Xtreme gardening or great white

[budman111]

No.

Exactly.

 

[SnoopyDoo]

Anyone got any proof that a rhizosphere produces a far higher percentage yield on side by side on cloned plants?

On clones I've seen them root faster using beneficial. Did the plants yield more 3 months later - nope. Just rooted faster. I might have cut a 1 week out of the grow.

 

[Rurumo]

Some of the benefits of these products are hard to quantify-many of the rhizobacteria and beneficial fungi promote a SAR/ISR effect, thus helping to prevent disease. I haven't gotten any PM or botrytis since I started using rhizobacteria/bio-fungicides frequently. Do they produce bigger yields? Impossible to say, too many variables, but I do think they've helped prevent disease outbreaks that would have lowered yields, compared to what has happened to me in the past. I live in a challenging outdoor grow environment, so most of my experience with these products are based on how they perform in conditions perfect for PM and budrot, not indoors.

 

[SnoopyDoo]

Why not use a peroxide at a fraction of the cost?

Because I've tried a lot of different things in ~20 years of growing and found beneficials to be more effective for me. I prefer bendficials to Physan, H2O2, FloraShield and any number of other products I've tried over the years. Great White is relatively cheap and you don't have to keep applying it, assuming you don't do something stupid to the root zone. I get much better results cloning with beni's.

 

[Dapper_Dillinger]

Look at the cfu/gram for the rhizobacteria and the propagules/gram for the mycorrhizae. Honestly either is fine-but both are pretty "watered down." Dynomyco has the two strains of mycos that cannabis is actually known to use AND has the highest propagule count on the market afaik. Real Growers Recharge is a good product too for someone just getting into this kind of thing. Be sure you sprinkle any myco product directly on the roots at transplant. Photosynthesis plus is one of my favorite products of this type, though I always use a dry myco product at transplant. Soil blast has high rhizobacteria counts, has trichoderma, and is cheap.

I wish i could use these products in my cannabis grow but i cant risk bring anything with thrichoderma while its good for cannabis possibly, its called the green monster in the myco community for a reason!.. i used great white in the past and is a must when i use dr earth fertilizer

 

[toomp]

Absolutely just saying the test I saw that sounded similar to yours he got at least 2-2.5 times the growth.

It's likely some other factors or completely faked but the test is there and that's what happened.

I havnt watch the video but I know him. I assume he is using some sort of blocks void of Beneficial's already. Adding results in growth.
Put these clones into a pot with soil and compost the smaller plant will both be the same size as the one that got the benes. The smaller plants will reap the missing benefit immediately and simply catch up. Original clone Will not yield more or end 2x the size of the plant that did not get benes as a clone. again they will just be the same size.

He sells this product in his shop and surprised he omitted this information, but again I didnt watch the vide.

 

[toomp]

I wish i could use these products in my cannabis grow but i cant risk bring anything with thrichoderma while its good for cannabis possibly, its called the green monster in the myco community for a reason!.. i used great white in the past and is a must when i use dr earth fertilizer

Back when I 1st started some company called myko something had straight endo/ecto blend only. its still out there.

 

[toomp]

On clones I've seen them root faster using beneficial. Did the plants yield more 3 months later - nope. Just rooted faster. I might have cut a 1 week out of the grow.

Its not making them root faster. Thats not how that works. You are rooting same time as always. You are using a medium void of benes (or very little) to clone. You added benes. When you actually rooted the benes accelerated the root growth past the clones without benes.
They will all catch up to the same size when you prepare your pots, this is what you have seen,
Hence my original post, all the plants turned out the same size.

 

[SnoopyDoo]

Its not making them root faster. Thats not how that works. You are rooting same time as always. You are using a medium void of benes (or very little) to clone. You added benes. When you actually rooted the benes accelerated the root growth past the clones without benes.
They will all catch up to the same size when you prepare your pots, this is what you have seen,
Hence my original post, all the plants turned out the same size.

