Nectar of the gods vs earth juice

Does anyone have any experience with these nutrient lines I want to go full organic and I'm not sure which one to go with or if the local hydroponics store guy is just trying to get me to buy the nectar for the gods but I do hear good things of course Earth juice is cheaper.
Thanks guys
 

quiescent

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Nectar of the God's is a better product, for sure. Are you planting in something like roots or ffof? Might be cheaper to try top dressing every few weeks and a light weekly feed of the Nectar if you don't feel comfortable making your own teas.

You could easily top dress with something like roots dry organic mix and some Malibu or Coast of Maine compost a few times and supplement/add life back with the bottles and save some dough.

EJ isn't bad, it's just a 20 year old product.
 

Rurumo

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Hello there! I'd just like to point out one thing regarding these two product lines, and that is, they are both fairly high in heavy metals. I recommend looking up each product you intend to use here first-https://apps1.cdfa.ca.gov/fertilizerproducts/ this is the third party testing required by law in certain states like CA, WA, and OR. If you want to use a liquid organic product, I recommend Bio Bizz, which is totally free of heavy metals. An even better choice would be to mix up a custom soil blend, and to check each amendment you use in it for heavy metals, but that requires a lot more work and research. Good luck to you!
 

Jeffislovinlife

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Hello there! I'd just like to point out one thing regarding these two product lines, and that is, they are both fairly high in heavy metals. I recommend looking up each product you intend to use here first-https://apps1.cdfa.ca.gov/fertilizerproducts/ this is the third party testing required by law in certain states like CA, WA, and OR. If you want to use a liquid organic product, I recommend Bio Bizz, which is totally free of heavy metals. An even better choice would be to mix up a custom soil blend, and to check each amendment you use in it for heavy metals, but that requires a lot more work and research. Good luck to you!
Wasn't going to but I've got to ask are you from California?
 
Hello there! I'd just like to point out one thing regarding these two product lines, and that is, they are both fairly high in heavy metals. I recommend looking up each product you intend to use here first-https://apps1.cdfa.ca.gov/fertilizerproducts/ this is the third party testing required by law in certain states like CA, WA, and OR. If you want to use a liquid organic product, I recommend Bio Bizz, which is totally free of heavy metals. An even better choice would be to mix up a custom soil blend, and to check each amendment you use in it for heavy metals, but that requires a lot more work and research. Good luck to you!
Thank you for taking the time to write that I'm always looking to go fully organic and going fully organic does mean putting in more work so I think I may actually go with the bio biz it sounds like both companies are a little deceptive when it comes to organic as far as high metals go and I think we can all agree no one wants to eat drink smoke or ingest any heavy metals haha.
What can you tell me about bio biz to send this rookie Gardner down a rabbit hole in YouTube land?
Are there any other really good organic brands that you like you seem to know what you're talking about any mykos companies you recommend?
 
Nectar of the God's is a better product, for sure. Are you planting in something like roots or ffof? Might be cheaper to try top dressing every few weeks and a light weekly feed of the Nectar if you don't feel comfortable making your own teas.

You could easily top dress with something like roots dry organic mix and some Malibu or Coast of Maine compost a few times and supplement/add life back with the bottles and save some dough.

EJ isn't bad, it's just a 20 year old product.
I know what you mean about the 20 year old product I did a little research last night you know how it is sometimes you get bored and then YouTube and Google come along haha.
They haven't made any new posts on their YouTube pages and it seems like they've kind of fallen off the map as far as I can tell except for their main web page which is sparse so I can see how a company like nectar is able to come in and just push them aside easily.
My real plan is to try out that foxfarm strawberry Fields for a couple autos and a couple of photos just to see how it goes a lot of people are saying that this might be the new soil to go with because of the high PK levels and then you can adjust the end to your liking so it doesn't burn any particular strain.
The other soils I'm hoping to run an experiment with to find what works best for my lifestyle and budget would be living organic soil I think it's called and they have a photo and auto line that you can mix into a product like Happy frog and I think there's a few other steps but that's the basic idea is you're deluding something I imagine that has a little heat to it I just want to stay organic and the more research I do now I think what I'm looking to do is a vegan grow but it seems like that might be the cleanest healthiest way to grow anything but I don't think that's really caught on yet lol
 

quiescent

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rootwise for the mykos type stuff

I'd say rurumo is right that if you're really wanting to do it right you'd do your own mix and teas/top dressings. I didn't suggest that because that's not what you asked but that's what you should do if you really wanna go all in and have the time/money to do it right.

