PadawanWarrior
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You seem like a smart guy so I'm just wondering why you would want Fuckupzz advice.
browning sugar leaves = time to harvest?
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Wizzlebiz
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I'm cool with everyone. I have no enemies nor issues with anyone. I think everyone has something they can offer to a conversation.
Except bernie..... fuck that guy.
PadawanWarrior
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Hold on a second. I need to pull my head out of my ass. In my defense, I never saw that. I better read the whole thread first next time, lol.
Lucky Luke
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Good breeders dont lie.
But.
Flower times are for the desired pheno or the avg flowering time frame of a selection of phenos from clone in their often optimal grow room.
Some well known breeders post good info such as:
And
But.
Flower times are for the desired pheno or the avg flowering time frame of a selection of phenos from clone in their often optimal grow room.
Some well known breeders post good info such as:
| Heritage: | Black Widow |
| Category: | The Naturals - Old school genetics |
| Family of breed: | Brazilian sativa x South Indian Indica |
| Breeder: | Shantibaba's |
| Preferred medium: | Bio and Hydro, Indoors and outdoors/greenhouse |
| Expected yield: | Indoors 350/450g/m2, G/h and outdoors 300/400 g/plant |
| Flowering period: | Indoor flowering time expect approximately 8-10 weeks. Harvest date in the northern hemisphere should be by the end of Sept to the beginning of Oct and in the southern hemisphere end of March to April. |
| Recommendations: | For the inexperienced grower to the most advanced grower... but it is all in selection. |
| Special Notes: | Numerous growers world wide who know how to grow will have at some time or other had this plant on their grow list. The plant is vigorous and well scented not to mention it frosts up the last weeks of the flowering cycle. Highly recommended |
And
| Heritage: | Afghan skunk |
| Category: | The Naturals - Old school genetics |
| Family of breed: | 50% Afghan, 50 % Skunk#1 |
| Breeder: | Nevil and Shantibaba |
| Preferred medium: | Bio and Hydro, Indoors and outdoors/greenhouse |
| Expected yield: | Due to its Afghan origins and the particular parent plants one would expect between 500-750 grams per square meter |
| Flowering period: | Indoor flowering we found certain plants finishing in 6 weeks but this was extreme...what would be normal would be 7-9 weeks. Grown outside in the Northern Hemisphere early to mid October but watch out for rains...and mould. In the Southern Hemisphere March or early April would be expected. |
| Recommendations: | For the inexperienced growers to the most advanced. Especially for greenhouse growers worldwide or short outdoor seasons. |
| Special Notes: | This hybrid is probably one of the most consistently good alrounders.It has diverse uses and since it was named by Howard as a tribute to the good old days...well what more is there to add? |
Wizzlebiz
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You know what.. I misspoke.
Seed banks not breeders lie about flowering time. They will claim 8 weeks when that is obviously not going to be the case.
lusidghost
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I'm by no means an expert and I don't know what you're setup is, but you clearly went too hard on one if not multiple factors. My earlier comment about rocking it until the wheels fall off is probably pretty accurate. You were racing harvest time against outer indications that were slowly moving inward. Instead of any serious attempts to correct the issues, you just kept to the feeding chart, kept the same light intensity, kept the same CO2 levels, ect ect. I can't fault you, I've been there. I bet sometimes your harvests are coming out close to perfect, and other times they are very crispy like those first pictures.
You're getting big, pretty, potent buds, which you may or may not admit could be bigger and prettier and more potent, but consistent plant health is an issue that you're not really too concerned with at this point because your results are horrible. And that's fine. I'm not trying to hate on your grow. Just try to aim for a faded sunset and not a scorched earth.
PadawanWarrior
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I would be hesitant to listen to LuckyDouche, lol.
Seed banks get their info from the breeders.
lusidghost
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This has been brought up a few times lately, but there are two scales. One starts on flip, and the other starts when the plants begins forming true buds. So 8 weeks is actually 10 weeks. I have had supposed 6 week photoperiod strains, which would be 8, but they ended up being closer to 9 from flip.
PadawanWarrior
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I would think a good breeder could spell mold too, lol.
Lucky Luke
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Its English....
Mould is the British spelling for "mold" — the stuff you find growing on old bread or the container you use to create your jello masterpieces. Living mould is like “mildew,” it's a type of fungus that grows on damp or decaying matter. Mould can also mean a “caste” used to shape a hardening liquid.
