FedEx Shooting

hanimmal

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INDIANAPOLIS (AP) — Police scoured a Fedex facility in Indianapolis and searched the suspected gunman’s home Friday, looking for a motive for the latest mass shooting to rock the U.S., as family members of the eight victims spent agonizing hours awaiting word on their loved ones.

The shooter was identified as 19-year-old Brandon Scott Hole of Indiana, two law enforcement officials briefed on the matter told The Associated Press. Investigators searched a home in Indianapolis associated with Hole and seized evidence, including desktop computers and other electronic media, the officials said. The officials spoke to the AP on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly about the matter.

Without identifying him by name, FedEx spokesperson Bonny Harrison told the AP that the suspected gunman was a former FedEx employee.

Indianapolis police said earlier that they had not yet discovered the gunman’s motive for opening fire with a rifle late Thursday night at a FedEx processing center near the Indianapolis airport. The shooter started randomly firing at people in the parking lot and then went into the building and continued shooting, said Deputy Police Chief Craig McCartt. He said the shooter apparently killed himself shortly before police entered the building.

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“There was no confrontation with anyone that was there,” he said. “There was no disturbance, there was no argument. He just appeared to randomly start shooting.”

McCartt said four people were killed outside the building and another four inside. Several people were also wounded, including five who were taken to the hospital. McCartt said the slayings took place in a matter of minutes.

Officials with the coroner’s office began the process of identifying victims Friday afternoon, a process they said would take several hours.

Police Chief Randal Taylor noted that a “significant” number of employees at the FedEx facility are members of the Sikh community, and the Sikh Coalition later issued a statement saying it was “deeply saddened to learn” that Sikh community members were among the wounded and killed.

The coalition, which identifies itself as the largest Sikh civil rights organization in the U.S., said in the statement that it expected authorities to “conduct a full investigation — including the possibility of bias as a factor.” The coalition’s executive director, Satjeet Kaur, noted that more than 8,000 Sikh Americans live in Indiana.

The agonizing wait by the workers’ families was exacerbated by the fact that most employees aren’t allowed to carry cellphones inside the FedEx building, making contact with them difficult.

“When you see notifications on your phone, but you’re not getting a text back from your kid and you’re not getting information and you still don’t know where they are … what are you supposed to do?” Mindy Carson said early Friday, fighting back tears.

Carson later said she had heard from her daughter Jessica, who works in the facility, and that she was OK. She was going to meet her, but didn’t say where.

FedEx said in a statement that cellphone access is limited to a small number of workers in the dock and package sorting areas to “support safety protocols and minimize potential distractions.”

FedEx Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Frederick Smith called the shooting a “senseless act of violence.”

“This is a devastating day, and words are hard to describe the emotions we all feel,” he wrote in an email to employees.

The killings marked the latest in a string of recent mass shootings across the country and the third mass shooting this year in Indianapolis. Five people, including a pregnant woman, were shot and killed in the city in January, and a man was accused of killing three adults and a child before abducting his daughter during at argument at a home in March. In other states last month, eight people were fatally shot at massage businesses in the Atlanta area, and 10 died in gunfire at a supermarket in Boulder, Colorado.

Indianapolis Mayor Joe Hogsett said the community must guard against resignation and “the assumption that this is simply how it must be and we might as well get used to it.”

President Joe Biden said he had been briefed on the shooting and called gun violence “an epidemic” in the U.S.

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“Too many Americans are dying every single day from gun violence. It stains our character and pierces the very soul of our nation,” he said in a statement. Later, he tweeted, “We can, and must, do more to reduce gun violence and save lives.”
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said she was “horrified and heartbroken” by the shooting and called for congressional action on gun control.

“As we pray for the families of all affected, we must work urgently to enact commonsense gun violence prevention laws to save lives & prevent this suffering,” the Democratic leader said in a tweet.

A witness said he was working inside the building when he heard several gunshots in rapid succession.

“I see a man come out with a rifle in his hand and he starts firing and he starts yelling stuff that I could not understand,” Levi Miller told WTHR-TV. “What I ended up doing was ducking down to make sure he did not see me because I thought he would see me and he would shoot me.”

A man told WTTV that his niece was sitting in the driver’s seat of her car when the gunfire erupted, and she was wounded.

“She got shot on her left arm,” said Parminder Singh. “She’s fine, she’s in the hospital now.”

Gov. Eric Holcomb ordered flags to be flown at half-staff until April 20, and he and others decried the shooting.

Chris Bavender, a spokesperson for the FBI’s Indianapolis office, said the bureau is helping with the investigation.
 

TugthePup

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But we don’t have the same amount of gun violence in Canada, was my point.

Making it more difficult to purchase guns can only help. It ain’t rocket appliances.
America has more people living in relative poverty than the entire country of Canada has in total population. Its pretty obvious Canada wouldnt have the amount of gun violence America does.

