Jimdamick
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Well stated
What has Trump done to this country?
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DIY-HP-LED
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No Megan you need Democrats and liberals to tell you right from wrong because republicans can't figure it out and continue to prove it. Over 80% still support Trump and a majority support voter suppression and corrupt totalitarian government. They are against democracy and that means they are against the constitution of the USA, sorry but a US citizen who opposes the constitution and the rule of law is called a traitor and those who invaded the capital are called seditionists. Live by the lie, die by the lie, tens of thousands of Trumpers have already, along with the innocent.
Unclebaldrick
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My "Office Karen" was playing Diamond and Silk podcasts today.
Lol
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DIY-HP-LED
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Looks like Joe might be sending a message about the conservative SCOTUS doing stupid shit like gutting the voters rights act or banning abortion. If they want to act as a shadow republican government and impede serious reform, the groundwork will be laid for action. It won't appear as a reaction to a decision by the conservative court on an essential issue. By gutting the voting rights act and obviously biased decisions on guns that ignore the text of the constitution itself they will be courting their demise. This is a warning to Roberts to do the right thing or expect some company on the court and to be completely sidelined, perhaps for decades, perhaps for good.
The democrats are gonna push their advantages to the limit and pass legislation that is popular and take other measures to protect democracy and level the political playing field. With Trump gone from the picture, most of the energy of their base will dissipate with a nice old non threatening white man in the WH. These kinds of people operate on feelings and Joe is the kinda guy who grows on ya. I'm hoping Joe will have long coattails in 2022, even though he's not running, the performance of the president counts in midterms, Trump proved that too.
Why study the court if you don't plan to change it or perhaps pressure it. The conservatives on the court have watched their political home immolated by Trump, the republican congress people and the party base. They can follow them to Hell or chart a new course, the future depends on them IMHO. Roberts gutting of the voters rights act by saying it was no longer required needs to be revisited and Roberts needs to be interviewed on it and forced to admit his error publicly or sweat defending it. Events proved him and the conservative court wrong in a most spectacular way with the current crop of voter suppression laws and the obvious anti democratic pattern that has emerged. It seems the new south is the same as the old south and the sickness has spread to where ever they hold power.
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Biden Commission Would Study Possible Supreme Court Reforms : NPR
Biden Sets Up Commission To Study Supreme Court Reform
President Biden signed an executive order Friday setting up a bipartisan commission that will study U.S. Supreme Court reform, and, among other things, examine the size of the court and the lifetime appointment, the White House announced.
"The Commission's purpose is to provide an analysis of the principal arguments in the contemporary public debate for and against Supreme Court reform, including an appraisal of the merits and legality of particular reform proposals," the White House said in a statement. "The topics it will examine include the genesis of the reform debate; the Court's role in the Constitutional system; the length of service and turnover of justices on the Court; the membership and size of the Court; and the Court's case selection, rules, and practices."
The announcement marks the culmination of a campaign promise Biden made when repeatedly pressed on whether he would expand the Supreme Court to pack it with justices more aligned with his worldview. The Democratic candidate said he opposed expanding the court but said he favored the kind of bipartisan commission that the White House unveiled Friday.
The commission will be co-chaired by former White House counsel Bob Bauer and former Deputy Assistant Attorney General Cristina Rodríguez. Its other members include legal and other scholars as well as former federal judges and practitioners who have appeared before the court, advocates for the reform of democratic institutions and of the administration of justice, and experts on constitutional law, history and political science.
Friday's announcement comes amid a debate over the composition of the nine-member court that now has a 6-3 conservative majority. Liberal advocates contend that an expanded Supreme Court would give Biden a real chance to implement a legislative agenda, which will otherwise almost certainly be mired in litigation due to conservative legal challenges.
Biden has rejected the idea of "packing" the court, a view that found gained attention this week when Justice Stephen Breyer, one of the court's three liberals, warned in a speech against an expansion of the Supreme Court.
In a speech at Harvard Law School, Breyer said the court's authority depends on "a trust that the court is guided by legal principle, not politics."
"Structural alteration motivated by the perception of political influence can only feed that latter perception, further eroding that trust," Breyer said.
But as a candidate, Biden also said that if elected, he will convene a national commission to study the court system.