Nothing wrong with a training wheels grow with bottles on standby, that's why I suggested what I did. It would be a transition, not a new practice for you to adopt. Getting a feel for what you need in organics takes a bit to be proactive, not reactive which is where the training wheels comes in.

I don't know how green your thumb is and how good your environment is. That being said it would be a lot harder to fuck up a modern coots mix than all this experimenting with bagged soils you just detailed. The experimenting has largely been done for you, just try to replicate for a while.

You'd probably spend the same money on a buildasoil starter kit as you would with everything you just detailed, with reliable results.

Million ways to skin a cat.

I used Espoma bio-tone as my only nutrient amendment with weekly compost teas for YEARS at scale and grew great shit.

Rurumo might point out that it's laden in heavy metals and from a lot of ag garbage but I ran ultra marathons while/after smoking pounds of this, no issues yet. Unless you're growing and caring for everything you eat and source your water from a clean ground spring at elevation you've got bigger fish to fry than what's in your fertilizer that you feed miniscule amounts of, it probably doesn't end up in your flower in an amount that causes harm.

I'm not saying that it's not a potential issue, some plants do absorb lots of metals while others in the same medium/feed absorb none. We are all blissfully ignorant of the effects of most things involving this plant, the research hasn't been done... just extrapolating and spit balling imo.

People get fixated on small picture stuff and let it rule their lives and push it upon you, truly trying to help you out.
 

Relaxed

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following. Getting hard to find Seabird guano as I used forever from sunleaves in poop pellet form now out of business. So easy a spoonfull every 2 weeks w super results. Just started trying Jobe organics bulb ammending with a small spoon full of what I have left of sunleaves seabird. I noticed a sweet yellow very healthy color on leaf veins using jobe I am digging the results.
 

Rurumo

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Wasn't going to but I've got to ask are you from California?
Nope! I just use that website a lot lately. I only wanted to point out the heavy metal angle because I was once a fresh faced young urban farmer hoping to produce the cleanest, dankest buds possible until I found out the dirty secret about the heavy metal load in organics. Don't get me wrong, it's a universal problem in American agricultural soils, mineral salt fertilizers, and organic fertilizers-with a few exceptions. My thoughts are, from a risk reduction standpoint, we should be more concerned about heavy metal accumulation than pesticide residues. I thought that by purchasing organic fertilizers I'd be doing something generally "good" for my body and the planet, when it was actually a huge downgrade from the mineral salt fertilizers I was using-Maxibloom- in terms of heavy metal content.

I love organics, but now I research every single product, soil, or amendment that I use. Some of the most surprising sources of heavy metal contamination are rock dusts, kelp, earthworm casings, and diatomaceous earth. I even check my perlite for 3rd part analysis. These companies are profit mongers and will cut every corner to squeeze an extra dime out of us.
 

Rurumo

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Thank you for taking the time to write that I'm always looking to go fully organic and going fully organic does mean putting in more work so I think I may actually go with the bio biz it sounds like both companies are a little deceptive when it comes to organic as far as high metals go and I think we can all agree no one wants to eat drink smoke or ingest any heavy metals haha.
What can you tell me about bio biz to send this rookie Gardner down a rabbit hole in YouTube land?
Are there any other really good organic brands that you like you seem to know what you're talking about any mykos companies you recommend?
Sorry, I actually don't know very much about Bio Bizz other than reviewing it's heavy metal content. I've seen some nice grow journals using it, but honestly, I'm not a fan of bottled nutrients in general. I can see the appeal to a new grower, but eventually, we all put down the bottles and switch to dry fertilizers or homemade soil mixes + amendments. Sorry, didn't mean to be a negative nancy and drop a bomb on your thread-if you ever want to look into other ways of growing organically without the bottles, this is a great thread https://forum.grasscity.com/threads/no-till-gardening-revisited.1400505/ but even if you follow the soil recipe here, I check everything in it for heavy metals. I've had to replace some ingredients with substitutions-for example, there is no ground kelp that isn't shockingly high in arsenic. I know a person with a small commercial grow that has had batches of his product rejected due to failed heavy metal testing-arsenic in particular-and it turned out to be the huge amount of kelp meal he uses. Just an fyi, you CAN find liquid kelp that is free of arsenic though, so it must be removed during the extraction process. Anyway, good luck!
 