They clones rooted faster. You can say that's not how it works, but that is what happened. You even say the benes accelerated the root growth past the clones without benes. IMHO if something accelerates past something else, then it is going faster.

 

[Fruity420]

I couldn’t tell any difference using the Great white and growing in coco.
If it made any difference it was minimal, certainly can’t justify the insane price.

Like most things, if it’s marketed towards cannabis, it’s most likely extremely poor value and ridiculously overpriced.

Better value products are available that are aimed at general gardening

 

[toomp]

They clones rooted faster. You can say that's not how it works, but that is what happened.

Its not just me, Its registered studies. Rooting is caused by Temperature, Moisture, and HORMONES. Great white isnt a rooting hormone, a heat mat or a humidity dome. I would expect someone of 20 years experience to know this.

You even say the benes accelerated the root growth past the clones without benes. IMHO if something accelerates past something else, then it is going faster.

Looks like you want to omit information here let me help you.

Its not making them root faster. Thats not how that works. You are rooting same time as always. You are using a medium void of benes (or very little) to clone. You added benes. When you actually rooted the benes accelerated the root growth past the clones without benes.
They will all catch up to the same size when you prepare your pots, this is what you have seen,
Hence my original post, all the plants turned out the same size.

You even said your plants dont yield more, so you are going to have explain faster to me. It isnt yeild, Are you claiming its a ripener now and you finish earlier? 3 month turn around?

On clones I've seen them root faster using beneficial. Did the plants yield more 3 months later - nope. Just rooted faster. I might have cut a 1 week out of the grow.

 

[toomp]

I couldn’t tell any difference using the Great white and growing in coco.
If it made any difference it was minimal, certainly can’t justify the insane price.

Like most things, if it’s marketed towards cannabis, it’s most likely extremely poor value and ridiculously overpriced.

Better value products are available that are aimed at general gardening

waste of money, its the equivalent to a teaspoon of real compost for $30

the shiny sticker theory. You wont go into a reputable green house and their cuttings where done with great white or any other innoculant. Trillions of benes are in the medium.

 

[SnoopyDoo]

Its not just me, Its registered studies. Rooting is caused by Temperature, Moisture, and HORMONES. Great white isnt a rooting hormone, a heat mat or a humidity dome. I would expect someone of 20 years experience to know this.

Looks like you want to omit information here let me help you.



You even said your plants dont yield more, so you are going to have explain faster to me. It isnt yeild, Are you claiming its a ripener now and you finish earlier? 3 month turn around?

I don't know why this is so confusing. My clones rooted faster. Ie clones that would normally be ready to x-plant in 3 weeks are ready to x-plant in 2 weeks. I call that rooting faster. If you want to call something else in a misguided attempt to slam the use of Great White, then go ahead.

 

[SnoopyDoo]

I couldn’t tell any difference using the Great white and growing in coco.
If it made any difference it was minimal, certainly can’t justify the insane price.

Like most things, if it’s marketed towards cannabis, it’s most likely extremely poor value and ridiculously overpriced.

Better value products are available that are aimed at general gardening

4oz of Great White costs ~$20, a bag of worm castings costs about the same. Great White is easier to apply and isn't as heavy to haul around - might even go further if used properly and fits neatly on my shelf. For cloning I apply "a pinch" of GW to my water in the cloning tray. I'd have to brew a tea with compost/castings to use castings during the cloning phase, so that alone makes GW worthwhile in my book. When I x-plant, it's just a tsp/5 gallons of water and I've cut the castings/compost/brewing out of the equation. If you feel GW is so overpriced, then just buy the small bottle and brew up a tea - water and sugar are close to free. BTW, GW also works great for inoculating a compost pile.

I don't know why there seems to be so much "hatred" toward companies that provide useful products to growers at a profit. Maybe that comes from members in more socialized nations (than the US). To me it's an odd attitude. I don't know how much I'm saving by avoiding the dispensary, but I'm sure it easily covered the cost of GW.

