Bakersfield
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I've read the MDS sheets and there are no heavy metals. These compounds are formed from pure crystals that are crushed for use.
OK, WHO HAS THE FATTEST BUDS AND USES BLOOM BOOST TO GET THERE
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jonnynobody
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An informed buyer gets the best product every time. Kudos to you for doing your homework!
ColoradoHighGrower
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This appears to be controversial though. Here is an interesting post by @Rurumo with link to CA database that says the opposite wrt Jack's versus GH. A lot of data to sift through on the database there:The primary reason to avoid PK boosters is that most fertilizer companies use what's called "technical grade" fertlilizer. It's cheap. Dirt cheap. P and K by their nature are naturally contaminated with all sorts of heavy metals. They're filthy fucking elements. Now a good fertilizer company that knows what they're doing insists that their suppliers of raw elements that go into their bags of fertilizer contain zero heavy metals. Sure, it costs more to do this but it ensures the food and medicine you're growing with that fertilizer isn't contaminated with heavy metals that can have severe health consequences. And since we dry and smoke the flesh of the plants we're growing ensuring our base fertilizers are heavy metal free is probably the most important decision you will ever make in your garden. Keeping heavy metals out of your lungs is the primary benefit, but what also happens? Your pot burns better. It tastes better. It's not as harsh to smoke. It's downright more enjoyable, and a better quality medicine when it is free of all heavy metals.
When I started growing hydroponically I used General Hydroponic's flora series with their Koolbloom PK booster. The flowers were absolutely gorgeous. THC Bomb. And they were so harsh to smoke that the product was nearly unusable. It burned to a hard charcoal. Clean gray ash? Yeah, not even close. Every bowl had to be dug out with a paper clip because of the awful heavy metal contamination. The smoked scorched my throat. And this is something that most of us who have patronized a store front dispensary have experienced at one time or another. Tons of 'Dro grown pot that tastes like chemicals and is harsh as can be to smoke. But man it looked great in the jar at the dispensary. Even smelled amazing too! You can't smell or see heavy metals in the plant's tissue though can you? You will taste it though and you will feel it in your throat. You will see your bowl burn poorly to a hard charcoal. Those are the heavy metals contaminating your ash. Lovely eh?
When I tried Jack's 5-12-26 a couple years after my THC Bomb debacle I grew in the same water to waste hydro buckets, but ditched general hydroponic's fertilizer and omitted any use of any PK booster at all whatsoever. Just Jack's 5-12-26, epsom salt, and calcium nitrate PH adjusted to 5.8 at 1.6-1.8 EC. The strain was gg#4 grown under a single ended 600w HPS. I hit .75GPW and the pot tasted amazing! It burned beautifully to a clean gray ash. And it was an outright pleasure to enjoy. Then I switched to GH's maxi grow and bloom, because I thought cannabis specific fertilizer was going to make my pot better. For over a year I used maxi and could not figure out why my pot didn't taste as amazing as it did when I was using jack's 5-12-26. I asked around and got nowhere. I started reading and got somewhere. Heavy metal contamination in the fertilizer industry is pervasive and ugly. I learned that it is of paramount importance that you are using a professional grade fertilizer that is free of heavy metals, and that means purchasing from a reputable company that knows what they're doing. I switched my entire garden over to jack's about 10 weeks ago. I just harvested a blue dream grown under 360w Geyapex COB LED light, and had a chance to smoke 2 flowers that were dry enough to burn down yesterday. Oh my god I cannot tell you how relieved I was when I inhaled and tasted no chemical flavor. The smoke was smooth and flavorful. I attribute this to my choice in using a heavy metal free fertilizer. Jack's does use technical grade fertilizer, but they test all of their raw components for heavy metals to ensure they are free of any contamination. This means Jack's sources their raw ingredients from quality suppliers that remove those heavy metals, so they do not wind up in our food and medicine. Jack's does this, because jack's knows what they're doing.
