Cloning in flower

Apostatize

Apostatize

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What happens when you take cuts from a plant that's already started flowering? Will the clone flower? Faster? Will yield be positively or negatively affected? Toss it? It's still pretty young, but it continues to have those little beginner buds while in veg light cycle. Weird.

I had second thoughts about discontinuing a strain and took a cut from a plant that had just barely started flowering. The clone lived, but it's tentatively on my toss pile (it didn't make my starting rotation anyway). That day, I'd also cut a clone shaped line a ring with two rooting ends and it lived ... just messing around.
 
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green_machine_two9er

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Apostatize said:
What happens when you take cuts from a plant that's already started flowering? Will it flower? Faster? Will yield be positively or negatively affected? Toss it?

I had second thoughts about discontinuing a strain and took a cut from a plant that had just barely started flowering. The clone lived, but it's tentatively on my toss pile (it didn't make my starting rotation anyway). That day, I'd also cut a clone shaped line a ring with two ends and it lived ... just messing around.
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Monster cropping is pretty common. I like to do it due to space constraints.
The resulting clones typically have shorter node spacing, and other than that pretty similar to clones taken veg plant. Sometimes weird single leaves will pop up. I might be able to dig up some old pictures.
 
Apostatize

Apostatize

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Ohhh, that's "monster cropping." If I recall, I'd only recently figured out "super cropping." Cool, that complements my low, flat canopy approach (via cork-hook trellising); and, this round, extremely close LEDs. That's going to take some balls until I get used to it.... I might just take 2 cuts from each seed line I have in one round, select phenotypes, and use the 2nd cut clone solely for monster-cropping (i.e., introduce it to flowering just so I can monster-crop it into 5-10 clones). Is that right? That definitely sounds like something worth pursuing! Trying to eke out all of the efficiencies I can before investing in CO2 tanks and buying additional fans.
 
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green_machine_two9er

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Apostatize said:
Ohhh, that's "monster cropping." If I recall, I'd only recently figured out "super cropping." Cool, that complements my low, flat canopy approach (via cork-hook trellising); and, this round, extremely close LEDs. That's going to take some balls until I get used to it.... I might just take 2 cuts from each seed line I have in one round, select phenotypes, and use the 2nd cut clone solely for monster-cropping (i.e., introduce it to flowering just so I can monster-crop it into 5-10 clones). Is that right? That definitely sounds like something worth pursuing! Trying to eke out all of the efficiencies I can before investing in CO2 tanks and buying additional fans.
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Il honestly not following your logic on taking the cuts into flower. The only time I would say it makes since is if you have no room for a mother. Or you fucked up and need to last ditch take clones to preserve genetics.

I wouldn’t advise it as apractice other than those two situations. It does slow rooting down some Ibe seen.

Can cause slow revegging growth. Possible lose a few weeks waiting around
 
hotrodharley

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Not worth the effort for less experienced growers or folks with a small grow who are out of bud before the next crop is chopped. Interesting project but there’s better uses of time and space. Same for revegging a plant that finished flowering.
 
Apostatize

Apostatize

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I was willing to try it -- anything to reach my yield goal -- but it's not my preference. About mothers ... even though I have a "final list" of strains, I'm still going to have 8 strains (4 indica-dom, 4 sativa-dom). Plus, I went back and got better genetics for most of the strains on my final list. So, I've still got to whittle down phenotypes. I have a spreadsheet for that, I'll get there. But I don't think I have room for 8 mothers: I have 2 dedicated veg stations and 2 dedicated flowering areas (2 rooms total, tent flowering times are staggered ~1 month apart); and dry/cure are done together in a separate room at 60% humidity, < 60F.

Until now, I haven't had time to track phenos. I was just glad to keep like 15+ strains going until I decided what I liked (while working my day job). I tend to make things more difficult before I have an efficiency breakthrough.
 
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Apostatize

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And I'm not trying to increase flowering time. If that's what happens, I don't need it. Ideally, I can get ~4 harvests/year. We'll see.
 
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Newgrow31

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Id say dont i currently have 4 going at the moment
It takes longer growth is weired and difficult to apply lst
 
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Apostatize

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No issue with LST, wasn't sure whether to throw away a clone I'd cut from a flowering plant. Love LST -- a must with LEDs. I made like 500 reusable cork-hooks. I like the precision of it, and apparently free-swinging limbs -- trained with weight resistance -- deal better with wind/they're stronger branches.
 
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Apostatize said:
No issue with LST, wasn't sure whether to throw away a clone I'd cut from a flowering plant. Love LST -- a must with LEDs. I made like 500 reusable cork-hooks. I like the precision of it, and apparently free-swinging limbs -- trained with weight resistance -- deal better with wind/they're stronger branches.
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got any pics of these cork-hooks? sounds interesting
 
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Apostatize

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Yes, I may have posted them on another thread. Some of my blocks are slightly damaged -- substituted Pargro for Grodan and the structural integrity of Grodan is better. There are 10 plants crammed in there now (2 in the back in blue buckets are extra -- one's a Grape Ape and the 1 in the corner is an Animal Cracker -- 2 branches broke off and the remaining 2 branches are at a 90 degree angle -- corner plant).

I can still remove the racks if stretch gets out of hand, adding 6-7". And if it gets real crazy, I can remove the pallet they're sitting on. There's a wrap-around shelf underneath and space in the middle for racks. Had success in this small area before, I'm just trying to eliminate popcorn buds.

This is from Day 1 flowering. Lights were on maybe 15 minutes.

The 8 on racks are Gorilla Cookies, Bruce Banner (1.0, 2.0 next round), Animal Crackers, and Larry Bird (aka Gelato).
 

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It's still kind of messy. This is my first attempt using this technique. One or two I'd lollipopped and you can see the bare node areas. But they'll serve as a comparison for bud size. So, I kept the one or two in there.
 
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DukeFluke

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The truth about taking clones in flower is; they're the same as any other clone once you've revegged it, and that you should reveg it properly then cut away all the straggly messy growth and keep only the branches that you intend to use. keeping everything isn't monster cropping, it's a mess that'll yield you a load of shit bud and be a haven for pests.

They seem to root in the same amount of time, but then you have to factor in the time it takes to properly reveg, which can be a couple to a few weeks.
 
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Newgrow31

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DukeFluke said:
The truth about taking clones in flower is; they're the same as any other clone once you've revegged it, and that you should reveg it properly then cut away all the straggly messy growth and keep only the branches that you intend to use. keeping everything isn't monster cropping, it's a mess that'll yield you a load of shit bud and be a haven for pests.

They seem to root in the same amount of time, but then you have to factor in the time it takes to properly reveg, which can be a couple to a few weeks.
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Spot on
 
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DukeFluke said:
The truth about taking clones in flower is; they're the same as any other clone once you've revegged it, and that you should reveg it properly then cut away all the straggly messy growth and keep only the branches that you intend to use. keeping everything isn't monster cropping, it's a mess that'll yield you a load of shit bud and be a haven for pests.

They seem to root in the same amount of time, but then you have to factor in the time it takes to properly reveg, which can be a couple to a few weeks.
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i agree 100% the main reason I do it is i take the cuts in week 3 of flower and by the time harvest is ready then they go straight into the flowering room and yes i manicure the crap out of them but I do think its easier because I dont have to top them they just grow like 30 tops all by theirself
 
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