Will You Take The Vaccine?

[DIY-HP-LED]

yea but it isn't a "vaccine" in the traditional sense of that word

doesn't help you from catching it and spreading it

only person that it "might" help is yourself - so there's really no point in excluding anybody who chooses not to get the shot

That is not true, mRNA vaccines are safer and more effective than traditional ones, they also stop the spread by making sure you don't get it, these are facts and they are online for all to see, even the homework behind them. The small percentage of vaccinated people who do get it are usually asymptomatic and much less contagious. mRNA vaccine technology has been around for a decade and used for cancer treatment. Start reading some science and facts and stop relying on your "feelings". Also stop spreading dangerous disinformation and sheer bullshit.

 

[HaroldRocks]

That is not true, mRNA vaccines are safer and more effective than traditional ones, they also stop the spread by making sure you don't get it, these are facts and they are online for all to see, even the homework behind them. The small percentage of vaccinated people who do get it are usually asymptomatic and much less contagious. mRNA vaccine technology has been around for a decade and used for cancer treatment. Start reading some science and facts and stop relying on your "feelings". Also stop spreading dangerous disinformation and sheer bullshit.

but you don't REALLY know that

you only know what you read online

 

[mooray]

I think people are discovering for the first time that traditional vaccines trigger a response from cells that contain DNA and they're confusing that cellular response with gene editing, which is the process of actually replacing defecting/unwanted genes.

 

[HaroldRocks]

Cool, that's actually pretty close isn't it? Basically doing the same thing, but without using the actual Covid cells..?

well then you have this happening right now:

Health officials on Thursday paused COVID vaccinations at a Wake County, North Carolina, site after 18 people experienced adverse reactions to the Johnson & Johnson (J&J) single-dose shot.


The report followed Wednesday’s news that a J&J vaccine site in Colorado shut down after 11 people experienced reactions, and two were hospitalized.


According to a Wake County press release, more than 2,300 J&J vaccines were administered at the PNC Arena clinic in Raleigh. Eighteen patients suffered immediate adverse reactions and were evaluated by Wake County emergency medical personnel. Fourteen were treated on site and four people were transported to area hospitals.


Wake County officials and the North Carolina Department of Health and Human Services made the decision to pause vaccinations after consulting with the vaccine manufacturer. Both teams said they would investigate the issue.

 

[captainmorgan]

They started developing mrna technology in the mid 1990's

 

[mooray]

well then you have this happening right now:

Health officials on Thursday paused COVID vaccinations at a Wake County, North Carolina, site after 18 people experienced adverse reactions to the Johnson & Johnson (J&J) single-dose shot.


The report followed Wednesday’s news that a J&J vaccine site in Colorado shut down after 11 people experienced reactions, and two were hospitalized.


According to a Wake County press release, more than 2,300 J&J vaccines were administered at the PNC Arena clinic in Raleigh. Eighteen patients suffered immediate adverse reactions and were evaluated by Wake County emergency medical personnel. Fourteen were treated on site and four people were transported to area hospitals.


Wake County officials and the North Carolina Department of Health and Human Services made the decision to pause vaccinations after consulting with the vaccine manufacturer. Both teams said they would investigate the issue.

That's actually totally normal. It's just that some people are learning things for the first time and so it feels like something new.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

it is not - it's a viral vector


Viral vector-based vaccines differ from most conventional vaccines in that they don’t actually contain antigens, but rather use the body’s own cells to produce them. They do this by using a modified virus (the vector) to deliver genetic code for antigen, in the case of COVID-19 spike proteins found on the surface of the virus, into human cells. By infecting cells and instructing them to make large amounts of antigen, which then trigger an immune response, the vaccine mimics what happens during natural infection with certain pathogens - especially viruses. This has the advantage of triggering a strong cellular immune response by T cells as well the production of antibodies by B cells. An example of a viral vector vaccine is the rVSV-ZEBOV vaccine against Ebola.

