Trim these monster fan leaves???

[Mexicanhedies2003]

Cmon man whats up??? Get back at me....all ears

Waiting for response....starting to get butt hurt.

 

[Alctrz8849]

I can take a garbage bag of fans and you wouldn’t know the difference in a week. I imagine environment plays a role in what you can and can’t do as well.


I veg with hps no problem, I don’t notice much difference using mh, genetics play a bigger role imo.

HPS and MH are great at different stages but are hot and expensive. It's a dying industry and the cost will only go up those items. Solid products if you want to use them though.

As far as the garbage bags of fans there are techniques for trimming for which I admit I am no expert, however, nature's role of a fan leaf is to produce food in mass quantities for the plant. That's what you're removing by the garbage bag full. Of course, the plants can and will recover but genetics is what produced those fan leaves in the first place.

 

[Alctrz8849]

HPS and MH are great at different stages but are hot and expensive. It's a dying industry and the cost will only go up those items. Solid products if you want to use them though.

As far as the garbage bags of fans there are techniques for trimming for which I admit I am no expert, however, nature's role of a fan leaf is to produce food in mass quantities for the plant. That's what you're removing by the garbage bag full. Of course, the plants can and will recover but genetics is what produced those fan leaves in the first place.

In all fairness though my light wasn't cheap either but it's the best LED tech on the market IMO. I even sell the brand professionally in a different realm and that is how I knew of them in the first place!

Spydr 2P is my light!

 

[Mexicanhedies2003]

In all fairness though my light wasn't cheap either but it's the best LED tech on the market IMO. I even sell the brand professionally in a different realm and that is how I knew of them in the first place!

Spydr 2P is my light!

I havent seen the 2p. Last i checked they had a folding 7000. The 2p have bars or boards? The reason i opted for some hps and mh....2 words....free electric

 

[J232]

In all fairness though my light wasn't cheap either but it's the best LED tech on the market IMO. I even sell the brand professionally in a different realm and that is how I knew of them in the first place!

Spydr 2P is my light!

I have led, I wouldn’t buy a light though, diy, I have 600 watts of led side lighting. Price does not determine quality.

 

[J232]

As far as the garbage bags of fans there are techniques for trimming for which I admit I am no expert, however, nature's role of a fan leaf is to produce food in mass quantities for the plant. That's what you're removing by the garbage bag full. Of course, the plants can and will recover but genetics is what produced those fan leaves in the first place.

You will just have to try different techs and go with what’s worked the best in the past. Different scenarios require different techniques, could care less what nature wanted..

Vegging with a combination of mh and led. Flowering with hps and led with uv and ir. Keeping a close eye on temps and humidity. Im gonna leave them. Take some off in flower maybe. The one side looks wilted cuz i had the led too close.

You will want to keep temps around 78-80 if you use hps, if I had to pick a rh for flowering I would just pin it around 35-40%, safe.. I used 600w hids for years, now I use a 1k hid with led, will go full led eventually once I source everything I need.

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[Mexicanhedies2003]

Vegging with a combination of mh and led. Flowering with hps and led with uv and ir. Keeping a close eye on temps and humidity. Im gonna leave them. Take some off in flower maybe. The one side looks wilted cuz i had the led too close.

Oh ya....genetics. dosidos x grape pie. Fatso x BD cake. Chem D x BD cake. All cannarado genetics. I like em so far.

 

[yummy fur]

This just opened my eyes up today as to how much abuse an automatic can take, in fact it makes me want to find some space to see this for myself. Check out the plant at day 15 where it's been absolutely mutiled, and yet the recovery is astounding.

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[twentyeight.threefive]

First thing you need to do is learn how to feed coco. It should never dry out, not even the top 3rd as you are letting it do.

Plants your size should be fed daily and to significant runoff, especially with as much perlite as you have in your pots. Letting any of the coco dry out is going to cause salt build ups and EC spikes.

 

[budman111]

Yes take the fan leafs off, I shwazzle most of them all on day 1 flower and day 20 flower only

 

[budman111]

I would leave ALL fan leaves 99% of the time. Those are your main food producers

This is very true outdoors, indoors a plant has full access to a full spectrum of nutrients 24/7

watch posted vid

 

[Alctrz8849]

I have led, I wouldn’t buy a light though, diy, I have 600 watts of led side lighting. Price does not determine quality.

You're absolutely right, but with 4 kids and the oldest being 9, one project for me is enough. LED diodes are only made by two companies last I heard from a CEC at work, CREE and OSRAM. All LED lights use these diodes to function and are assembled by other 3rd parties after purchasing the diodes. Those are the most crucial piece so if you've done your research, I'm certain my light could be duplicated for much less. I don't have the tools or the time and had plants that would immediately benefit from having it, so for me it was worth the finished product!

BTW, even CREE and OSRAM diodes are used in crap lights, beware of ratings that don't reference umols per second and ppfd. If they tell you they have full spectrum and equivalent wattage without much else it's likely a crap light.

