Will You Take The Vaccine?

[PJ Diaz]

That's the gov't though. When was the last time you shopped at a gov't grocery store, or went to a gov't concert?

LOL, my main source of income is "government concerts" as you like to call them.

 

[Dryxi]

That's the gov't though. When was the last time you shopped at a gov't grocery store, or went to a gov't concert?

Do you forsee grocery stores doing vaccine passports? That's a little different than asking people to wear a mask. People might start buying from farmers again lol

 

[captainmorgan]

Well they sent my friend home with a big oxygen machine and some tanks for if she needs to go out. She is extremely sick but they sent her home because they have many sicker patients and needed the bed.

 

[StonedGardener]

Will never forget the goo-goo eyed rubber legged Tommy Hearns after Hagler coldcocked him w/ that trademark leaping right hand that he sometimes threw, an unforgettable moment in time.ccguns

What was the old line about Hagler....." Destruction and Destroy ".........great fights.

 

[mooray]

Do you forsee grocery stores doing vaccine passports? That's a little different than asking people to wear a mask. People might start buying from farmers again lol

Shit, let's hope! Large scale corporatized food/ag is a huge reason why I'd be interested in leaving the US.

 

[Fogdog]

I have mixed feelings on that subject. While I appreciate the my body my choice concept I also think there is the group we decide to live among to think about. Why should the group allow someone to keep a deadly virus around and give it a chance to mutate which would destroy the whole process? It's a tough one, seriously, as I see both sides of that argument and they are both valid.

It's still an individual choice although social pressure might be needed to nudge hesitant people.

Once everybody has had access and time to get vaccinated, we may see more of what is already being done in California. Listening to a ball game yesterday, the announcers told the audience that people have to bring more than a valid ticket to get in to live games. They either need to show they have been vaccinated or have been tested and are clear of the infection.

SF announces guidelines for fans at Oracle

The Giants on Thursday released new health and safety guidelines for fans who are planning to attend games at Oracle Park this year. Under the public health order issued by San Francisco’s Acting Health Officer, Dr. Susan Philip, the Giants have received approval to operate the ballpark at up to

www.mlb.com

In order to gain entry, all fans 12 years or older will be required to take a COVID-19 test with negative results or provide proof of a full COVID-19 vaccination.
If testing, the Giants strongly encourage fans to take a PCR-type test rather than a rapid antigen test. Test results must be received within 72 hours of the first game fans plan to attend during a homestand at Oracle Park.
Fans can present an electronic or paper copy of their negative COVID-19 test results at the entrance gates or provide proof of full vaccination, which is defined as the completion of the two-dose regimen of Pfizer or Moderna vaccines or one dose of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine. Vaccinated fans will also need to be at least two weeks removed from their final dose to meet the entry requirements.


Harsh reality is that this country's economy will not recover from the epidemic so long as there is an epidemic. Businesses have good reason to start making vaccination a work requirement. As the Giants have shown, large venues may start making that kind of requirement too. I can see the other side of the argument too and I see every reason why the decision to get vaccinated should be a personal one. On the other hand, I don't see why that means we have to put up with covid infected people in our midst when we don't have to.

 

[Budzbuddha]

I think we need a vaccine for skankyness ...
Bushmeat

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1379533533887217670

And no that’s not Amy Poehler

 

[Fogdog]

LOL, my main source of income is "government concerts" as you like to call them.

I don't see anything wrong with insisting that people should either show they have been tested or vaccinated in order to attend. It's their body and their choice but it is not their right to bring their disease into the venue.

 

[PJ Diaz]

I don't see anything wrong with insisting that people should either show they have been tested or vaccinated in order to attend. It's their body and their choice but it is not their right to bring their disease into the venue.

Yes, testing is a good alternate option. In fact in the CA entertainment industry, based on the info put out by the CDPH this week, there is to be "weekly worker testing programs" implemented under certain conditions and dependent upon color tier level. I'm just not clear as to how exactly that's supposed to work. Outside of my full time gig at the College, I'm also a member of the local stage hand's union, and we have members dispatched to multiple employers all the time, sometimes upon very short notice, so unclear as to how the testing program will be implemented across multiple employers. The typical union stage hand gets between 20 and 30 different w-2's at the end of the year, and as the union is not the employer, I'm not sure that testing can be the union's responsibility. In truth, the legislators have very little clear understanding about how the live entertainment industry works.

 

[Fogdog]

Do you forsee grocery stores doing vaccine passports? That's a little different than asking people to wear a mask. People might start buying from farmers again lol

I'm for it. I'd like to be able to go to the store and shop for my groceries normally again.

 

[PJ Diaz]

I'm for it. I'd like to be able to go to the store and shop for my groceries normally again.

How would you expect grocery stores to work around those with religious exemptions?

 

[Fogdog]

Yes, testing is a good alternate option. In fact in the CA entertainment industry, based on the info put out by the CDPH this week, there is to be "weekly worker testing programs" implemented under certain conditions and dependent upon color tier level. I'm just not clear as to how exactly that's supposed to work. Outside of my full time gig at the College, I'm also a member of the local stage hand's union, and we have members dispatched to multiple employers all the time, sometimes upon very short notice, so unclear as to how the testing program will be implemented across multiple employers. The typical union stage hand gets between 20 and 30 different w-2's at the end of the year, and as the union is not the employer, I'm not sure that testing can be the union's responsibility. In truth, the legislators have very little clear understanding about how the live entertainment industry works.