"It's not about court packing," Biden told CBS' 60 Minutes in October. "There's a number of other things that our constitutional scholars have debated, and I've looked to see what recommendations that commission might make."
The White House statement said the bipartisan commission will "hold public meetings to hear the views of other experts, and groups and interested individuals with varied perspectives on the issues it will be examining."
The executive order directs the commission to complete its report within 180 days of its first public meeting.
The democrats are gonna push their advantages to the limit and pass legislation that is popular and take other measures to protect democracy and level the political playing field. With Trump gone from the picture, most of the energy of their base will dissipate with a nice old non threatening white man in the WH. These kinds of people operate on feelings and Joe is the kinda guy who grows on ya. I'm hoping Joe will have long coattails in 2022, even though he's not running, the performance of the president counts in midterms, Trump proved that too.
Why study the court if you don't plan to change it or perhaps pressure it. The conservatives on the court have watched their political home immolated by Trump, the republican congress people and the party base. They can follow them to Hell or chart a new course, the future depends on them IMHO. Roberts gutting of the voters rights act by saying it was no longer required needs to be revisited and Roberts needs to be interviewed on it and forced to admit his error publicly or sweat defending it. Events proved him and the conservative court wrong in a most spectacular way with the current crop of voter suppression laws and the obvious anti democratic pattern that has emerged. It seems the new south is the same as the old south and the sickness has spread to where ever they hold power.
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Biden Commission Would Study Possible Supreme Court Reforms : NPR
Biden Sets Up Commission To Study Supreme Court Reform
President Biden signed an executive order Friday setting up a bipartisan commission that will study U.S. Supreme Court reform, and, among other things, examine the size of the court and the lifetime appointment, the White House announced.
"The Commission's purpose is to provide an analysis of the principal arguments in the contemporary public debate for and against Supreme Court reform, including an appraisal of the merits and legality of particular reform proposals," the White House said in a statement. "The topics it will examine include the genesis of the reform debate; the Court's role in the Constitutional system; the length of service and turnover of justices on the Court; the membership and size of the Court; and the Court's case selection, rules, and practices."
The announcement marks the culmination of a campaign promise Biden made when repeatedly pressed on whether he would expand the Supreme Court to pack it with justices more aligned with his worldview. The Democratic candidate said he opposed expanding the court but said he favored the kind of bipartisan commission that the White House unveiled Friday.
The commission will be co-chaired by former White House counsel Bob Bauer and former Deputy Assistant Attorney General Cristina Rodríguez. Its other members include legal and other scholars as well as former federal judges and practitioners who have appeared before the court, advocates for the reform of democratic institutions and of the administration of justice, and experts on constitutional law, history and political science.
Friday's announcement comes amid a debate over the composition of the nine-member court that now has a 6-3 conservative majority. Liberal advocates contend that an expanded Supreme Court would give Biden a real chance to implement a legislative agenda, which will otherwise almost certainly be mired in litigation due to conservative legal challenges.
Biden has rejected the idea of "packing" the court, a view that found gained attention this week when Justice Stephen Breyer, one of the court's three liberals, warned in a speech against an expansion of the Supreme Court.
In a speech at Harvard Law School, Breyer said the court's authority depends on "a trust that the court is guided by legal principle, not politics."
"Structural alteration motivated by the perception of political influence can only feed that latter perception, further eroding that trust," Breyer said.
But as a candidate, Biden also said that if elected, he will convene a national commission to study the court system.
"It's not about court packing," Biden told CBS' 60 Minutes in October. "There's a number of other things that our constitutional scholars have debated, and I've looked to see what recommendations that commission might make."
The White House statement said the bipartisan commission will "hold public meetings to hear the views of other experts, and groups and interested individuals with varied perspectives on the issues it will be examining."
The executive order directs the commission to complete its report within 180 days of its first public meeting.
Grandpapy
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I'm sorry, sounds like 8hrs of hell.
Fogdog
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Unclebaldrick
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It's actually hilarious to listen to them and know that somebody you work with is thinking it makes sense.
Diamond and Silk are every middle-aged white woman Trumper's best black friend who tells them that racism in America doesn't exist. Until Fox fired them - then they squealed racism.
hanimmal
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Wait, do you mean Russia (since you posted Russian propaganda youtube channel) or America?
DIY-HP-LED
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Did ya get yer jab yet James? At least Joe is coming through for ya, make sure ya got his back covered.