Overgrowtho
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@lusidghost It was a weird situation because instead of dialing down the organic nutes/temp/co2 I just kept it at full speed. Since I had a second plant that was late to enter flowering and a 3rd that looked nowhere near finished. So I kept the room at full-on. Perhaps that is what caused the issues of dead leaves and late maturity.
Now that I've cut down all but 1 plant, I actually want to to finish quicker (in order to get my next batch in there). Thus I've just greatly reduced the temperature, cut off co2 supplementation and will only do light waterings without added amendments going forth.
I suppose this will encourage the final Blue Cheese I have in there, to finish in the next week or 2 instead of longer, but lets see. It has already been going for 10 weeks! That Blue cheese is looking very weird with yellow leaves and buds are less dense than I would like. It stretched like hell at the beginning of flower (I think it stayed in veg due to a small light on my aircon that I later covered).
One factor as well, is that I have perhaps too much light. In the 4x4x4 I've got 720 watts of quantum board LEDs. It's beyond the upper limit in the center, and at the limit (cannabis can handle) around the edges. To the point where the wedding cake had some bleaching on the top of some buds from time to time, in the center of the room.
Now that I've cut down all but 1 plant, I actually want to to finish quicker (in order to get my next batch in there). Thus I've just greatly reduced the temperature, cut off co2 supplementation and will only do light waterings without added amendments going forth.
I suppose this will encourage the final Blue Cheese I have in there, to finish in the next week or 2 instead of longer, but lets see. It has already been going for 10 weeks! That Blue cheese is looking very weird with yellow leaves and buds are less dense than I would like. It stretched like hell at the beginning of flower (I think it stayed in veg due to a small light on my aircon that I later covered).
One factor as well, is that I have perhaps too much light. In the 4x4x4 I've got 720 watts of quantum board LEDs. It's beyond the upper limit in the center, and at the limit (cannabis can handle) around the edges. To the point where the wedding cake had some bleaching on the top of some buds from time to time, in the center of the room.
Lucky Luke
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I actually contacted a few breeders. Kevin Jodry and Shanti. Both agreed that by far the majority of breeders go by flip. Its to much bother trying to go by anything else.
Wizzlebiz
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Yea see this is what you need to really understand.
You can't force it to finish on your timeline. All you will do is slow down the process and probably stall it completely. It's not the way to go about this.
Nutrient lockout will stall your plant.
lusidghost
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Sorry, in my last post I meant to say "your results aren't horrible" instead of horrible.
This is all very honest. I respect that. I had some pretty wicked burns on a few of my plants during my last cycle. I changed up nutes and substrates, and couldn't figure out what was causing the issues, so I did the old "just let me make it home before the car dies" strategy. I feel like I got a little too complacent because I was getting good results, so when things started to fall apart I used it as motivation to take my understanding to the next level. I'd like to consider myself a master at some point, and you'll never get there by just going through the motions and saying "good enough" when they are less than perfect.
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lusidghost
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I'm sure a lot if not most do, but the times line up pretty dead on if go with the true flower. So either way, add two weeks and it will probably be close.
lusidghost
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I saw this pwn coming.
Lucky Luke
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He is a stupid fk. lol
Lucky Luke
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yep. Key is the clone part, they finish faster and a dialed in sealed room, also finishes faster.
Overgrowtho
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@Wizzlebiz Well I tried to NOT finish on my timeline (8 weeks) by keeping it at full speed, and I got the above results with dead leaves.
(What you advised to do, right?)
Now I am trying to opposite...
(What advised not to do).
So which is it?
And what are you referring to about the cause of a nute lockout?
Might be pH, over watering etc. I dont think its any of those however maybe it is. I been feeding a lot of organic aerated tea, top dressing. Watering about .5-1 gallons per day.
(What you advised to do, right?)
Now I am trying to opposite...
(What advised not to do).
So which is it?
And what are you referring to about the cause of a nute lockout?
Might be pH, over watering etc. I dont think its any of those however maybe it is. I been feeding a lot of organic aerated tea, top dressing. Watering about .5-1 gallons per day.
lusidghost
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I pretty much like everyone in general. There was one dude who I was going back and forth with for a few days, but I can't remember who it was because we ended up becoming friendly during the last battle. Sometimes it's fun to have a nemesis though.