Will You Take The Vaccine?

Are you going to take the corona virus vaccine?

  • No.

  • Yes.


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FresnoFarmer

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Yep, they are called clinical trials, phase 1,2 &3 all the vaccines have had them, plus there is real world evidence mounting daily of their efficiency, their efficacy and safety has been demonstrated in clinical trials that are randomized double blinded and overseen by an ethics board, data analysis is done by a separate statistical group of specialists.
During those clinical trials they were testing to see how effective it is at reducing symptoms, not stopping transmission. They are still studying whether it will stop the spread of the virus. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/study-asks-if-vaccinated-people-can-still-transmit-virus-fauci-says
 

DIY-HP-LED

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It's a poor example eh? Well funny you would say that, because it's an example which others have used in this thread to somehow support their own assessments of risk.

Maybe I'm a different brand of liberal than you are, but the liberals I know don't support war in any form. I went to my first anti-war march way back in the 80's, a couple of years after I went to my first gay pride parade in San Francisco. I'm way more liberal that you will ever be. Most liberals understand that the prison system doesn't work, and that all it does it manufacture more criminals. You want to punish people, if get it, but it's not a cure.
You are confusing pacifists for liberals, two different things, like many Americans think liberals are socialists, liberalism is about freedom under the constitution and rule of law with democratically elected governments and independent courts. Liberalism is also a historic process that eventually includes equal rights under the law for everybody. Women were only given the franchise 103 years ago, until then they weren't even considered persons under the law and a man could have a troublesome wife admitted to an insane asylum.
 

PJ Diaz

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The point is the state can tell you to wear clothes for no good reason and they can tell you to wear a mask for a good reason that has been validated by scientists. The state as of yet won't mandate vaccinations here or in America, but may in other places, employers will, healthcare insurance companies will (in the states) and a bunch of others will. In some places mandatory vaccination will happen though and they might be Australia and New Zealand and many Asian countries.
So, now we're discussing what the state can and can't decide in terms of how to control your activities, and whether or not to follow laws which you disagree with on a weed growing forum. Classic!

Personally I think the outdoor mask wearing is stupid, especially when people aren't near you, however we still have an outdoor mask mandate here and I've been continually wearing my mask all along. You're welcome for my consideration.
 

PJ Diaz

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You are confusing pacifists for liberals, two different things, like many Americans think liberals are socialists, liberalism is about freedom under the constitution and rule of law with democratically elected governments and independent courts. Liberalism is also a historic process that eventually includes equal rights under the law for everybody. Women were only given the franchise 103 years ago, until then they weren't even considered persons under the law and a man could have a troublesome wife admitted to an insane asylum.
I've grown up what many consider one of the most liberal cities in the country. I'm pretty sure I know what liberal is.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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During those clinical trials they were testing to see how effective it is at reducing symptoms, not stopping transmission. They are still studying whether it will stop the spread of the virus. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/study-asks-if-vaccinated-people-can-still-transmit-virus-fauci-says
I never said the purpose of the trials was to determine if it stopped it cold, that is being determined in other trials and in the real world where the rubber meets the road. Then there are the variants which complicates things in terms of efficacy and post vaccination contagion.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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So, now we're discussing what the state can and can't decide in terms of how to control your activities, and whether or not to follow laws which you disagree with on a weed growing forum. Classic!

Personally I think the outdoor mask wearing is stupid, especially when people aren't near you, however we still have an outdoor mask mandate here and I've been continually wearing my mask all along. You're welcome for my consideration.
They dropped it in the states because the warm weather is here and the vaccine effect is taking hold, but even in the states gatherings like the one shown in Canada are still illegal even out doors. We have a much lower vaccination rate than America and it will be August before I get my second jab of Pfizer for example. Since you are vaccine hesitant, you'd be crazy to be against mask mandates, they protect you the most.
 

PJ Diaz

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They dropped it in the states because the warm weather is here and the vaccine effect is taking hold, but even in the states gatherings like the one shown in Canada are still illegal even out doors. We have a much lower vaccination rate than America and it will be August before I get my second jab of Pfizer for example. Since you are vaccine hesitant, you'd be crazy to be against mask mandates, they protect you the most.
Mask mandates have very little benefit outdoors. Here's a good 4-minute listen:

 

DIY-HP-LED

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Mask mandates have very little benefit outdoors. Here's a good 4-minute listen:

Unless people are packed together outside, the people at those rallies were not socially distanced. A mask is not much of a burden and many of those against them have no problem wearing a hood.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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I've grown up what many consider one of the most liberal cities in the country. I'm pretty sure I know what liberal is.
Liberals are often for socialist policies and many are antiwar, as are all sensible people. I'm all for freedom and peace as long as there is a good reason not to be, like public health and the country being attacked
 

PJ Diaz

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Unless people are packed together outside, the people at those rallies were not socially distanced. A mask is not much of a burden and many of those against them have no problem wearing a hood.
I wasn't talking about any rallies, or where people are packed together. You inserted that.
 

printer

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By that metric liberals shouldn't support any other transportation type, outside of pedestrian. You can kill people by driving a car.
That is if you are not obeying the rules of the road and drive recklessly. These people are doing the equivalent of driving recklessly. I really do not like driving on the wrong side of the road and all in my congregation refuse to drive on the right side because we are originally from England.
 
