World Of Hempy
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jonnynobody
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Man I was on the fence this morning about switching the flower room back to jack's 5-12-26 and I pulled the trigger. I can't help but keep thinking how much better the quality of the pot was in both flavor and burn qualities with jack's versus maxi. The only reason I ever switched to maxi is because I was under the impression I might have been missing something by not using a cannabis specific fertilizer. Not only was my GPW ratio better with jack's, but the pot burned and tasted better. I feel like a real heal for taking this long to get back to jack's.
I'll add something more to this statement. About 12 years ago when I was cruising the RIU and ICMAG forums a lot trying to learn how to grow good pot. A feller named "Uncle Ben" on ICMAG was an old timer that constantly preached the gospel of all purpose jack's from start to finish. Bloom fertilizer? What the hell are you talking about? That's what Uncle Ben would have said to you if you asked him, "what kind of bloom fertilizer do you recommend?" He said the industry has created this false idea that plants need a completely different nutrient profile when they start spitting out flowers. Uncle Ben said it's a lie that keeps being repeated because it's so goddam profitable for the fertilizer companies. Uncle Ben grew in soil and used jack's all purpose 20-20-20 start to finish. He even used some of jack's other all purpose fertilizer's with different NPK ratios, but he never switched his crops to a "bloom fertilizer" at any point. His plants looked amazing all the way until harvest.
I think UB is correct. There is no need for loading the plant with P & K in flower. They need access to it, but they don't need to have inordinately large amounts of it. Sure the flowers will absorb the shit and grow if you give it to them, but the burn qualities will suffer as will the flavor. It's the wrong approach. Why did my jack's taste better? That's a question I had to ask myself. It's a balanced fertilizer, and I never switched to a bloom fertilizer high in P and K. I just reduced the calcium nitrate after week 6 and increased the jack's, but I ran the same EC of 1.6.
Today I mixed up 3g jack's and 2g calcium nitrate. 647PPM on the 500 scale. The guru's over at ICMAG preached time and time again that jack's 5-12-26 at 600PPM start to finish is a golden recipe. I'm excited to see how the girls respond over the next few days and I will post pics for better or worse. I believe jack's is the way forward. The best hydroponic hempy pot I ever grew and smoked was grown in jack's 5-12-26 with absolutely no bloom fertilizer of any kind. I believe I did use floralicous plus during that grow which is a seaweed liquid fertilizer with a very low npk ratio. I am not using that this time. I believe it is unnecessary.
Growsidius Maximus
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How big do your plants grow in 5gal buckets jonny?
rkymtnman
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@jonnynobody
i was a longtime Lucas user . once i got my setup dialed in years ago, i started with different nutes and ratios. i am now firmly a believer in the ratio that uncle ben and fatman recommended for hydro. 3-1-2 or 3-1-4. which led me to Jacks RO and Dyna Gro Foliage Pro. my results have never been better.
i was a longtime Lucas user . once i got my setup dialed in years ago, i started with different nutes and ratios. i am now firmly a believer in the ratio that uncle ben and fatman recommended for hydro. 3-1-2 or 3-1-4. which led me to Jacks RO and Dyna Gro Foliage Pro. my results have never been better.
Growsidius Maximus
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Rkymtnman do you use both jacks and dyno? Or do you use dyno strictly a "foliar spray"
rkymtnman
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i'm using Jack's RO formula now (the new 1 part they have). i like DG foliage pro but it does need way more Mg.
my next goal is to use something with Silica. if i use the jacks with silica, it bumps my ratio to 3-1-8 which is too much K ( i think?)
but to answer you fully, no, i never foliage feed nutes. maybe epsom salts as a foliar if i have a Mg issue.
jonnynobody
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Growsidius Maximus
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4-6 zips per?
Was hoping I could use a 2.5 gal bucket and yield about 4-6 per plant to save on space.
In your opinion...yay or nay?
Btw nice pics!
Was hoping I could use a 2.5 gal bucket and yield about 4-6 per plant to save on space.
In your opinion...yay or nay?
Btw nice pics!
jonnynobody
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Did you feel like there was any observable variance in flavor or burn qualities after you switched to the jack's RO?
rkymtnman
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i think better overall health until chop with jacks. and dyna gro. i think that npk ratio is better . i add epsom to any nute that doesn't have sulfur. and the ro formula does not have sulfur. the 5-12-26 has tons of it.
jonnynobody
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I don't weigh each plant due to the number and amount I process at harvest time. It would just be too complicated to produce a number that doesn't really mean anything to me. I only care about total yield. Some strains I run are capable of much higher yields based on genetics. Some strains I run are not capable of high yields based on genetics. So how much per plant? That's kind of a loaded question, isn't it? I will tell you this, the most I have harvested out of a 5 gallon bucket was over 2# from a single Jager plant. I can not emphasize this enough - GENETICS DETERMINE YIELD! Assuming you know what you're doing of course. Certain strains simply do not produce heavy branching and heavy flower production. Other strains do.
My heaviest yeilding strains so far have been blue dream, jager, critical mass, and maui waui. The flower room is capable of producing 8# per cycle. It's not the # of plants that even matters. It's how big they are. Or how big they aren't?