Im worried about psychological tests. If the people taling the guns are giving the tests. The results are no guns.

Murder is already illegal. Would a gun law stop this individual?

Im want gun violence to go down, i don't have the answers, but i think addressing mental health in a major countrywide initiative would be huge.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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America has more people living in relative poverty than the entire country of Canada has in total population. Its pretty obvious Canada wouldnt have the amount of gun violence America does.

Im worried about psychological tests. If the people taling the guns are giving the tests. The results are no guns.

Murder is already illegal. Would a gun law stop this individual?

Im want gun violence to go down, i don't have the answers, but i think addressing mental health in a major countrywide initiative would be huge.
It's less guns and restrictive laws on ownership and that is about it, Canada ain't utopia, we just have better healthcare and sensible gun laws. As a kid I used to hunt with my dad and we had guns in the house, not many hunt these days, in Canada or America, it's way more smoke than fire in the US and mossy oak covered furniture in living rooms.
 

TugthePup

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It's less guns and restrictive laws on ownership and that is about it, Canada ain't utopia, we just have better healthcare and sensible gun laws. As a kid I used to hunt with my dad and we had guns in the house, not many hunt these days, in Canada or America, it's way more smoke than fire in the US and mossy oak covered furniture in living rooms.
America has more hunters at 15 million than the population of your top 5 cities combined. We are talking numbers here. Break down how much gun crime comes from the poverty areas in the US. New York has the laws people in this chat are asking for and the results do not equate. So does Chicago. There is a saying "By any means necessary" it does not equate to "By any means legally"
 

DIY-HP-LED

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It's less guns and restrictive laws on ownership and that is about it, Canada ain't utopia, we just have better healthcare and sensible gun laws. As a kid I used to hunt with my dad and we had guns in the house, not many hunt these days, in Canada or America, it's way more smoke than fire in the US and mossy oak covered furniture in living rooms.
Nobody gives a psychological test or will, ownership criteria will be based on character and past behavior and that is the best predictor of future performance, mental health is not as big an issue as character by far, Things like domestic abuse, a history of violence, being on a domestic terrorist and no fly list, violent crime etc. In Canada owning a hand gun involves a chat with a Mountie an FAC and a license for the pistol that includes safety training. Personal defense is not a valid reason for ownership but a red flag.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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America has more hunters at 15 million than the population of your top 5 cities combined. We are talking numbers here. Break down how much gun crime comes from the poverty areas in the US. New York has the laws people in this chat are asking for and the results do not equate. So does Chicago. There is a saying "By any means necessary" it does not equate to "By any means legally"
So you are saying that just certain people in certain areas should be restricted, won't work, effective gun laws must be federal and are not even a states rights issue. The feds can ban semiautos, just like they can ban machine guns and the SCOTUS wouldn't say a peep. The second says "arms" and that included swords, muzzle loaders, grenades and cannon, at the time, you can't own working artillery pieces.

BTW in actual combat small arms kill relatively few, artillery is the GOD of war, or used to be.
 

TugthePup

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Nobody gives a psychological test or will, ownership criteria will be based on character and past behavior and that is the best predictor of future performance, mental health is not as big an issue as character by far, Things like domestic abuse, a history of violence, being on a domestic terrorist and no fly list, violent crime etc. In Canada owning a hand gun involves a chat with a Mountie an FAC and a license for the pistol that includes safety training. Personal defense is not a valid reason for ownership but a red flag.
In the US you cannot own a gun as a felon. You cannot own a gun if you have a domestic violence charge on your record.
If someone is willing to kill somebody, I guess i feel like that person has a mental health issue. Again, the law of murder didnt stop them, how will the gun law stop them?
Obviously, we disagree on a level neither of us will overcome. Im happy everyone comes from different views. Ill quit blowing the chat up. Ill get high and then ill think to myself

"Humans are the only animals that have beat nature. Death and disease do not help with population control, keeping a healtly ecosystem. Nature must have found a way to affect humans to kill themselves and others, in a way to try keep population on a level the earth can handle."
 

hanimmal

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America has more hunters at 15 million than the population of your top 5 cities combined. We are talking numbers here. Break down how much gun crime comes from the poverty areas in the US. New York has the laws people in this chat are asking for and the results do not equate. So does Chicago. There is a saying "By any means necessary" it does not equate to "By any means legally"
Is this the 'but the city crime' bullshit?

What do you think would happen if you only compared trailer parks across the USA with our cities?


You put a lot of humans in a small area that perpetuates poverty and heavily police those areas and wow you get a lot of crime statistics.

