PJ Diaz
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LOL, my main source of income is "government concerts" as you like to call them.That's the gov't though. When was the last time you shopped at a gov't grocery store, or went to a gov't concert?
LOL, my main source of income is "government concerts" as you like to call them.That's the gov't though. When was the last time you shopped at a gov't grocery store, or went to a gov't concert?
Do you forsee grocery stores doing vaccine passports? That's a little different than asking people to wear a mask. People might start buying from farmers again lolThat's the gov't though. When was the last time you shopped at a gov't grocery store, or went to a gov't concert?
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Shit, let's hope! Large scale corporatized food/ag is a huge reason why I'd be interested in leaving the US.Do you forsee grocery stores doing vaccine passports? That's a little different than asking people to wear a mask. People might start buying from farmers again lol
It's still an individual choice although social pressure might be needed to nudge hesitant people.I have mixed feelings on that subject. While I appreciate the my body my choice concept I also think there is the group we decide to live among to think about. Why should the group allow someone to keep a deadly virus around and give it a chance to mutate which would destroy the whole process? It's a tough one, seriously, as I see both sides of that argument and they are both valid.
I don't see anything wrong with insisting that people should either show they have been tested or vaccinated in order to attend. It's their body and their choice but it is not their right to bring their disease into the venue.LOL, my main source of income is "government concerts" as you like to call them.
Yes, testing is a good alternate option. In fact in the CA entertainment industry, based on the info put out by the CDPH this week, there is to be "weekly worker testing programs" implemented under certain conditions and dependent upon color tier level. I'm just not clear as to how exactly that's supposed to work. Outside of my full time gig at the College, I'm also a member of the local stage hand's union, and we have members dispatched to multiple employers all the time, sometimes upon very short notice, so unclear as to how the testing program will be implemented across multiple employers. The typical union stage hand gets between 20 and 30 different w-2's at the end of the year, and as the union is not the employer, I'm not sure that testing can be the union's responsibility. In truth, the legislators have very little clear understanding about how the live entertainment industry works.I don't see anything wrong with insisting that people should either show they have been tested or vaccinated in order to attend. It's their body and their choice but it is not their right to bring their disease into the venue.
I'm for it. I'd like to be able to go to the store and shop for my groceries normally again.Do you forsee grocery stores doing vaccine passports? That's a little different than asking people to wear a mask. People might start buying from farmers again lol
How would you expect grocery stores to work around those with religious exemptions?I'm for it. I'd like to be able to go to the store and shop for my groceries normally again.
Your industry will not recover from the epidemic as long as there is an epidemic. Harsh reality. I saw nothing that is insurmountable in your comment, just reluctance.Yes, testing is a good alternate option. In fact in the CA entertainment industry, based on the info put out by the CDPH this week, there is to be "weekly worker testing programs" implemented under certain conditions and dependent upon color tier level. I'm just not clear as to how exactly that's supposed to work. Outside of my full time gig at the College, I'm also a member of the local stage hand's union, and we have members dispatched to multiple employers all the time, sometimes upon very short notice, so unclear as to how the testing program will be implemented across multiple employers. The typical union stage hand gets between 20 and 30 different w-2's at the end of the year, and as the union is not the employer, I'm not sure that testing can be the union's responsibility. In truth, the legislators have very little clear understanding about how the live entertainment industry works.
I never said that it was insurmountable. I will only be cumbersome, and difficult to implement when it comes to the reality of the industry. It's not like most stagehands lead a normal life where they work for one employer, and clock in from 9 to 5 monday thru friday. Our work is very nuances, and as such we need nuanced guidance, not broad brush strokes.Your industry will not recover from the epidemic as long as there is an epidemic. Harsh reality. I saw nothing that is insurmountable in your comment, just reluctance.
But isn't the theory with the current vaccine that one can still get infected, but not develop symptoms? In this scenario, the virus may still mutate even in unvaccinated individuals. That's what I've heard according to some experts in the vaccine field anyway.The only issue I see is unprotected people being there for the virus to infect. Once infected the virus can mutate and make the whole vaccination process a waste of time. That is my biggest fear with this. The problem is there is no good solution that can take everyone's personal issues into account. I respect peoples right to choose but also my right to keep thoese around me safe. This whole thing is a giant shit sandwich for all, no matter our personal beliefs.
It can be handled.How would you expect grocery stores to work around those with religious exemptions?
True. The vaccines are not 100% effective at preventing infection. They are somewhere around 90% effective. It's not a theory, it's a fact. They are good enough that if we can get somewhere between 75% and 85% of the population vaccinated, it will end the current epidemic. The longer we take to achieve those rates, the greater chance that a new and much worse variant will restart the whole cycle that we've just gone through.But isn't the theory with the current vaccine that one can still get infected, but not develop symptoms? In this scenario, the virus may still mutate even in unvaccinated individuals. That's what I've heard according to some experts in the vaccine field anyway.
You guys are smart enough to figure it out. The only ingredient needed is the will to do so.I never said that it was insurmountable. I will only be cumbersome, and difficult to implement when it comes to the reality of the industry. It's not like most stagehands lead a normal life where they work for one employer, and clock in from 9 to 5 monday thru friday. Our work is very nuances, and as such we need nuanced guidance, not broad brush strokes.
Yes, but in that scenario the number of virions in the infected person will be far less, as anti-bodies are already present to kill them and prevent replicating/copying and surviving in the host. Still possible to mutate in an infected yet vaccinated person sure, just billions of times bigger chance that happens in someone who’s not vaccinated. In the extreme rare scenario it would, that vaccinated person would be far less likely to spread it.But isn't the theory with the current vaccine that one can still get infected, but not develop symptoms? In this scenario, the virus may still mutate even in unvaccinated individuals. That's what I've heard according to some experts in the vaccine field anyway.