I believe in using a balanced fertilizer from start to finish. I do not believe bloom boosters to be necessary. However, I also do not believe them to be harmful if sourced from a reputable company that ensures that extra P and K is 100% heavy metal free. And the problem is only a few companies are spending the extra money to do this. If you're going to experiment with P and K boosters buy it from a company like Jack's. At least then you have confidence knowing your P and K isn't loaded with disgusting heavy metals that will negatively impact your flavor, burn qualities, and ultimately your health.
Word to your mother homie
Source: https://www.health.state.mn.us/communities/environment/risk/studies/metals.html
"Hello all,
Have you guys ever seen the little disclaimer on a bottle of nutes that says something like "heavy metal content listed on aapfco.org?" Well, I finally decided to go there and then they direct you to one of the state databases, which basically have all the same numbers https://apps1.cdfa.ca.gov/fertilizerproducts/. Out of sheer curiosity I started looking up all of the nutrients I use and have used in the past, as well as the more popular current brands, and some of the numbers were shocking. First of all, the numbers they provide are in PPM-parts per million-and to be honest, there is no safe amount of cadmium in PPM-it should be ND-not detectable. I would also say the same thing about arsenic, though that one is a little tricky since a lot of inorganic arsenic is more or less bound up and harmless....BUT....there is still no excuse to have ANY in a fertilizer product. Allowing any detectable amounts of these heavy metals, which have built up to dangerous levels in American farm soils over the past 70 years, is inexcusable, and due to sheer corporate greed and or apathy. There is a recent study linking the cadmium levels now common in American farmland to various cancers-the link between brassica crops, which really love to suck up the cadmium, and breast cancer is particularly strong.
What really irritates me is when a company like JR Peters who makes the Jack's nutrients, claim that their products are free of heavy metals as a major selling point, then you go and look them up and they actually have above average levels of arsenic and cadmium. Rather than list the products that are loaded with these, I'll give you a few that I've used in the past, and now will certainly use again, that have no detectable levels of arsenic and cadmium-Age Old Grow, Bloom, and Sweet Finish, Dyna Gro Foliage Pro (that one surprised me), a few other Dyna Gro products, and Neptune's Harvest Fish formula-that's it. Those are the only arsenic and cadmium free "primary" nutrients that I've used, or could find, that had no detectable levels of arsenic and cadmium. There are plenty of seaweed, micro nutrient, and fulvic type products that fit the bill too.
How concerned should you be about this? Probably not very. For me it's more about the principle of the thing. These companies could easily sell us heavy metal free products, that don't build up in our bodies and our soil year after year, and still make a profit...but instead they choose not to. Instead, they buy even cheaper, tainted, raw materials just to incrementally pad their profit margins. And the one's that choose to blatantly lie about it, like JR Peters, should be called out on their BS. If you care about this topic at all, send your favorite nutrient companies an email and let them know it's important to you.
Ruru"
jonnynobody
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I run water to waste hydro buckets. I can't add organic ingredients to my reservoir or buckets. Bad things happen very quickly
Bakersfield
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I am not claiming to be an expert, but from my understanding, most of the heavy metal contamination is found in the micronutrients.
We definately don't need to be smoking any additional contaminants in addition to what we are already exposed to in our environment.
jonnynobody
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Wow thank you for posting that! And Thanks to @Rurumo for the original workup! I'm being rushed outside by an impatient grand daughter right now, so I'm going to read up on this on my phone while I'm outside. I'll post again later. Thanks again!
jonnynobody
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Looking good there brother! Nice buds!