 

[Alctrz8849]

Yes take the fan leafs off, I shwazzle most of them all on day 1 flower and day 20 flower only

The video is about lights and is a good video. Dude definitely knows his stuff with lights! Still disagree about removing the fan leaves though.

 

[xtsho]

HPS and MH are great at different stages but are hot and expensive. It's a dying industry and the cost will only go up those items. Solid products if you want to use them though.

As far as the garbage bags of fans there are techniques for trimming for which I admit I am no expert, however, nature's role of a fan leaf is to produce food in mass quantities for the plant. That's what you're removing by the garbage bag full. Of course, the plants can and will recover but genetics is what produced those fan leaves in the first place.

MH and HPS are not expensive. You can get 1000 watts of light for $150. Yes they might be hot but most are able to deal with the heat and in some cases it's beneficial.

 

[Alctrz8849]

MH and HPS are not expensive. You can get 1000 watts of light for $150. Yes they might be hot but most are able to deal with the heat and in some cases it's beneficial.

I sell HPS and MH for a living, the technology is so old that is becoming more expensive because it is being phased out due to their power consumption and life length being exponentially shorter. The only people still using it are either growers or utilities that have yet to upgrade for one reason or another... and it is not because it is cheaper. Yes they COST less upfront,, but when you run them, the cost is much higher when compared to LED overall.

 

[xtsho]

I sell HPS and MH for a living, the technology is so old that is becoming more expensive because it is being phased out due to their power consumption and life length being exponentially shorter. The only people still using it are either growers or utilities that have yet to upgrade for one reason or another... and it is not because it is cheaper. Yes they COST less upfront,, but when you run them, the cost is much higher when compared to LED overall.

Actually HID's are becoming cheaper.

I'm not anti LED but I've done the math and to replace my HID with an LED that provided the same light it would take almost 5 years to pay for itself. Now granted every situation is different. I grow in an unheated garage during the winter and have cheap power. If I lived in Arizona I probably wouldn't be running HID's. But where I'm at the initial cost outlay doesn't really justify any savings in power. I could make more money than I can save by putting that same amount of money to work for me. It doesn't make sense financially for many people to switch to LED.

Here's what I pay for power.

Off-peak	4.128 ¢ per kWh

 

[budman111]

The video is about lights and is a good video. Dude definitely knows his stuff with lights! Still disagree about removing the fan leaves though.

So did I until I done it.

 

[Mexicanhedies2003]

MH and HPS are not expensive. You can get 1000 watts of light for $150. Yes they might be hot but most are able to deal with the heat and in some cases it's beneficial.

Ya...low start up cost was attractive. I bought 3 600 watt mh/hps with both bulbs. Best deal i seen and theyre working nice. I have free electric so I dont mind them chewing up power. Stii got 2 leds also tho in hopes I dont burn this old place down. Lol

 

[Mexicanhedies2003]

Actually HID's are becoming cheaper.

I'm not anti LED but I've done the math and to replace my HID with an LED that provided the same light it would take almost 5 years to pay for itself. Now granted every situation is different. I grow in an unheated garage during the winter and have cheap power. If I lived in Arizona I probably wouldn't be running HID's. But where I'm at the initial cost outlay doesn't really justify any savings in power. I could make more money than I can save by putting that same amount of money to work for me. It doesn't make sense financially for many people to switch to LED.

Here's what I pay for power.

Off-peak	4.128 ¢ per kWh

You're absolutely right, but with 4 kids and the oldest being 9, one project for me is enough. LED diodes are only made by two companies last I heard from a CEC at work, CREE and OSRAM. All LED lights use these diodes to function and are assembled by other 3rd parties after purchasing the diodes. Those are the most crucial piece so if you've done your research, I'm certain my light could be duplicated for much less. I don't have the tools or the time and had plants that would immediately benefit from having it, so for me it was worth the finished product!

BTW, even CREE and OSRAM diodes are used in crap lights, beware of ratings that don't reference umols per second and ppfd. If they tell you they have full spectrum and equivalent wattage without much else it's likely a crap light.

Samsung makes diodes for growing. There in my sf4000. Lm301 b/h. There in my spider farmer. I just got confirmation the eco farm light is on the way. Im stoked to check it out!!!

 

[Mexicanhedies2003]

Actually HID's are becoming cheaper.

I'm not anti LED but I've done the math and to replace my HID with an LED that provided the same light it would take almost 5 years to pay for itself. Now granted every situation is different. I grow in an unheated garage during the winter and have cheap power. If I lived in Arizona I probably wouldn't be running HID's. But where I'm at the initial cost outlay doesn't really justify any savings in power. I could make more money than I can save by putting that same amount of money to work for me. It doesn't make sense financially for many people to switch to LED.

Here's what I pay for power.

Off-peak	4.128 ¢ per kWh

Im running some of each. Im lucky enough to be at a spot where I pay nothing for electric.