that others want to use it .. just never seen any good info on it other than mj grow sites... mj is just a plant it is not another form of life.... all plants consume the same basic things... you can grow with folk lore but i prefer the basic things that make a non complicated grow... to my knowledge mjs been growing for how long with out molasses... good luck
 

Picasso345

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Lol, look at the article I happened to see today:


Maximum Yield - Indoor Gardening

Why Use Sugary Supplements?

by Matt LeBannister
2008-01-01

People feed their plants sugars all the time without knowing it and not always understanding why. You give your sweetheart a bouquet of roses for Valentine’s Day and before they are put into the vase, sugar is added to the water to extend their bloom. Some “old school” gardeners will add molasses to their nutrient solution during the flowering period. Actually, just by adding fulvic acid, usually labeled “gold,” and humic acid, usually labeled “black,” to your nutrient mix you are giving your plants the building blocks for sugars.

Most growers do not even know that there is a meter, called a Brix meter, that is used to measure the level of sugars in the leaves of plants. It is generally understood that the higher the level of sugars within a plant’s tissue, the healthier the plant is and the better the yield will be.

Knowing this, the question should not be, “Why add a carbohydrate supplement to my nutrient solution?” but simply, “Why haven’t I added one already?”

To understand why you should give your plants one of the sugary supplements on the market, you should become a little more familiar with the way plants produce and use sugars.

Almost all plants use sugars as their main source of fuel. They transport these sugars along with water and other elements throughout their systems, either for food or to create amino acids for biosynthesis to fuel cellular respiration. Maple trees are a great example of how plants use sugars. Their sugary sap is famous at breakfast tables worldwide, but that sap is really the food the maple tree has begun to store to survive the winter to come.

Most plants are photoautotrophs, which means that they synthesize their own food directly from inorganic compounds using photons, the energy from light. They do this using a process called photosynthesis. Photosynthesis comes from the Greek word “photo,” meaning light, and “synthesis,” meaning to put together. The inorganic compounds are carbon dioxide (CO2) and water (H2O), and the energy source is sunlight. The end products include glucose, a simple sugar, and oxygen (O2). The actual equation looks like this:


6CO2 + 12H2O + photons —> C6H2O6 + 6O2 + 6H2O (gas) (liquid) (aqueous) (gas) (liquid)

Then, through a process called carbon fixation, ATP (adenosine triphosphate),AND? a high-energy molecule CO2 (carbon dioxide) are used to create sugars. Some sugars produced, such as glucose, are simple sugars or monosaccharides. They are easily broken down by the plant and are generally used for energy. Other sugars produced, such as cellulose, are complex sugars or polysaccharides. Polysaccharides consist of a chain of two or more sugars and are usually used for lipid and amino acid biosynthesis. Polysaccharides are also used as a fuel in cellular respiration. Cellulose specifically is used as the building material for all green plants. It is the main component of all green plant cell walls.

Through the examination of the process of photosynthesis, we learn just how important the sugars produced through this process are. The sugars and starches are vital to the plant. They are essential for cellular preparation, to maintain the plants metabolism and vigor. The sugars are even the building blocks that keep the very cells of the plant together. Now it is understood that plants have a great big “sweet tooth” and are specialists at making the sugars they need.

So why then should we be feeding them more on top of all this? Simply put, flowering plants are burning these carbs trying to make large fruit or vegetables, or big beautiful blooms, faster than a marathon runner trying to win a race. Not to mention that the process of photosynthesis, which produces the sugars, itself takes a lot of energy. By adding one of the organic carbohydrate supplements to your nutrient solution the carbohydrates that have been allocated to the flowering process will be replenished more easily. This will save your plant the energy it would need to create those sugars itself, and your plant can focus more of its energy on the flowering process.

Also, many beneficial bacteria and fungi (aka carbon-fixing bacterial fungi) will live on the sugars and will break down the sugars for the plant. This, again, allows the plant to use energy usually spent breaking down sugars for other processes. The more beneficial bacteria and fungi, the easier nutrients are absorbed by the roots. All this leads to improved flowering and overall health of the plants.

When choosing the supplement for your plants remember the old saying, “You are what you eat.” The same goes for your plants. Look for something organic because organic sugars will improve flavor and smell better than anything that inorganic.

There are also some sugars that are more important to your plants than others. Xylose and arabinose are two of those sugars. Both are sugars naturally produced by plants. They are also monosaccharides, which means they are simple sugars and, therefore, used more easily by the plant.

Glucose should be the main ingredient of the product because it is the main product of photosynthesis. Glucose is a monosaccharide that is used for energy and for starting cellular respiration in the plant. The name “glucose” comes from the Greek word “glykys,” which means sweet, with the suffix “ose,” which denotes that it is a carbohydrate. Glucose is critical in the production of proteins and in lipid metabolism. Glucose is also used as a precursor for the synthesis of several important substances, such as starch and cellulose. Starch is a way in which plants store energy and cellulose makes up most of the structural parts of plants.

Fructose is also a monosaccharide and is a main component of most tree fruit, berries, and melons. It is the sweetest naturally occurring sugar and is twice as sweet as the disaccharide sucrose, which consists of glucose and fructose bonded together.

The disaccharide maltose is also an important sugar because enzymes break it down into two glucose molecules.

All of the above sugars are produced naturally by plants. By adding a supplement containing these simple and complex sugars to a well-balanced nutrient, a plant will increase the levels of sugars in the leaves and throughout the plant. This will let the plant use its energy more efficiently, allowing more energy to be focused on producing large fruit and bigger blooms. These sugars will also improve the taste of the end product while giving fuel to beneficial bacteria and fungi.

Using sugar supplements with carbon-based fulvic acid and humic acid bring great benefits to your plants with no downside. Knowing this and how the plants produce and use these sugars makes using them simply “carbo-logic.”







 

toast master

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hey p345... thanks... lots of info to absorb in that article.. see there is some science to it ... i just dont do things based on non confirmed info... i will look into this though.. as im not so closed minded to ignor any that that can benefit ... i appreciate your reasearch.. did you come away with a little knowledge your self...beats the he told me so doesnt it ... thanks bro.... good luck
 
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