What it's like to get an antivaxxer to an immunization clinic:Yes, but in that scenario the number of virions in the infected person will be far less, as anti-bodies are already present to kill them and prevent replicating/copying and surviving in the host. Still possible to mutate in an infected yet vaccinated person sure, just billions of times bigger chance that happens in someone who’s not vaccinated. In the extreme rare scenario it would, that vaccinated person would be far less likely to spread it.
Well I suppose the only answer to that is nothing is perfect. I deal with a ton of information about this since I work in a hospital so get daily updates and weekly town hall meetings about it. Moderna is supposed to be 94.1% effective, Pfizer is supposed to be 95%. So technically yes there is still a chance to get the virus if you are vaccinated and it could mutate. I would take a 5% chance over a 100% chance and did. I get people's concerns though, hell I did not want this vaccine. I don't want any vaccine or pharmaceutical being put into my body. I took it because I did the math, decided it's not just about me and it seemed like the logical choice given the alternative. Not everyone will come to that conclusion and everyone is entitled to their opinion. While I don't agree with those who won't take the vaccine I still respect their concerns and rights to choose. The issue becomes when those who choose not to, being the minority, start to endanger the rest. That's when things get tricky. Sadly I have no good solution to this issue.But isn't the theory with the current vaccine that one can still get infected, but not develop symptoms? In this scenario, the virus may still mutate even in unvaccinated individuals. That's what I've heard according to some experts in the vaccine field anyway.
Hell no. Not a chance. I believe everyone is entitled to make their own decision on this one and that's mine. I don't try to talk family out of it, or claim to have any proof it could be harmful. I simply don't inject things into myself for any reason. I've never gotten flu shots and I get the flu WAY less frequently than all the people around me who do get shots. I believe we (collectively) today place too much hope and trust in pharmaceutical companies, across the board. I don't trust them at all personally. I think that humanity has been deliberately steered away from very effective, natural remedies for countless ailments in favor of a quick fix, take a pill and forget about it mindset. I think attention needs to be shifted to the fact that these pharmaceutical companies are not in the game for our well being, but instead they're in it for money, and prolonging illness. Just look at how long marijuana has been kept "illegal", and think about how many different ailments medical patients claim it helps them with. Big pharma has absolutely played a part in keeping that very effective natural remedy out of our hands in favor of their pills for everything you can think of. Now, am I going to inject something these same companies rushed thru production and trials into my veins? Hell no. Politics and all that crap aside. That's how I feel about it.Complicated question maybe but let's not make it too difficult.
Assume that you trust the science and clinical trials.
The Corona Virus vaccine is here - are you taking it?
Just a side note, this particular vaccine has been in the works for over 2 decades and it not specific to Covid-19. It is not he same as any other vaccine that has been created. So saying it was rushed through production is not really factual.Hell no. Not a chance. I believe everyone is entitled to make their own decision on this one and that's mine. I don't try to talk family out of it, or claim to have any proof it could be harmful. I simply don't inject things into myself for any reason. I've never gotten flu shots and I get the flu WAY less frequently than all the people around me who do get shots. I believe we (collectively) today place too much hope and trust in pharmaceutical companies, across the board. I don't trust them at all personally. I think that humanity has been deliberately steered away from very effective, natural remedies for countless ailments in favor of a quick fix, take a pill and forget about it mindset. I think attention needs to be shifted to the fact that these pharmaceutical companies are not in the game for our well being, but instead they're in it for money, and prolonging illness. Just look at how long marijuana has been kept "illegal", and think about how many different ailments medical patients claim it helps them with. Big pharma has absolutely played a part in keeping that very effective natural remedy out of our hands in favor of their pills for everything you can think of. Now, am I going to inject something these same companies rushed thru production and trials into my veins? Hell no. Politics and all that crap aside. That's how I feel about it.
You have no immunity to coronavirus.Hell no. Not a chance. I believe everyone is entitled to make their own decision on this one and that's mine. I don't try to talk family out of it, or claim to have any proof it could be harmful. I simply don't inject things into myself for any reason. I've never gotten flu shots and I get the flu WAY less frequently than all the people around me who do get shots. I believe we (collectively) today place too much hope and trust in pharmaceutical companies, across the board. I don't trust them at all personally. I think that humanity has been deliberately steered away from very effective, natural remedies for countless ailments in favor of a quick fix, take a pill and forget about it mindset. I think attention needs to be shifted to the fact that these pharmaceutical companies are not in the game for our well being, but instead they're in it for money, and prolonging illness. Just look at how long marijuana has been kept "illegal", and think about how many different ailments medical patients claim it helps them with. Big pharma has absolutely played a part in keeping that very effective natural remedy out of our hands in favor of their pills for everything you can think of. Now, am I going to inject something these same companies rushed thru production and trials into my veins? Hell no. Politics and all that crap aside. That's how I feel about it.