In the US you cannot own a gun as a felon. You cannot own a gun if you have a domestic violence charge on your record.
If someone is willing to kill somebody, I guess i feel like that person has a mental health issue. Again, the law of murder didnt stop them, how will the gun law stop them?
Obviously, we disagree on a level neither of us will overcome. Im happy everyone comes from different views. Ill quit blowing the chat up. Ill get high and then ill think to myself

"Humans are the only animals that have beat nature. Death and disease do not help with population control, keeping a healtly ecosystem. Nature must have found a way to affect humans to kill themselves and others, in a way to try keep population on a level the earth can handle."
Kyle Rittenhous had a illegally purchased gun when he killed 2 people.


Im not saying guns are good, I personally have a soft spot in my heart for true gun nuts, because they are why a country like China will never be able to occupy us for any real length of time, but things like background checks, insurance, and no internet/gunshow loopholes, and buy back programs that give a legitimate amount of money so that people who pass away can have their guns not go to some kid that is going to accidentally shoot someone or himself.

Welcoem to the forum. If you are not one of the endless line of sock puppet troll accounts (foreign or domestic) attacking this and every other site on the internet, I hope you stick around. Remember you have a ignore feature if you start getting trolled. Best of luck.
 

mooray

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That's why it's kind of a waste to discuss gun laws. Sure you can do a couple things here and there that make sense, but they won't make any difference. At some point the focus needs to shift to making better people. If you can do that, you take a bite out of every problem we have, instead of wasting time focusing on a million little offshoots that go nowhere.
 

rkymtnman

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That's why it's kind of a waste to discuss gun laws. Sure you can do a couple things here and there that make sense, but they won't make any difference. At some point the focus needs to shift to making better people. If you can do that, you take a bite out of every problem we have, instead of wasting time focusing on a million little offshoots that go nowhere.
people have been killing people since the dawn of time. for skin color, counntry, race, religion, shit even if somebody looks at you funny.
 

mooray

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people have been killing people since the dawn of time. for skin color, counntry, race, religion, shit even if somebody looks at you funny.
And I think someone mentioned earlier, or maybe in a different thread, that we've beaten our nature, but we still have a ways to go in that regard.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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"Humans are the only animals that have beat nature. Death and disease do not help with population control, keeping a healtly ecosystem. Nature must have found a way to affect humans to kill themselves and others, in a way to try keep population on a level the earth can handle."
As long as they go first.
 

rkymtnman

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Too bad our selfishness and freedumbs keep us from discussing sustainability. Tell an American not to have kids and they'll have a dozen albino rats just to spite you.
we just came back from south dakota: driving thru nebraska all you see next to you is coal trains going north and south. you hit the border of colorado/neb and there are probably a few hundred windmills. lol. we're f*cked.
 

TugthePup

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Is this the 'but the city crime' bullshit?

What do you think would happen if you only compared trailer parks across the USA with our cities?


You put a lot of humans in a small area that perpetuates poverty and heavily police those areas and wow you get a lot of crime statistics.


Kyle Rittenhous had a illegally purchased gun when he killed 2 people.


Im not saying guns are good, I personally have a soft spot in my heart for true gun nuts, because they are why a country like China will never be able to occupy us for any real length of time, but things like background checks, insurance, and no internet/gunshow loopholes, and buy back programs that give a legitimate amount of money so that people who pass away can have their guns not go to some kid that is going to accidentally shoot someone or himself.

Welcoem to the forum. If you are not one of the endless line of sock puppet troll accounts (foreign or domestic) attacking this and every other site on the internet, I hope you stick around. Remember you have a ignore feature if you start getting trolled. Best of luck.
No not at all. I did compare all the trailer parks. That was part of the vast amount of poverty in the United states. This aspect is never brought up. The amount of poverty in the US increases crime statistics. There is a way to fix that too but holy shit if you cant get guns from citizens, how do we ever get a prnny from a billionaire.

Thanks for your kind words. I might get trolled but i dont need a button to ignore someone. I only brought up my views because Im probably the other majority. Gun owner that hates gun violence.

I also understand that the same feeling i have to grasping onto gun rights is the same thing that keeps institutional racism rampent in the US. I have something and dont want to give it up. Im waiting for the person that shows how a murder follows a gun law and ill probably finally agree to more laws.
 

hanimmal

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the only real winner will be mother earth when humans become extinct.
I have hope we will figure it out.



No not at all. I did compare all the trailer parks. That was part of the vast amount of poverty in the United states. This aspect is never brought up. The amount of poverty in the US increases crime statistics. There is a way to fix that too but holy shit if you cant get guns from citizens, how do we ever get a prnny from a billionaire.

Thanks for your kind words. I might get trolled but i dont need a button to ignore someone. I only brought up my views because Im probably the other majority. Gun owner that hates gun violence.

I also understand that the same feeling i have to grasping onto gun rights is the same thing that keeps institutional racism rampent in the US. I have something and dont want to give it up. Im waiting for the person that shows how a murder follows a gun law and ill probably finally agree to more laws.
Nobody is coming for anyone's guns.

I would love to see the trailer parks stats. Figured I would google it:

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