Include the link to the text and put it in quotes, so it seems your are a candidate for the killed virus Chinese vaccine, the one without the clinical trials behind it. There are over a hundred vaccine candidates using different approaches, only the very best have been approved in America and they are all viral vector vaccines that cause the body to produce spike proteins

How do vector vaccines work? (covid19infovaccines.com)

 

[HaroldRocks]

you're taking a risk either way

so it depends on what risk you'd rather go with

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

but you don't REALLY know that

you only know what you read online

Yep just like I know the sun will rise tomorrow, you either have a grasp on realty or you do not. The world is online and we are all limited by our personal experience. If you went to college a whole world would have been opened up that you are ignorant of, shit finishing high school would have helped!

 

[PJ Diaz]

They started developing mrna technology in the mid 1990's

They started developing "the internet" in the 1960's, but it wasn't really ready for prime time until some time after 2000.

 

[HaroldRocks]

That's actually totally normal. It's just that some people are learning things for the first time and so it feels like something new.

Ok - and it's also totally normal that some ppl might die from covid or end up in the hospital....but at least 90% won't right?

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

you're taking a risk either way

so it depends on what risk you'd rather go with

You don't know much about risk assessment, one is several orders of magnitude more dangerous than the other. You can't tell the difference between the bug at your feet and the lion at your throat.

 

[PJ Diaz]

Yep just like I know the sun will rise tomorrow, you either have a grasp on realty or you do not. The world is online and we are all limited by our personal experience. If you went to college a whole world would have been opened up that you are ignorant of, shit finishing high school would have helped!

I work full time at the same college my degree is from. I can count multiple instructors who disagree with your assessments.

 

[mooray]

Ok - and it's also totally normal that some ppl might die from covid or end up in the hospital....but at least 90% won't right?

People die all the time from all sorts of normal medicine, including vaccines. Heck, I'm sure plenty of people died on their way to work this morning. There's probably a 0.05% risk in almost anything we do. I knew a lady that had a quadriplegic husband, he just slipped in the shower.

I think you're confusing what the 90% number represents. You can still catch Covid and spread it, but if you've taken a vaccine, you reduce your likelihood of experiencing severe symptoms requiring hospitalization by anywhere from 85-92%, depending on which vaccine you've taken.

 

[HaroldRocks]

You don't know much about risk assessment, one is several orders of magnitude more dangerous than the the other. You can't tell the difference between the bug at your feet and the lion at your throat.

but you can?


look your argument for the shot is really no different than the other side's argument for not getting the shot

i mean @mooray just used the same opposing logic

 

[captainmorgan]

There are idiots in every profession.

 

[HaroldRocks]

People die all the time from all sorts of normal medicine, including vaccines. Heck, I'm sure people died on their way to work this morning.

I think you're confusing what the 90% number represents. You can still catch Covid and spread it, but if you've taken a vaccine, you reduce your likelihood of experiencing severe symptoms requiring hospitalization by anywhere from 85-92%, depending on which vaccine you've taken.

you don't know that

why do you have to wear a mask still after you get the shot? why do you still have to social distance?

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

They started developing "the internet" in the 1960's, but it wasn't really ready for prime time until some time after 2000.

Progress is not linear with the internet or biology, it accelerated over time and expertise, the internet sped up biology and medical science considerably by sharing research in real time among peers all over the globe. When I was younger you had to wait for the peer reviewed journals to come out and they were expensive or accessed through a university library, progress was painfully slow compared to today.

 

[mooray]

you don't know that

why do you have to wear a mask still after you get the shot? why do you still have to social distance?

I just told you why. Because you can still get it and still spread it.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

I work full time at the same college my degree is from. I can count multiple instructors who disagree with your assessments.

That's the great thing about college, the diversity of opinion, but there is a consensus of expert scientific opinion on the matter of vaccines. More importantly there is overwhelming evidence and it is mounting with every shot in an arm, the real world results are coming in.