Examples of Democratic Party leadership

blu3bird

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That shitpost is a 2020 candidate for the JD Power award for stupidity
 

Fogdog

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The clip was from 60 Minutes and I'm stupid. And this speaks to how closed minded you are, but go ahead and follow your heard. Simpleton.
I didn't open it BECAUSE it came from Facebook, the heart of darkness when it comes to the corrosive effects of social media.

I am closed minded about opening links that go through a known disseminator of fake news. I'll own that. Why not link to 60 minutes? The Simpletons the ones who get their news from Facebook.
 

mooray

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I always figure any article is just a preliminary exposure and should be treated as potential nonsense, then you go digging around for more info if you're truly interested. I like thinking of it this way because I don't like the notion of, "oh I don't look at thing from there". We should be able to look at toxic information be able to manage information in a non-toxic manner. I'll look at a linked article from Breitbart, I don't care. If it's interesting, I'll read more and pretty much 100% of the time, there's intentionally omitted information which nullifies the intent of the article. It's a good skill to have and ports over to many other areas in life.
 

Fogdog

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I always figure any article is just a preliminary exposure and should be treated as potential nonsense, then you go digging around for more info if you're truly interested. I like thinking of it this way because I don't like the notion of, "oh I don't look at thing from there". We should be able to look at toxic information be able to manage information in a non-toxic manner. I'll look at a linked article from Breitbart, I don't care. If it's interesting, I'll read more and pretty much 100% of the time, there's intentionally omitted information which nullifies the intent of the article. It's a good skill to have and ports over to many other areas in life.
It's called click bait for a reason.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Are HR-1 and voter's rights worth the fight over the filibuster? Yep! Even if they get nothing else done other than investigations of Trump's corruption and treason.
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'Voter Suppression Would Be Almost Stopped In Its Tracks By H.R. 1'

Lauren Groh-Wargo, CEO of Fair Fight Action, tells Lawrence O'Donnell that H.R. 1 would target with "precision" the Republican attempts to suppress voting by improving “registration, accessing the ballot and getting your ballot counted.”
 
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hanimmal

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Doing the right thing and sticking it to the rightwing nutjobs, it's a twofer.


Here is the flip side of that:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2021/03/16/republicans-threat-stimulus/
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Twenty-one Republican state attorneys general on Tuesday threatened to take action against the Biden administration over its new $1.9 trillion coronavirus stimulus law, decrying it for imposing “unprecedented and unconstitutional” limits on their states’ ability to lower taxes.

The letter marks one of the first major political and legal salvos against the relief package since President Biden signed it last week — evincing the sustained Republican opposition that the White House faces as it implements the signature element of the president’s economic policy agenda.

The attorneys general take issue with a $350 billion pot of money set aside under the stimulus, known as the American Rescue Plan, to help cash-strapped cities, counties and states pay for the costs of the pandemic. Congressional lawmakers opted to restrict states from tapping these federal dollars to finance local tax cuts.

Lawmakers included the provision to ensure Washington isn’t footing the bill on behalf of states that later take deliberate steps to reduce their revenue. But the guardrails frustrated many GOP leaders, who said in a letter to the Treasury Department that the law’s vague wording threatens to interfere with states in good financial standing that sought to provide “such tax relief with or without the prospect of COVID-19 relief funds.”

The attorneys general from Arizona, Georgia, West Virginia and 18 other states called on the Biden administration to make it clear that they can proceed with some of their plans to cut taxes, including those that predate the stimulus, in a seven-page missive sent to Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen on Tuesday. Otherwise, they said, the relief law “would represent the greatest invasion of state sovereignty by Congress in the history of our Republic” — and they threatened to take “appropriate additional action” in response.

Some state officials are already discussing a possible lawsuit, according to a person familiar with the matter who was not authorized to discuss the private deliberations.

Congress adopts $1.9 trillion stimulus, securing first major win for Biden

A White House official late Tuesday said Congress had acted appropriately in seeking to stipulate conditions on the federal stimulus funding, emphasizing in a statement the law “does not say that states cannot cut taxes at all.” Rather, the official said, it “simply instructs them not to use that money to offset net revenues lost if the state chooses to cut taxes.”

“So if a state does cut taxes without replacing that revenue in some other way, then the state must pay back to the federal government pandemic relief funds up to the amount of the lost revenue,” the official added.

