Rap shit the bed... do you agree?

panhead

panhead

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Since you asked...............yes,rap shit the bed the very first day it hit the scene,terrible garbage through & through.

Artists maybe,musical talent never.
 
smartsoverambition

smartsoverambition

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panhead said:
Since you asked...............yes,rap shit the bed the very first day it hit the scene,terrible garbage through & through.

Artists maybe,musical talent never.
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eh ur opinio nothin i can, do

heavy metal shit the bed the day it came out, see that's not very nice is it?

we're talkin about the degeneration of an artform into meaningless pop shit, u just call it terrible garbage, why do you hate it? what artists have yu listened to? i can respect if u said something like "they don't use enough instruments" or "they don't use their voice in a melodic fashion that i appreciate" u just said it's crap nice way 2 form an argument:roll:
 
kingtrip

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smartsoverambition said:
heavy metal shit the bed the day it came out, see that's not very nice is it?
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LMFAO!!! But seriously, rap today is going downhill. It's mostly driven by ego and pretentiousness. I love hip-hop, and do what I can to not let the garbage cloud my judgment between the good stuff and the bad stuff. I can handle certain mainstream artists in the genre (I do kinda like Lil' Wayne a small bit but also recognize that New Orleans needs a new face to represent us...he ain't doing it right...and best rapper alive, my left teste) but I've gotten into a lot more independent artists who stay true to what Hip-Hop stands for and don't sing about the glitz and the glamour.

And fuck Kanye West for saying he's the voice of the generation...sorry you arrogant fuck, but my voice don't need the Auto Tuned T-Pain effect to be heard...

Trip:leaf:

Now playing: Atmosphere - One Of A Kind via FoxyTunes
 
panhead

panhead

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smartsoverambition said:
eh ur opinio nothin i can, do

heavy metal shit the bed the day it came out, see that's not very nice is it?

we're talkin about the degeneration of an artform into meaningless pop shit, u just call it terrible garbage, why do you hate it? what artists have yu listened to? i can respect if u said something like "they don't use enough instruments" or "they don't use their voice in a melodic fashion that i appreciate" u just said it's crap nice way 2 form an argument:roll:
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This should elaborate my stance on rap.

Im Not into heavy metal much either.

Miles Davis.

John Coltrane.

George Duke.

Chick Corea.

Ect.


It's not that they dont use "enough" musical instruments it's the fact that 99% of rap artists have no musical ability what so ever & cant play any instrument,looping a beat is not musical ability or musicianship.

There is no doubt that rap is an art form but should be classed as "spoken word" & not music,my only problem with rap & it's explosion on the scene is that it has taken away the desire of an entire generation of young people to learn to play a misical instrument,it's also taken away an entire generations ability to appreciate real musicianship because most rap has nothing to do with music,the beat is only background.

When rap inspires a generation of youth to learn an instrument to this skill level then i might appreciate it as having musical value,until then it's just entertainment,much like tv sit com's.

3 living guitar masters.

YouTube - PACO DE LUCIA , John McLaughlin , AL DI MEOLA
 
pokey

pokey

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Rap getting worse obviously means ghetto life is getting more tolerable right? Dunno, it just seems that all the old school good stuff what talking about their views on their real life troubles, now it's money, girls, bling, not overcoming shit.
 
Yeah

Yeah

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panhead said:
This should elaborate my stance on rap.

Im Not into heavy metal much either.

Miles Davis.

John Coltrane.

George Duke.

Chick Corea.

Ect.


It's not that they dont use "enough" musical instruments it's the fact that 99% of rap artists have no musical ability what so ever & cant play any instrument,looping a beat is not musical ability or musicianship.

There is no doubt that rap is an art form but should be classed as "spoken word" & not music,my only problem with rap & it's explosion on the scene is that it has taken away the desire of an entire generation of young people to learn to play a misical instrument,it's also taken away an entire generations ability to appreciate real musicianship because most rap has nothing to do with music,the beat is only background.