Dryxi
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I wish he would do a commission to add term limits to congressional seats as well. Maybe political stances would evolve a little faster if congress members didn't keep their seats for generations. Would be ironic if Biden proposed that though. He has greatly benefitted from lifelong politics
DIY-HP-LED
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I think the recent events and the behavior of the republican party will cause a shift overtime, in deed, I think it has already happened with some justices. They no longer have a political home and are wandering the wilderness like the other true conservatives or former republicans you see on TV shitting on the party and the crazies. The social conservatives and religious loonies are becoming frustrated and worried lately, they expected much, much more. The capital insurrection made the conservative justices run from the republican party like it was on fire.
DIY-HP-LED
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Experience and professionalism can also come with long service, it depends on the quality of the person. Compare Joe's experienced, professional performance with Trump's amateur hour. Caring about others and taking your responsibilities seriously is vital too, so is loyalty and fidelity to the constitution you have sworn to protect. Joe has all these quality as a president and a human being. To choose Trump over him is to be so biased that it rises to the level of pathology, defined as harming oneself and others, they are willing to fuck themselves to "get" those they hate and fear. They have forgotten what an American patriot is suppose to be, but I doubt most ever really knew in the first place.
Dryxi
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It took effort for Trump to take presidential professionalism so low, saying that politicians need 40 years of experience in the senate to have professionalism.... idk. Politicians could just as easily be a consultant to give that experience. The excuse that we need them to have many years of experience to make laws or negotiate with each other is flimsy.
DIY-HP-LED
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Electing people with character is more important than term limits which are inherently unconstitutional. It is the racism and tribalism that elect the Trumps, Gaetzs, Gohmerts and Cruzes and cause their voters to overlook their many flaws as human beings, much less politicians. Garbage in garbage out, trump proved this, as Joe is proving the opposite, he was in Washington a long time, but he is not a rich man, like so many mysteriously became. Obama had the cleanest administration in recent history and there was more Biden in that administration than most people realize, Joe's vast experience in government populated Obama's administration, he did most of the hiring and knew the most competent people. Obama had good reasons to pick Joe as his VP and knew he was up for the POTUS job and just as smart as him.
Dryxi
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I wish I had a net worth of 9 million to be called not wealthy lol
Who we elect is for sure an issue, Trump is the most glaring example of that, but politicians with character that hold onto perceptions from decades ago because they didn't grow up under the laws they create is also an issue. What if we elected people with character and kept them to limits so there is more movement in Congress? Is there a difference between that and adding terms to the Supreme Court (besides them not being elected and serving for life from the beginning)?
DIY-HP-LED
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A mandatory retirement age in the house and senate would be helpful, they cycle the military brass through the ranks to keep perspectives fresh and build a big reserve of retired people who can be called back if required. I think the main problem is the extreme nature of American politics and the racism that fuels it, tribalism happens on both sides and is proportional to the perceived group threat. The republicans are the most extreme because the are on the wrong side of history and know it, they are shrinking and losing, and the more they lose the more extreme the base will become. Just wait till you see the candidates the republican base will vomit up for 2022, you ain't seen nothing yet.
TacoMac
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Although you make a good argument, what the founders wanted was for people to serve longer, especially on the Supreme Court.
In their minds they felt it would lead to better stability. They were right.
Our government is slow to change for that very reason. Although that is incredibly frustrating many times, can you imagine the damage that could be done with the radical swings in election majorities given term limits?
Our Constitution would be unrecognizable by now. It would have been butchered back and forth 25 times by now at least.
Dryxi
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Limiting Congress to 2 or 3 terms = 12-18 years in the seat. That is plenty of time to keep us from radical changes every 6 years. Differences would be in who is running the parties as the lifelong politicians are forced to lose that power. The stalemates in Congress could be interrupted by the old voices being forced out to make room. The parties would still function as they do along partisan lines, but with new personalities.
edit: it would also create more of a progression for politicians moving up the ladder since sitting in either house forever would no longer be an option.
TacoMac
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If that were even remotely true, Trump would not have been able to do so much damage in just 4 years.
Imagine if most of the democrats who impeached him twice and had the experience to minimize the damage were gone?
Pelosi, Biden, Schumer, Schiff and many others would not have been there.
That would have been catastrophic.