Sure. The good news is that covid has been on a stead decline since mid-January, even before vaccines began to roll out. Not too dissimilar to what happened with Polio many years ago.True. The vaccines are not 100% effective at preventing infection. They are somewhere around 90% effective. It's not a theory, it's a fact. They are good enough that if we can get somewhere between 75% and 85% of the population vaccinated, it will end the current epidemic. The longer we take to achieve those rates, the greater chance that a new and much worse variant will restart the whole cycle that we've just gone through.
200,000 people died in the US in just the last three months. I'd like to see that number for the last three months go to zero or nearly so. Don't you?
Actually the antibodies which are present from the vaccination are specific to a certain strain, which means that when a new strain comes in, they may not be protective against the new strain. This is according to vaccine experts.Yes, but in that scenario the number of virions in the infected person will be far less, as anti-bodies are already present to kill them and prevent replicating/copying and surviving in the host. Still possible to mutate in an infected yet vaccinated person sure, just billions of times bigger chance that happens in someone who’s not vaccinated. In the extreme rare scenario it would, that vaccinated person would be far less likely to spread it.
But the new vaccine is not the same. It is designed to trigger your body to produce a protein cap in order to build an immunity to it, not the actual virus. Because of this it should be effective for all covid stains as they all share that protien cap so if your body kills it than covid should be toothless. It is unlike any vaccine ever made. Now that also makes it scarier but still, not the same. Or at least that's what the medical team said at the town hall meeting.Actually the antibodies which are present from the vaccination are specific to a certain strain, which means that when a new strain comes in, they may not be protective against the new strain. This is according to vaccine experts.
It takes effort to miss the point by that much. They may not, so far they have, and they’ll likely will, and that’s just part of the result of vaccination (training your immune system to create anti-bodies faster another). Your suggestion was the virus may still mutate in someone who’s vaccinated and shows no symptoms. That indicates that person was successfully vaccinated and has a working immune system. Which in turns means that person will not produce the same large amount of virus particles as someone who is not vaccinated and has symptoms, and for a far shorter period. It’s not complicated, chances the virus mutates in an unvaccinated sick person is much larger than in a vaccinated infected person without symptoms. In addition to the vaccinated infected person without symptoms having a far lower chance of spreading the virus than an unvaccinated infected person.Actually the antibodies which are present from the vaccination are specific to a certain strain, which means that when a new strain comes in, they may not be protective against the new strain. This is according to vaccine experts.
Thank you for your speculation, even if it's incorrect.It takes effort to miss the point by that much. They may not, so far they have, and they’ll likely will, and that’s just part of the result of vaccination (training your immune system to create anti-bodies faster another). Your suggestion was the virus may still mutate in someone who’s vaccinated and shows no symptoms. That indicates that person was successfully vaccinated and has a working immune system. Which in turns means that person will not produce the same large amount of virus particles as someone who is not vaccinated and has symptoms, and for a far shorter period. It’s not complicated, chances the virus mutates in an unvaccinated sick person is much larger than in a vaccinated infected person without symptoms. In addition to the vaccinated infected person without symptoms having a far lower chance of spreading the virus than an unvaccinated infected person.
Long story short, the more people who get vaccinated, the less mutations and variants.
Thank you for your speculation, even if it's incorrect.
I'm the guy who tells the dept heads who's in their departments. I let the audio dept head tell their audio hands when to push the speakers. No need for me to micromanage them. I only need to step in where there are issues.Stick to pushing speakers around the hall then.
Oh shit, did I somehow venture into the politics section. OOPS.Stick to pushing speakers around the hall then.
soon you won't be able to get into a public venue or airplane without a covid vaccineJust as a FYI for those of you who think the current vaccines should be mandatory, that's not legally possible as the vax is currently under Emergency Use Authorization, and anything approved by the FDA under that category may not be mandated.
Emergency Use Authorization for Vaccines Explained
FDA explains the Emergency Use Authorization for Vaccineswww.fda.gov