Last cycle I grew 13, but several were fairly small in size while I had 2 that were massive. This cycle I am only flowering 9 in the flower room and a 10th in a tent that I'm test flowering under a Geyapex COB for the manufacturer, Hortibloom. I literally just chopped down and trashed three 5' tall girl scout cookies ladies yesterday because I don't have room for them. Not to mention I think the strain is complete trash and an utter waste of time. Poor yielding. Unimpressive aroma and appearance. Heavy training required. The juice just isn't worth the squeeze.I'm really tossing around the idea of ordering some pre 98 bubba kush or GMO cookies. Jonny needs another old school stanker in the garden
Growsidius Maximus
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Please forgive the loaded question. I have seen it asked many times before, and do understand that genetics will determine yield (along with growing skill).
Though given what you were able to pull from a 5 gal bucket, I'm thinking I would not have any issue pulling 4-6 zips from a 3.5 gal bucket. (I said 2.5 before but realized that I was mistaken). Link to the bucket: https://www.uline.com/Product/Detail/S-9942BL/Pails/Plastic-Pail-35-Gallon-Black?model=S-9942BL&RootChecked=yes
These would be Gorilla Glue #4. I only plan on doing a single strain to keep things simple for room control.
Also curious if anyone here does multiple watering holes in their hempy? Example a 1 inch, 2 inch and 3 inch hole. Could easily fill the hole with a rubber stopper (https://www.homedepot.com/p/Everbilt-1-2-in-x-5-16-in-Black-Rubber-Stopper-808188/204273762#product-overview). Could also put in an extra hole to check PH like Yankee suggested.
My thought is a 1 inch hole for earlier in their life, switch to the 2 inch hole toward the middle/end of the veg cycle, and lastly switch to the 3 inch hole around week 3/4 of flowering.
I suspect that there is only around 1 to 1.5 gal of water in a 2-3 inch reservoir and assume that you could be feeding them multiple times in the same day at the end of the flower cycle?
I intend on doing a float system (two buckets stacked and gravity fed), so they can feed as they need, but was curious if doing a 3 inch hole would be problematic in a 100% perlite system?
Though given what you were able to pull from a 5 gal bucket, I'm thinking I would not have any issue pulling 4-6 zips from a 3.5 gal bucket. (I said 2.5 before but realized that I was mistaken). Link to the bucket: https://www.uline.com/Product/Detail/S-9942BL/Pails/Plastic-Pail-35-Gallon-Black?model=S-9942BL&RootChecked=yes
These would be Gorilla Glue #4. I only plan on doing a single strain to keep things simple for room control.
Also curious if anyone here does multiple watering holes in their hempy? Example a 1 inch, 2 inch and 3 inch hole. Could easily fill the hole with a rubber stopper (https://www.homedepot.com/p/Everbilt-1-2-in-x-5-16-in-Black-Rubber-Stopper-808188/204273762#product-overview). Could also put in an extra hole to check PH like Yankee suggested.
My thought is a 1 inch hole for earlier in their life, switch to the 2 inch hole toward the middle/end of the veg cycle, and lastly switch to the 3 inch hole around week 3/4 of flowering.
I suspect that there is only around 1 to 1.5 gal of water in a 2-3 inch reservoir and assume that you could be feeding them multiple times in the same day at the end of the flower cycle?
I intend on doing a float system (two buckets stacked and gravity fed), so they can feed as they need, but was curious if doing a 3 inch hole would be problematic in a 100% perlite system?
Growsidius Maximus
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3 inches high 
To water less frequently is the idea.
To water less frequently is the idea.
rkymtnman
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should work fine.3 inches high
To water less frequently is the idea.
rkymtnman
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i should have put this in that reply: i'm gonna try a higher hole this summer in my tomato hempys. they get huge and i almsot need to water them 2x a day. i might even go up to 4"3 inches high
To water less frequently is the idea.
Growsidius Maximus
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Yeah tomatoes get hungry! Might upgrade to an aeration stone in my gravity feed. Was also hoping to try hempy with peppers if I get time for it!
rkymtnman
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that's a good idea about the peppers. my tomatoes do great here but my peppers only get like 1 or 2 fruits on them. maybe they'll do better in a hempy? have to try one.
Growsidius Maximus
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Where I'm at here... Peppers are a buck a piece if they're on sale. Figure it's a sound investment lol 
Growsidius Maximus
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How much water is too much water for a hempy? Bought a couple of these totes: http://www.quantumstorage.com/snt230
Every inch is close to 5550 ml (1.5 gal), so at 2 inches I will have almost 3 gal of water at one time in the bottom of the tote. Could easily do 1/2 inch hole on one side and 2 inch hole on the opposite side of the tote.
My idea is to transfer once. From the clone tray to the tote.
The clones are quite developed and have extremely long roots that would reach the bottom easily.
Nonetheless, even at 1/2 inch that is a little more than 2000 ml of water that a clone could drink from.
Thoughts?
Every inch is close to 5550 ml (1.5 gal), so at 2 inches I will have almost 3 gal of water at one time in the bottom of the tote. Could easily do 1/2 inch hole on one side and 2 inch hole on the opposite side of the tote.
My idea is to transfer once. From the clone tray to the tote.
The clones are quite developed and have extremely long roots that would reach the bottom easily.
Nonetheless, even at 1/2 inch that is a little more than 2000 ml of water that a clone could drink from.
Thoughts?
.Smoke
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You can't over water Hempy.
For your previous question, this is a Gorilla Glue grown in a 4gal. hempy. Yield was 18+ ounces.
I use 3.5gal now and expect at minimum 8+oz from each of my plants with 8 of them in a 4'x8'.