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DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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Dryxi said:
Gonna have to agree to disagree on what Biden will do there. The government already gave the vaccine makers 0 liability for these vaccines, if Biden changes the rule to make it mandatory, who becomes liable if something goes wrong? What happens to future efforts to vaccinate the population if a mandatory vaccine (fast tracked to be EUA at the moment) becomes an issue and Biden made the decision to change rules?

There is so much more to it than simply making it mandatory.
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I don't think the government will do anything like make it mandatory unless the situation becomes dire with variants. Employers might be another matter, especially those dealing with the public, hospitals for instance.
 
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DIY-HP-LED said:
I believe you are around 75% now, many of his supporters are like trump, they will get the vaccine and keep quiet. Like I said covid gives ya immunity too and many of the anti maskers/ anti vaccers are cases waiting to happen. Also minority communities are responding to their leaders who are pushing vaccines heavily. It appears just the Trumpers and hardcore anti vaccers will be left by fall, along with the kids and I expect school vaccine programs in the fall. As long as the elderly and vulnerable are protected, those who are vaccinated won't mind the anti vaccers and anti maskers quite so much, suicide is a personal choice.
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It's 21% with at least one shot, 10.9% with both.

www.npr.org

How are the COVID-19 vaccine and booster campaigns going in your state?

The U.S. is striving to vaccinate as many people as possible against COVID-19 — and keep them up-to-date with boosters. But some states are lagging behind. See how yours is faring.
www.npr.org www.npr.org
 
Dryxi

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DIY-HP-LED said:
I don't think the government will do anything like make it mandatory unless the situation becomes dire with variants. Employers might be another matter, especially those dealing with the public, hospitals for instance.
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Even employers have a decision to make there. The government is unwilling to take the liability and license the vaccines, the vaccine makers are unwilling to take liability for a vaccine they created, if my boss forces me to get the vaccine or be fired, are they not liable if I get sick from it? Some will make that decision soon, but I would expect most to wait for the FDA to actually license the vaccine before they go full force.
 
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DIY-HP-LED said:
I believe you are around 75% now, many of his supporters are like trump, they will get the vaccine and keep quiet. Like I said covid gives ya immunity too and many of the anti maskers/ anti vaccers are cases waiting to happen. Also minority communities are responding to their leaders who are pushing vaccines heavily. It appears just the Trumpers and hardcore anti vaccers will be left by fall, along with the kids and I expect school vaccine programs in the fall. As long as the elderly and vulnerable are protected, those who are vaccinated won't mind the anti vaccers and anti maskers quite so much, suicide is a personal choice.
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I guess I can go w/glass half full approach,but this whole thing has planted some phobias to be dealt with.I mean when is the last time you grabbed a door handle in a highly trafficked business and then rubbed your eyes or touched your face.Basically shit you used to never give a real thought to, when do we stop wiping down our groceries?It's going to be a epic adjustment getting over some of these behaviors forced upon us by a combination of fear and prudence.ccguns
 
DIY-HP-LED

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injinji said:
It's 21% with at least one shot, 10.9% with both.

www.npr.org

How are the COVID-19 vaccine and booster campaigns going in your state?

The U.S. is striving to vaccinate as many people as possible against COVID-19 — and keep them up-to-date with boosters. But some states are lagging behind. See how yours is faring.
www.npr.org www.npr.org
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I was speaking of those willing to be vaccinated, Joe's roll out has been impressive, much faster than other countries like Canada, though we can't get enough supply.

As Vaccine Confidence Grows, So Do Concerns About Doubters | Voice of America - English (voanews.com)
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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Dryxi said:
Even employers have a decision to make there. The government is unwilling to take the liability and license the vaccines, the vaccine makers are unwilling to take liability for a vaccine they created, if my boss forces me to get the vaccine or be fired, are they not liable if I get sick from it? Some will make that decision soon, but I would expect most to wait for the FDA to actually license the vaccine before they go full force.
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I don't think it will end up being an issue, the vaccines are reported effective against the variants and there are new antibody therapeutics and antivirals in the pipeline for treatment, but ya got to catch it early. It's overloaded hospitals and soaring deaths that causes lockdowns and extreme measures, if the vulnerable and elderly are protected that won't happen.
 