Jjgrow420
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hey no knock on ur stuff it looks good but buds are small. could be genetic or lack of light either way were talking about fat dongers like swollen looking. bloom boosters high in p-k will accomplish that. idc who laughs at it or not truths in the puddin.
im totally against using products like jacks but thats just me. doesnt make me right or wrong just my choice and opinion is all
jonnynobody
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I appreciate the back handed compliment
The one picture of the single blue dream is a test I did for Hortibloom under their 360w Geyapex COB unit. I agree. The flowers are small. However, that's not my flower room. That's just a fun test I did for Hortibloom in exchange for a free light. You didn't ask what week of flower I was in before you knocked the size of the buds in my flower room. That's okay. I forgive the oversight. You were in a hurry to throw out that back handed compliment after all
Those were photos from week 3 of flower of my current cycle. Here are photos from my last cycle near harvest:
jonnynobody
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@Jjgrow420 Flower size is genetic assuming the garden is equipped with appropriate lighting for the space. Some strains grow golf balls. Some strains grow donkey dicks. It's not your growing prowess or what PK booster you use that determines flower size. I'm sorry if this information is inconvenient to your preconceived notions.
No PK boosters:
No PK boosters:
Jjgrow420
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ya man i wasnt trying to be a knob.
every one uses their own thing and thats fine. i run high par and my plants stack so they can take it.
ill have to agree to disagree with the growing process and pk boosters statement. diff strains may require diff methods to make them produce. and giving them more light and food will certainly make them larger.
your flowers ARE nice. but its nothing like a 2ltr pop bottle or anything and pretty sparse underneath. thats all i was saying.
i mean theres a pic of a paperclip behind one and its only about double the width. also a reg garden stake which its maybe double the width so i mean its not really that huge.
jonnynobody
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Running a higher intensity light doesn't allow you to run a higher concentration of fertilizer. It's actually the opposite. Different strains definitely do require different methods of training. They all require the same macro and micro elements. Some may require heavier amounts of calcium or magnesium, but when running a professional fertilizer like jack's 5-12-26 at 1.6-1.8EC no strain should require anything additional. Jack's is a complete fertilizer when used as part of the 3-2-1 system with epsom salt and calcium nitrate.
Again, flower size is strain dependent. If you want soda pop sized buds then you grow a heavy producing strain like Big Bud or Skunk #1 that genetically are capable of producing 2 liter soda bottle sized buds. No matter how many back handed compliments you send my way the fact is genetics determines flower size when the flower room is properly setup with appropriate lighting and environment. I'm sorry if this is an inconvenient fact for you to accept.
jonnynobody
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Another way for me to explain this to you is using humans as an example. A male ballerina and a female ballerina that fuck and have a kid will never have a kid that grows up to be a 350lb defensive linemen for the NFL. Do you understand what I'm saying here? Genetics determine size. Plants are no different big guy. You're welcome.
If you are picking out a bloom booster you need to pay careful attention to the name. It needs to have a really cool sounding trendy name. It should also have high quality labeling. Labels should be printed on a high quality of vinyl or directly on the bottle. The colors should be bright, ideally printed in hexachrome, not crappy four color process. Probably like a 300 line screen. Black bottles are preferable since this makes the colors on the label pop out. If it's a black bottle it should have a white underprint or label to keep the colors vibrant.
Make sure that the cap has a plastic ring sealing it and that the seal is unbroken. Then put it on a shelf, in the dark, no UV light exposure. If you are lucky, in twenty or thirty years it will be considered a collectors item and worth a lot of money on ebay in a future where people have realized that most of this shit is just marketing and the plants could give a fuck about it.
Make sure that the cap has a plastic ring sealing it and that the seal is unbroken. Then put it on a shelf, in the dark, no UV light exposure. If you are lucky, in twenty or thirty years it will be considered a collectors item and worth a lot of money on ebay in a future where people have realized that most of this shit is just marketing and the plants could give a fuck about it.
Jjgrow420
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lol ok then
good luck with your grow
go go kid
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i assumed that was a given
pulpoinspace
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should rename this thread the bro-science adventure thread
grow for quality
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grow for quality
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Rurumo
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If you really want to know whether any fertilizer product contains heavy metals, you have to look up the third party testing required by law in a few states: https://apps1.cdfa.ca.gov/fertilizerproducts/. WA and Oregon have similar websites, and the results vary.
jonnynobody
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I'd laugh and walk away from this conversation too. Seems like your most valuable contribution thus far.