When rap inspires a generation of youth to learn an instrument to this skill level then i might appreciate it as having musical value,until then it's just entertainment,much like tv sit com's.

3 living guitar masters.

YouTube - PACO DE LUCIA , John McLaughlin , AL DI MEOLA
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Fair enough. I'd say that to make a GOOD beat, there is a bit of musical talent required. Most producers know how to play the piano, guitar, and even various other instruments. It takes talent to be able to put those guitar licks and piano loops into something that someone might want to hear some day.

That being said, there's something I can appreciate in every genre of music even if I don't listen to it all the time. For instance, I can appreciate a lot of the crazy guitar solos in heavy metal, but cant stand the fucking screaming and shit. Just my 2 cents.:peace::peace::peace:
 
panhead

panhead

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Yeah said:
Fair enough. I'd say that to make a GOOD beat, there is a bit of musical talent required. Most producers know how to play the piano, guitar, and even various other instruments. It takes talent to be able to put those guitar licks and piano loops into something that someone might want to hear some day.

That being said, there's something I can appreciate in every genre of music even if I don't listen to it all the time. For instance, I can appreciate a lot of the crazy guitar solos in heavy metal, but cant stand the fucking screaming and shit. Just my 2 cents.:peace::peace::peace:
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Im with ya on the screaming nonsense,to me any music is fucked if you cant understand what their saying,most of what i listen to has no vocals at all,most jazz & fusion jazz are instrumental peices,however i do enjoy listining to blues when im stoned & that has vocals.
 
smartsoverambition

smartsoverambition

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panhead said:
Im with ya on the screaming nonsense,to me any music is fucked if you cant understand what their saying,most of what i listen to has no vocals at all,most jazz & fusion jazz are instrumental peices,however i do enjoy listining to blues when im stoned & that has vocals.
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i enjoy jazz it's not on my ipod and i wont select to listen to it but it's great high music and if u play it in the background it's pretty damn soothing and makes u feel, well smart lol:mrgreen:
 
t0k3s

t0k3s

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The sad thing is there have been many good hiphop artists who did use instruments and could hold a key without going out of tune,just 90% of the hiphop artist to day can't.bongsmilie
 
grind

grind

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THCinmysystem said:
ur a retard...lil wayne is seriously the best rapper alive....my fav is 2pac...but if lil wayne died today...he would be more famous than even 2pac or biggie
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are you fucking retarded?
god get the fuck out of here, you obviously know nothing about rap music
but yeah, i totally agree rap is shit now
and most of my favourite rappers are dead. ODB, pac, biggie... man, thats depressing
 
smartsoverambition

smartsoverambition

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grind said:
are you fucking retarded?
god get the fuck out of here, you obviously know nothing about rap music
but yeah, i totally agree rap is shit now
and most of my favourite rappers are dead. ODB, pac, biggie... man, thats depressing
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believe me people are stupid lil wayne fucktards WILL put him up there with the greats

remember ja rule? his songs bring bak memories but the only one i liked wuz i'm frn new york (guess why:mrgreen:) but people are putting him right up there in the top 20. plz
 
t0k3s

t0k3s

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Yeah said:
If you can't sing, don't sing. And don't put the auto-tune on.
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Or practice,anyone with a voice can sing,it just takes practice to make it sound in key with a song.auto tune puts it in key for you that takes away the learning part if you have trouble singing,but sometimes there's certain keys one cant get with their natural voice which is what auto tune is really for..I wish music went back to the days when money was not the motive,it was about playing music and making good songs and not slapping a shitty album out every year rehashing the same old shit... this goes for all music,not just rap...some of the best music was made with little or no money on low qaulity instruments....you could have all the money you want but still be a shitty musician,and when everone realises that, music will make a comeback until then were stuck with reahashed crappy music.bongsmilie:sleep:
 
LAX Skunky BwS

LAX Skunky BwS

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hip-hop kinda died after '04' but nothing like the 90's when hip-hop was alive and well i miss them days.. im still bumping shit from 94...
 
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