The legal wrangling reflects early, widespread confusion — and the lingering partisan schisms — that surround one of the more contentious elements of the $1.9 trillion stimulus law. It only adds to the political challenges facing the Biden administration as it begins to dole out aid under one of the largest, most complicated economic rescue packages in U.S. history.

This week, the president tapped Gene Sperling, a former top White House aide, to oversee the government’s efforts to bring the stimulus online. And Biden joined Vice President Harris on Tuesday to start selling the new law to voters nationwide as part of a broader messaging tour.

White House press secretary Jen Psaki said Monday that the stimulus set aside $350 billion in aid for local governments to help “cops, firefighters and other essential employees at work and employed,” adding at her daily briefing it “wasn’t intended to cut taxes.”

In securing the funds, the White House and members of Congress sought to blunt the impact of significant revenue shortfalls in cities, counties and more than half of all U.S. states. State and local governments have shed 1.3 million jobs since the pandemic began last year — a loss of more than 1 in 20 government positions, according to a Washington Post analysis of employment data.

Why some state and local governments are desperate for more stimulus aid

While the losses did not result in the early doomsday scenarios, leaving cities and states financially insolvent, the mixed data and political rancor still muddied the debate on Capitol Hill — repeatedly preventing lawmakers from reaching a deal on the aid until late December.

This year, Biden ultimately sought — and lawmakers later approved — $350 billion in new stimulus spending to help local governments steady their finances and pay for the costs of responding to the crisis. The funds drew bipartisan support from mayors, county leaders and governors, even though Republicans in Congress blasted it as wasteful spending — and falsely contended that it only benefited Democratic-led states.

The aid, however, isn’t unfettered. Local governments can use the dollars to cover the costs of their first responders, provide enhanced pay for essential employees and even make improvements to local infrastructure. But states cannot use the money to address their rising pension costs, nor can they appear to take the dollars and then cut taxes, essentially tapping Washington’s help to make up for any lost revenue either directly or indirectly.

With congressional approval imminent, Biden prepares to send checks, but big stimulus challenges loom

The rules as written could complicate plans in nearly a dozen states where Republicans in control of the governorship or legislature have eyed or already adopted proposals to cut taxes, according to Richard Auxier, a state and local budget analyst at the Tax Policy Center, a nonpartisan think tank. That includes Mississippi, Montana, South Carolina, West Virginia and Arkansas, where better-than-expected revenue has led policymakers to weigh new rounds of income tax cuts.

Legislators in other GOP-held states have explored modest measures, such as a plan to curb property taxes in Idaho and to reduce business taxes in New Hampshire, that similarly may be incompatible with the stimulus rules. Even a bipartisan attempt to approve rebates for low-income families in Maryland threatens to imperil local governments’ ability to take advantage of a key portion of the relief package under a strict reading of the stimulus law.

“The more you study it, the more unclear it becomes,” said John L. Valentine, the tax commissioner of Utah, where lawmakers earlier this month finalized a series of tax cuts.

Top Republican attorneys general similarly blasted the law’s uncertainty in their letter to Yellen sent Tuesday. The GOP leaders said the vague wording of the law could essentially “prohibit tax cuts or relief of any stripe, even if wholly unrelated to and independent of the availability of relief funds.” They demanded the Treasury Department to explain its implementation plans by March 23.

In Washington, meanwhile, Idaho’s two GOP senators introduced a bill this week that would eliminate the tax restriction from the American Rescue Plan. Sen. Mike Crapo (R) said in a statement that the stimulus “infringes on states’ authority to design their own fiscal policies, and invites partisan politics into federal and state relations.”
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Poll: 72 percent approve of Covid relief law - POLITICO

Poll: 72 percent approve of Covid relief law
Support is nearly universal among Democrats and strong among independents, while GOP voters are split.

The coronavirus relief and stimulus legislation signed into law by President Joe Biden last week is earning high marks from voters, according to a new POLITICO/Morning Consult poll.
More than seven in 10 voters, 72 percent, support the new law, the poll shows — far greater than the paltry 21 percent who oppose it.
Support is nearly universal among Democrats — 95 percent — and strong among independents at 69 percent. Despite the law’s earning no support from Republicans in Congress, GOP voters are split in the new poll: 44 percent support it, and 48 percent oppose it.