Your industry will not recover from the epidemic as long as there is an epidemic. Harsh reality. I saw nothing that is insurmountable in your comment, just reluctance.

 

[Doug Dawson]

The only issue I see is unprotected people being there for the virus to infect. Once infected the virus can mutate and make the whole vaccination process a waste of time. That is my biggest fear with this. The problem is there is no good solution that can take everyone's personal issues into account. I respect peoples right to choose but also my right to keep thoese around me safe. This whole thing is a giant shit sandwich for all, no matter our personal beliefs.

 

[PJ Diaz]

Your industry will not recover from the epidemic as long as there is an epidemic. Harsh reality. I saw nothing that is insurmountable in your comment, just reluctance.

I never said that it was insurmountable. I will only be cumbersome, and difficult to implement when it comes to the reality of the industry. It's not like most stagehands lead a normal life where they work for one employer, and clock in from 9 to 5 monday thru friday. Our work is very nuances, and as such we need nuanced guidance, not broad brush strokes.

 

[PJ Diaz]

The only issue I see is unprotected people being there for the virus to infect. Once infected the virus can mutate and make the whole vaccination process a waste of time. That is my biggest fear with this. The problem is there is no good solution that can take everyone's personal issues into account. I respect peoples right to choose but also my right to keep thoese around me safe. This whole thing is a giant shit sandwich for all, no matter our personal beliefs.

But isn't the theory with the current vaccine that one can still get infected, but not develop symptoms? In this scenario, the virus may still mutate even in unvaccinated individuals. That's what I've heard according to some experts in the vaccine field anyway.

 

[Fogdog]

How would you expect grocery stores to work around those with religious exemptions?

It can be handled.

When Employers Can Require COVID-19 Vaccinations

As COVID-19 vaccines become available, many employers will have a strong case for requiring employee vaccinations, so long as their vaccination policies have certain exceptions, are job-related and consistent with business necessity, legal experts say.

www.shrm.org

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"Employers may require vaccines before employees return to the worksite if the failure to be vaccinated constitutes a direct threat to other employees in the workplace because the virus is rampant and easily transmitted in the workplace," said Robin Samuel, an attorney with Baker McKenzie in Los Angeles. Exceptions must be made for employees who cannot be vaccinated because of disabilities or due to sincerely held religious beliefs, he added. Employers do not have to accommodate secular or medical beliefs about vaccines.

"Some companies will have strong justifications to require their employees to be vaccinated," according to Gary Pearce, chief risk architect for Aclaimant, a safety and risk management firm in Chicago, and Jody McLeod, an attorney with McLeod Legal Solutions PLLC in Charlevoix, Mich., in an e-mail. "The more likely it is that nonvaccinated employees put customers, fellow employees or the general public at risk, the more compelling the case will be for a vaccination mandate."

So, a Jesus Freak says they won't get vaccinated. Fine, their job description changed and they no longer can work with the public or around somebody who is immune deficient and CAN'T be vaccinated. Employers can always fire people and claim it was for a different reason.

It is a hard fact for some to swallow but the economy won't recover from the epidemic until the epidemic is over.

 

[captainmorgan]

I plan on wearing a mask in public for the next two years at least, it's not that big of a deal to be safer.

 

[Fogdog]

But isn't the theory with the current vaccine that one can still get infected, but not develop symptoms? In this scenario, the virus may still mutate even in unvaccinated individuals. That's what I've heard according to some experts in the vaccine field anyway.

True. The vaccines are not 100% effective at preventing infection. They are somewhere around 90% effective. It's not a theory, it's a fact. They are good enough that if we can get somewhere between 75% and 85% of the population vaccinated, it will end the current epidemic. The longer we take to achieve those rates, the greater chance that a new and much worse variant will restart the whole cycle that we've just gone through.

200,000 people died in the US in just the last three months. I'd like to see that number for the last three months go to zero or nearly so. Don't you?

 

[Fogdog]

I never said that it was insurmountable. I will only be cumbersome, and difficult to implement when it comes to the reality of the industry. It's not like most stagehands lead a normal life where they work for one employer, and clock in from 9 to 5 monday thru friday. Our work is very nuances, and as such we need nuanced guidance, not broad brush strokes.

You guys are smart enough to figure it out. The only ingredient needed is the will to do so.

 

[Sativied]

But isn't the theory with the current vaccine that one can still get infected, but not develop symptoms? In this scenario, the virus may still mutate even in unvaccinated individuals. That's what I've heard according to some experts in the vaccine field anyway.

Yes, but in that scenario the number of virions in the infected person will be far less, as anti-bodies are already present to kill them and prevent replicating/copying and surviving in the host. Still possible to mutate in an infected yet vaccinated person sure, just billions of times bigger chance that happens in someone who’s not vaccinated. In the extreme rare scenario it would, that vaccinated person would be far less likely to spread it.