 

[toomp]

I don't know why this is so confusing. My clones rooted faster. Ie clones that would normally be ready to x-plant in 3 weeks are ready to x-plant in 2 weeks. I call that rooting faster. If you want to call something else in a misguided attempt to slam the use of Great White, then go ahead.

They didnt root faster.
In non hydroponics 2 weeks is the average rooting time for Clones to plant bud.
You were bad at cloning and now you have average times.

Check around here, its 2 weeks.
You said 20 years of experience?

Man this community has so far to go.

 

[twentyeight.threefive]

Is the hairy stuff on the roots the myco?

 

[SnoopyDoo]

They didnt root faster.
In non hydroponics 2 weeks is the average rooting time for Clones to plant bud.
You were bad at cloning and now you have average times.

Check around here, its 2 weeks.
You said 20 years of experience?

Man this community has so far to go.

You're right - too many know it alls on here. Anybody with any amount of experience would know that different strains root at different rates. Anybody with any experience would know that different cuts will root at different rates.

But if it makes you feel better to criticize others when you know nothing about their grow, the strains they're growing, etc, go for it.

 

[toomp]

You're right - too many know it alls on here. Anybody with any amount of experience would know that different strains root at different rates. Anybody with any experience would know that different cuts will root at different rates.

But if it makes you feel better to criticize others when you know nothing about their grow, the strains they're growing, etc, go for it.

Just let it go. It takes 3-4 weeks to reveg a plant and its taking you the same time frame to clone.
In ALL HONESTY you should be ready to plant in 10 days 2 weeks(14 days) is actually for any stragglers to catch up.

I clone in dwc and can plant in 5 I wait 7 days for any stragglers. 3 weeks you just dont know what the hell you are doing.
Plenty of OG's a Grinspoon, Golden Tiger, Dosi, OGKB Phenos No strain excuses here, just efficiency and plain water

 

[toomp]

4oz of Great White costs ~$20, a bag of worm castings costs about the same. Great White is easier to apply and isn't as heavy to haul around - might even go further if used properly and fits neatly on my shelf. For cloning I apply "a pinch" of GW to my water in the cloning tray. I'd have to brew a tea with compost/castings to use castings during the cloning phase, so that alone makes GW worthwhile in my book. When I x-plant, it's just a tsp/5 gallons of water and I've cut the castings/compost/brewing out of the equation. If you feel GW is so overpriced, then just buy the small bottle and brew up a tea - water and sugar are close to free. BTW, GW also works great for inoculating a compost pile.

I don't know why there seems to be so much "hatred" toward companies that provide useful products to growers at a profit. Maybe that comes from members in more socialized nations (than the US). To me it's an odd attitude. I don't know how much I'm saving by avoiding the dispensary, but I'm sure it easily covered the cost of GW.

You have to be a shill Spamming
You went as far to tell him to use great white instead of worm castings?

That 1 single bag of castings has more benes than the entire storage of great white the store has that you picked it up from.
He saw it dosnt work because he has trillions already in his pots.

Adding great white to organic soil with castings or compost is the equivalent of going to home depot buying a bag of play sand and taking it to the beach....literally.

 

[SnoopyDoo]

You have to be a shill Spamming
You went as far to tell him to use great white instead of worm castings?

That 1 single bag of castings has more benes than the entire storage of great white the store has that you picked it up from.
He saw it dosnt work because he has trillions already in his pots.

Adding great white to organic soil with castings or compost is the equivalent of going to home depot buying a bag of play sand and taking it to the beach....literally.

Read what I posted. I never suggested anybody use GW instead of castings. I never said anybody should GW over other benes. If you bothered to read what I posted, I mentioned I got the same results with other brands.

I explained why I use GW instead of castings. Furthermore, I never suggested anybody use GW with organic soil since that's a giant waste of time and money.