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CCGNZ

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DIY-HP-LED said:
I was speaking of those willing to be vaccinated, Joe's roll out has been impressive, much faster than other countries like Canada, though we can't get enough supply.

As Vaccine Confidence Grows, So Do Concerns About Doubters | Voice of America - English (voanews.com)
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Really empathize w/poor folks dealing w/shitty websites and getting dicked around in the process who actually want and need the shots. From what I witnessed in MA, is your standard people w/connections getting served 1st. I know of people under 30 getting shots that are not in high risk occupations. In other words its par for the course.ccguns
 
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CCGNZ

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DIY-HP-LED said:
I don't think it will end up being an issue, the vaccines are reported effective against the variants and there are new antibody therapeutics and antivirals in the pipeline for treatment, but ya got to catch it early. It's overloaded hospitals and soaring deaths that causes lockdowns and extreme measures, if the vulnerable and elderly are protected that won't happen.
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Yeah but Covid is just unpredictable enough that you can't categorize it. Just enough younger and healthier people have had it bad enough that you can't really draw solid conclusions.BTW My boss got it last year, headache mostly but the weirdest thing months after recovery a blue toe on one foot STRANGE, the dudes in his 40'sccguns
 
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Fewer people take a ‘wait and see’ approach to COVID-19 vaccine — here’s what changed their minds - MarketWatch

Fewer people take a ‘wait and see’ approach to COVID-19 vaccine — here’s what changed their minds
Though access to COVID-19 vaccines remains limited, polling suggests a slice of Americans want to “wait and see” how the shots work for other people before they get vaccinated themselves.

But experts say that getting the vaccine as soon as it’s available to you will be vital for protecting yourself and others, stopping virus variants in their tracks, and resuming some level of normalcy.
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DIY-HP-LED said:
Fewer people take a ‘wait and see’ approach to COVID-19 vaccine — here’s what changed their minds - MarketWatch

Fewer people take a ‘wait and see’ approach to COVID-19 vaccine — here’s what changed their minds
Though access to COVID-19 vaccines remains limited, polling suggests a slice of Americans want to “wait and see” how the shots work for other people before they get vaccinated themselves.

But experts say that getting the vaccine as soon as it’s available to you will be vital for protecting yourself and others, stopping virus variants in their tracks, and resuming some level of normalcy.

The share of people in this “wait and see” category has declined over time, according to polling by the health-policy think tank Kaiser Family Foundation, dropping from 39% in December to 31% in January. In February, the most recent survey, it stood at 22%. This happened alongside a gradual increase in the share of respondents (most recently 55%) reporting they’d either gotten at least one dose or would get the vaccine as soon as possible.

Black adults (34%), young adults aged 18 to 29 (33%), Hispanic adults (26%), adults without a college degree (25%), and non-health essential workers (25%) had the highest shares of respondents in the wait-and-see group.

The most common concerns in the wait-and-see cohort were the potential for serious side effects; the possibility of getting COVID-19 from the vaccine, which health authorities say cannot happen; the prospect of missing work due to side effects; and the potential need to pay out of pocket for the vaccine, though the vaccines are free. A quarter of wait-and-seers said a one-dose vaccine would make them more likely to get their shot.

Susan Lopez, a hospitalist affiliated with Rush University Medical Center in Chicago, says community members have raised questions about waiting to get vaccinated against COVID-19 during every one of the 12 vaccine-outreach sessions she has done.

“I get a lot of questions about long-term effects, like months and years later on, especially with regards to mRNA vaccines since they keep hearing it’s new technology,” Lopez told MarketWatch. Many people also feel overwhelmed by the technological logistics of registering for a vaccine appointment, she added.