Interviews for the new poll, which was conducted March 12-15, began the day after Biden signed the bill into law. The results should not be compared with previous POLITICO/Morning Consult poll questions about the bill, since those questions described its contents. The new survey asked voters whether they supported or opposed “the $1.9 trillion coronavirus relief package that President Biden signed into law.”
 

hanimmal

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Makes good sense for them to challenge that especially if they were already plans to do tax cuts. They shouldn't have pay the fed back.... the fed is using the everyone's money, everyone's state deserves some to assist however the state needs
How would these federal funds going to the localities so they can pay their local citizens to do the upgrades needed for things like our schools. And not to tax cuts for the wealthiest in those states, be a bad thing?

Targetted federal spending would be much more efficient. It is not like the old days before we had good enough information to do that. These Republican govenors/AG's are just trolling the people in need in their states.
 

mooray

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People are weird. One question is...
And how much do you support or oppose the following components of the $1.9 trillion coronavirus relief package? Sending direct payments of up to $1,400/person to Americans making up to $75,000 a year
Strongly support 1072 54%
Somewhat support 499 25%
Somewhat oppose 178 9%
Strongly oppose 89 4%
Don’t know / No opinion 155 8%
Then the one right below it is...
And how much do you support or oppose the following components of the $1.9 trillion coronavirus relief package? Extending $300/week unemployment benefits until September 6th
Strongly support 814 41%
Somewhat support 577 29%
Somewhat oppose 223 11%
Strongly oppose 185 9%
Don’t know / No opinion 194 10%
So basically people are in more support of everyone receiving a check even if they've been unaffected, than they are the people actually affected receiving unemployment benefits.
 

Dryxi

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How would these federal funds going to the localities so they can pay their local citizens to do the upgrades needed for things like our schools. And not to tax cuts for the wealthiest in those states, be a bad thing?

Targetted federal spending would be much more efficient. It is not like the old days before we had good enough information to do that. These Republican govenors/AG's are just trolling the people in need in their states.
By stating tax cuts can't happen or you pay it back simply means states that already planned to do tax cuts (states right) no longer can or they do not get the federal funds. It's overreach at that point. If they still gave the states the money, designating where the funds have to go for everyone it would be different but to restrict that much would've pretty hard at the federal level where states need different things.

Edit:I agree states shouldn't use the money for tax cuts but the restriction they placed is overreach
 

hanimmal

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By stating tax cuts can't happen or you pay it back simply means states that already planned to do tax cuts (states right) no longer can or they do not get the federal funds. It's overreach at that point. If they still gave the states the money, designating where the funds have to go for everyone it would be different but to restrict that much would've pretty hard at the federal level where states need different things.

Edit:I agree states shouldn't use the money for tax cuts but the restriction they placed is overreach
From what the White House said that is not the case.

A White House official late Tuesday said Congress had acted appropriately in seeking to stipulate conditions on the federal stimulus funding, emphasizing in a statement the law “does not say that states cannot cut taxes at all.” Rather, the official said, it “simply instructs them not to use that money to offset net revenues lost if the state chooses to cut taxes.”

“So if a state does cut taxes without replacing that revenue in some other way, then the state must pay back to the federal government pandemic relief funds up to the amount of the lost revenue,” the official added.
 

schuylaar

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People are weird. One question is...


Then the one right below it is...


So basically people are in more support of everyone receiving a check even if they've been unaffected, than they are the people actually affected receiving unemployment benefits.
they poll those with land lines- what does that tell you?
 

Fogdog

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People are weird. One question is...


Then the one right below it is...


So basically people are in more support of everyone receiving a check even if they've been unaffected, than they are the people actually affected receiving unemployment benefits.
the two polls had virtually the same levels of support. 79% support direct payment compared to 70% support payment targeted to the unemployed Those are both very strong levels of support. Even if the margin of error is less than 9%, it doesn't seem to be all that important of a difference.

what am I missing?
 

mooray

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I don't know if I'd say you're "missing" something, I'm simply remarking that it's odd *to me* that 79% support the lump payment to everyone regardless of whether or not they've been affected and 9% fewer support ongoing payments to those that actually need it. If anything, I'd expect there to be stronger support for those that have lost their jobs due to poor economic conditions caused by covid, rather than showing stronger support the shotgun approach of giving everyone money whether they've been affected or not.
 

Fogdog

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I don't know if I'd say you're "missing" something, I'm simply remarking that it's odd *to me* that 79% support the lump payment to everyone regardless of whether or not they've been affected and 9% fewer support ongoing payments to those that actually need it. If anything, I'd expect there to be stronger support for those that have lost their jobs due to poor economic conditions caused by covid, rather than showing stronger support the shotgun approach of giving everyone money whether they've been affected or not.
70% support is an amazingly high level of support given the times.

shrug
 
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