CunningCanuk
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The same can be said in Canada.
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Word. I'm down with the DMV parallels. It won't change anything, but it makes sense by itself.
rkymtnman
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you could insert "anything illegal" instead of guns. the world over probably.
rkymtnman
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country-wide search and confiscation ain't gonna happen here in the US.
same thing with growing weed nowadays. that pandora is out of the box too. not going back in.
burnbluntz12312
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How and to what extent is a tough question at this point in time in our society I fear. Just how do you remove millions of firearms, magazines, silencers, bump stocks, extenders or whatever accessory from the hands of law abiding gun owners? If that happens, be you for or against gun ownership, the government then has the ability to take whatever they deem harmful from the private homes of citizens and that becomes a slippery slope. Also, what do you do with millions more gun wielding "criminals", because that is what new laws will make them, that now feel they have nothing to lose?
The guns, means to produce them in ways that can't be traced, etc. already exist in huge numbers. I leave my home with my family and feel safe, the odds are in my favor that it won't be me. I understand some people are unable to do so and I wish they had the opportunity at something different. Are we better off just protecting ourselves and our families at this point in time though? It's a sad reality of our lives today, look at COVID, every time you leave your home you have the chance of becoming "infected". As our population continues to spiral out of control so shall the dangers and threats around us. It's the world we live in. Let me say I am for change and making the world safer for my children, I just think it has to be reasonable and guns are not leaving America. Not to start a political argument, just food for thought. The harder you push, the harder they push back. That's human nature and our current methods are clearly non-productive.
It's a monumental undertaking to stop gun violence in America by removing the gun. Maybe we could focus more on our mental health and stopping it from ever occuring as well as some common sense gun control that does not restrict law abiding citizens? A little give and take for both sides of the fence? We are spending so much time focusing on the tool we've lost sight of the human being wielding it. Let's all be honest, the person holding the weapon is a big part of the problem.
The guns, means to produce them in ways that can't be traced, etc. already exist in huge numbers. I leave my home with my family and feel safe, the odds are in my favor that it won't be me. I understand some people are unable to do so and I wish they had the opportunity at something different. Are we better off just protecting ourselves and our families at this point in time though? It's a sad reality of our lives today, look at COVID, every time you leave your home you have the chance of becoming "infected". As our population continues to spiral out of control so shall the dangers and threats around us. It's the world we live in. Let me say I am for change and making the world safer for my children, I just think it has to be reasonable and guns are not leaving America. Not to start a political argument, just food for thought. The harder you push, the harder they push back. That's human nature and our current methods are clearly non-productive.
It's a monumental undertaking to stop gun violence in America by removing the gun. Maybe we could focus more on our mental health and stopping it from ever occuring as well as some common sense gun control that does not restrict law abiding citizens? A little give and take for both sides of the fence? We are spending so much time focusing on the tool we've lost sight of the human being wielding it. Let's all be honest, the person holding the weapon is a big part of the problem.
CunningCanuk
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But we don’t have the same amount of gun violence in Canada, was my point.
Making it more difficult to purchase guns can only help. It ain’t rocket appliances.
rkymtnman
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i'm not up to speed on Canada but the second most important thing in our Constitution is the right to be armed. only thing more important is freedom of speech.
i'm totally for more stringent checks on purchases. especially the mental health side.
it's all water under the fridge.
Nope. Right now, it would be an instant path to civil war.
Occam's Razor; Canadians are better people. Simple as that.
rkymtnman
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but to your point @CunningCanuk , i don't know why our gun violence rates are higher. easier access for sure.
i'd bet our drinking and driving rates are much higher too.
i'd bet our drinking and driving rates are much higher too.
hanimmal
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Just going off on a limb here so I am prepared to be roasted. But being a
I agree nobody in the government is going to remove guns (unless that person does something that causes (or at least a clerical error or something) from anyone.
The problem is that too large of a portion of gun owners are easily identified and make themselves targets from long term trolling to spark a even smaller portion of them into 'random' acts of violence. The sick part is that is part of the Republican platform so they are too scared to make actual helpful legislation work, and the Democrats can't get it done alone.
rkymtnman
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not sure about a civil war but it would take the us gov't to kill a shitload of people who won't give up their guns at any cost.
hanimmal
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It must be something to do with allowing people to call themselves their King/Queen that make them more docile.
topcat
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Nobody ever suggests that, except for Republicans, during an election year. "They wanna take yer' guns." It's their tradition and culture.
rkymtnman
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i was gonna say that the few times iv'e been up there, they do seem to be more meek than americans and respect their gov't way more than we do. i kinda remember speed cameras (as an example) all over the place. we sue the shit out of the local gov'ts to get them removed as unconstitutional. lol.
rkymtnman
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that's the only way to stop gun violence. remove the gun.
DIY-HP-LED
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It should be a gradual incremental process over years, a third of Americans own guns and the number can be whittled down over time, start with no fly and nobody on a terrorist watch list, and domestic violence, next liability vulnerability and insurance requirements, then personal licensing, then firearms registration for hand guns. A ten or 20 year process to reduce the numbers of guns in total and their possession by assholes in particular.
I don't see the second as much of an issue as many do, the federal government can regulate arms already, full autos and maximum caliber. They could even make semi automatic anything illegal under the same framework and using the same logic. The 2nd mentions "arms", back then swords and cannon were arms too, but try owning a 105mm howitzer! Bombs are arms too BTW (grenades) and were used in the revolutionary war. Most of this shit has never been tested before the SCOTUS either, perhaps it's time?
CunningCanuk
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If Kyle Rittenhouse lived in Canada, nobody would know who he is.
More control can only help.
topcat
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Can't be done. If you have the money and perseverance, you can get a gun. There are more guns than people in this country.
CunningCanuk
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When was the last time you watched a hockey game?