Lopez said she tells community members who say they want to wait that she’s there to provide them with the information they need to make the decision best for them. But she reassures them that no safety steps were skipped in the vaccine-development process, that all of the vaccines have been studied, and that researchers will continue to gather safety information.

Lopez stressed the importance of asking people why they want to wait rather than assuming. Healthcare professionals should acknowledge that those feelings are valid, she said, while also answering questions and providing information.

About one-fifth of respondents to KFF’s latest survey said they definitely wouldn’t get vaccinated (15%) or would do so only if required (7%). But KFF chief executive Drew Altman likened the wait-and-see cohort to “persuadable swing voters.” He reasoned they should be a key focus in efforts to shore up vaccine confidence, “especially in Black and Latino communities where the need for building vaccine confidence and addressing information needs and barriers to access is the most urgent.”

He also predicted many may get their shots after seeing people they know get vaccinated without incident.

“The ones whose minds can be more readily changed are in the wait-and-see group — and hopefully all of their minds can be changed,” said David Abramson, a clinical associate professor of social and behavioral sciences at the NYU School of Global Public Health who is doing research on vaccine hesitancy and was not involved in KFF’s research.

“If that was the case, we’d get closer to an 80% [coverage] rate, and that would be terrific,” Abramson added. “We’d be at the herd-immunity rates that we’d want to be at.”

The Food and Drug Administration has granted emergency-use authorization to the two-dose Pfizer PFE, 1.22% -BioNTech BNTX, 4.01% and Moderna MRNA, 3.37% vaccines, as well as the one-shot Johnson & Johnson JNJ, 0.47% vaccine.

As of Thursday afternoon, 64 million people in the U.S. (19.3% of the total population) had received at least one vaccine dose, and 33.8 million (10.2% of the population) were fully vaccinated, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

‘I generally scare them about how bad COVID can be’
What’s the rush to get vaccinated? For starters, the longer you wait, the longer you aren’t protected from COVID-19, said Alison Buttenheim, a behavioral epidemiologist at the University of Pennsylvania School of Nursing.

People tend to have concerns about vaccine safety and efficacy, she added, but many don’t appropriately weigh the risks of the disease they’re trying to prevent. “It’s really easy to only focus on the benefits and potential harms and risks of the vaccine, and just ignore the disease,” she said. “We all misestimate our risk.”

William Parker, an assistant professor of medicine at the University of Chicago with firsthand experience caring for patients with severe COVID-19, says he emphasizes to wait-and-see people that they don’t want to wind up seeing him in the hospital.

“I generally scare them about how bad COVID can be,” Parker said. “What’s so exciting about the vaccines is they are tremendously effective at preventing these really bad outcomes — hospitalizations and deaths.”

The virus had killed more than 530,000 people in the U.S. as of Thursday, according to Johns Hopkins University.

A race to ‘starve the virus of hosts’ — and ward off variants
The urgency stems from a need to “starve the virus of hosts,” Abramson said. Public-health professionals want to cut down the number of people in a community who are potential carriers and transmitters of the virus, he said, so to the extent that more and more people get vaccinated, “that will soon begin to suppress the virus population itself.”
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All the intel you need is 1st responders have gotten vaccinated since Dec. I haven't seen to many alarming reactions from people who have had shots 3+ months ago.Pretty much all you need to know when this disease has filled 500,000 + coffins.ccguns
 
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captainmorgan said:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1371532627488935940
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I think most folks already knew that, this merely confirms it. If there is talk about Cuomo being culpable over mortality data, what will they make of this fraud? American taxpayers paid for accurate, timely and trustworthy information and scientific data was manipulated and ignored for purely callus political reasons. This false information caused many deaths, public health issues and political problems, experts were ignored and the response deliberately impleaded. The testing fiasco under Trump is but one small example of maliciously motivated dereliction of duty and negligent gross incompetence.
 
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Nearly Half Of Trump Voters Say They Won’t Get Vaccinated. Can They Be Convinced?

One of the most vaccine-hesitant groups is white, Republican Trump voters. So, what is the most effective way to reach them?
 
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