Jeffislovinlife

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Nope! I just use that website a lot lately. I only wanted to point out the heavy metal angle because I was once a fresh faced young urban farmer hoping to produce the cleanest, dankest buds possible until I found out the dirty secret about the heavy metal load in organics. Don't get me wrong, it's a universal problem in American agricultural soils, mineral salt fertilizers, and organic fertilizers-with a few exceptions. My thoughts are, from a risk reduction standpoint, we should be more concerned about heavy metal accumulation than pesticide residues. I thought that by purchasing organic fertilizers I'd be doing something generally "good" for my body and the planet, when it was actually a huge downgrade from the mineral salt fertilizers I was using-Maxibloom- in terms of heavy metal content.

I love organics, but now I research every single product, soil, or amendment that I use. Some of the most surprising sources of heavy metal contamination are rock dusts, kelp, earthworm casings, and diatomaceous earth. I even check my perlite for 3rd part analysis. These companies are profit mongers and will cut every corner to squeeze an extra dime out of us.
It's just that you are the second piercing to say something about heavy metals in nectar of the Gods I was showing this 16177304430101417055065.jpgand talking about making some hash out of some Jack hair and they said something about it
 

Rurumo

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It's just that you are the second piercing to say something about heavy metals in nectar of the Gods I was showing this View attachment 4872463and talking about making some hash out of some Jack hair and they said something about it
Oh yeah, NFTG uses some extraction method for kelp that leaves a lot of the arsenic in. Look up Bloom Khaos (i think it's called) in that database, it's almost as high as ground kelp. Arsenic in seaweed has been linked to cancer in Japan, but those studies don't really prove a causal relationship, but still, if you have the choice between some arsenic or no arsenic, why not go with none? Cadmium is even worse, there is no "safe" amount of cadmium in fertilizers. We'll probably never know how many cancers are caused by cadmium in our agricultural soils. There is some interesting research linking cadmium in broccoli to breast cancers. Broccoli is a dynamic bio-accumulator, like cannabis, so it really sucks up the trace amounts of cadmium in our soil. It's so freaking sad, all these health conscious women out there eating broccoli every day, even ORGANIC broccoli, and increasing their risk of breast cancer.
 
Sorry, I actually don't know very much about Bio Bizz other than reviewing it's heavy metal content. I've seen some nice grow journals using it, but honestly, I'm not a fan of bottled nutrients in general. I can see the appeal to a new grower, but eventually, we all put down the bottles and switch to dry fertilizers or homemade soil mixes + amendments. Sorry, didn't mean to be a negative nancy and drop a bomb on your thread-if you ever want to look into other ways of growing organically without the bottles, this is a great thread https://forum.grasscity.com/threads/no-till-gardening-revisited.1400505/ but even if you follow the soil recipe here, I check everything in it for heavy metals. I've had to replace some ingredients with substitutions-for example, there is no ground kelp that isn't shockingly high in arsenic. I know a person with a small commercial grow that has had batches of his product rejected due to failed heavy metal testing-arsenic in particular-and it turned out to be the huge amount of kelp meal he uses. Just an fyi, you CAN find liquid kelp that is free of arsenic though, so it must be removed during the extraction process. Anyway, good luck!
I'm definitely looking to understand plants better and if that means I have to put down my crutch of bottles so I can understand how the microorganisms and all of it is really alive in the soil and if you know what you're adding and when you should add it then the sky is the limit. One day lol
I'll check out at growjournal you sent me that looks like it'll be a fun read and send me down the YouTube rabbit hole haha.
 
Oh yeah, NFTG uses some extraction method for kelp that leaves a lot of the arsenic in. Look up Bloom Khaos (i think it's called) in that database, it's almost as high as ground kelp. Arsenic in seaweed has been linked to cancer in Japan, but those studies don't really prove a causal relationship, but still, if you have the choice between some arsenic or no arsenic, why not go with none? Cadmium is even worse, there is no "safe" amount of cadmium in fertilizers. We'll probably never know how many cancers are caused by cadmium in our agricultural soils. There is some interesting research linking cadmium in broccoli to breast cancers. Broccoli is a dynamic bio-accumulator, like cannabis, so it really sucks up the trace amounts of cadmium in our soil. It's so freaking sad, all these health conscious women out there eating broccoli every day, even ORGANIC broccoli, and increasing their risk of breast cancer.
That sounds awful no joke no arsenic for me or other chemicals please I know I'm probably talking out of my ass right now but as little as I do know I hear look for the vegan blend of organics whether it be dry or bottled that's the one true organic method. Or so I'm told ha.
 
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