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printer

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Does Covid-19 vaccination prevent transmission or something? I feel like I’m missing information that you have.
The vaccine reduces the viral load in infected people. The number of virus cells that infect you have a big bearing on how sick you get, whether you end up in the hospital or just get the sniffles. Both test positive in lab results though.
 

printer

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During those clinical trials they were testing to see how effective it is at reducing symptoms, not stopping transmission. They are still studying whether it will stop the spread of the virus. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/study-asks-if-vaccinated-people-can-still-transmit-virus-fauci-says
I am past my bed time so this will have to do.

Transmissibility of COVID-19 depends on the viral load around onset in adult and symptomatic patients
To investigate the relationship between viral load and secondary transmission in novel coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19).

High nasopharyngeal viral loads around onset may contribute to secondary transmission of COVID-19. Viral load may help provide a better understanding of why transmission is observed in some instances, but not in others, especially among household contacts.
 

printer

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Mask mandates have very little benefit outdoors. Here's a good 4-minute listen:

But with the new variants that are more contagious as they do not need as many particles to infect you masks may help people outdoors. I do not think they would be necessary if you remain at least 6' (although I think 10' should ensure your safety) in a well ventilated area.
 

printer

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It's a poor example eh? Well funny you would say that, because it's an example which others have used in this thread to somehow support their own assessments of risk.

Maybe I'm a different brand of liberal than you are, but the liberals I know don't support war in any form. I went to my first anti-war march way back in the 80's, a couple of years after I went to my first gay pride parade in San Francisco. I'm way more liberal that you will ever be. Most liberals understand that the prison system doesn't work, and that all it does it manufacture more criminals. You want to punish people, if get it, but it's not a cure.
Mennonites do not believe in fighting wars. They believe enough that they have left countries of their home to get out of serving. Does that mean Hitler should not have been stopped. War is never good but sometimes it is necessary. And the people that go to fight it do not want to. But for the greater good it is sometimes necessary. And that is the point of the masks, the social distancing, the vaccines. For the greater good they are necessary. And it is not fair for one segment of society to say they are taking a free ride while others pay the cost. That is what the Mennonites did in moving to Mexico, they did not believe it was worth living in a country where they had to make a sacrifice for it.

And that is why they ended up in Canada after being in Mexico or Bolivia. Because it became unsafe there. So why did it become unsafe? Because there were not enough people willing to put their lives on the line to make it a safe place. It is far easier to move to a safe country. That is how my brother in law's family came here. The Bible Belt of my province has the greatest concentration of them, it would be easy enough to say 3/4 of the people there are Mennonite. They also had dry towns. But there was always a bottle behind the back shed, teenage girls getting knocked up, but on Sundays in the light of day they are holier than thou. Had a girlfriend from there back in the day. She worked as a waitress in a bar here and the talk of the town was that she tended bar and was a prostitute also because the two go hand in hand.

I can go on but not the point. Other than the fact that they do not believe they have to abide by the rules. And they convince themself any stupid thing like there is a chip in the vaccine and they can be tracked by it. Far easier to think that then to think maybe they have a moral obligation to roll up their sleeves to get a shot. I have more respect for the people that are afraid that the vaccine has not been tested for years before it was put into use. But we do not have the luxury of that, do we? Brazil and India shows us that.

In the end we may not get enough people vaccinated to snuff out most of the transmission. And the people that did not get a shot will go, "See! It didn't work, we were right!" And the reason it didn't work is because of them. But they will not take the blame, there is nothing wrong with them. It is the rest of us.

So the little green men are here from Mars trying to wipe out the human race. And there are some in our population that do not think they have to do a thing about it. To them I say, "With rights comes responsibilities."
 

PJ Diaz

Well-Known Member
Mennonites do not believe in fighting wars. They believe enough that they have left countries of their home to get out of serving. Does that mean Hitler should not have been stopped. War is never good but sometimes it is necessary. And the people that go to fight it do not want to. But for the greater good it is sometimes necessary. And that is the point of the masks, the social distancing, the vaccines. For the greater good they are necessary. And it is not fair for one segment of society to say they are taking a free ride while others pay the cost. That is what the Mennonites did in moving to Mexico, they did not believe it was worth living in a country where they had to make a sacrifice for it.

And that is why they ended up in Canada after being in Mexico or Bolivia. Because it became unsafe there. So why did it become unsafe? Because there were not enough people willing to put their lives on the line to make it a safe place. It is far easier to move to a safe country. That is how my brother in law's family came here. The Bible Belt of my province has the greatest concentration of them, it would be easy enough to say 3/4 of the people there are Mennonite. They also had dry towns. But there was always a bottle behind the back shed, teenage girls getting knocked up, but on Sundays in the light of day they are holier than thou. Had a girlfriend from there back in the day. She worked as a waitress in a bar here and the talk of the town was that she tended bar and was a prostitute also because the two go hand in hand.

I can go on but not the point. Other than the fact that they do not believe they have to abide by the rules. And they convince themself any stupid thing like there is a chip in the vaccine and they can be tracked by it. Far easier to think that then to think maybe they have a moral obligation to roll up their sleeves to get a shot. I have more respect for the people that are afraid that the vaccine has not been tested for years before it was put into use. But we do not have the luxury of that, do we? Brazil and India shows us that.

In the end we may not get enough people vaccinated to snuff out most of the transmission. And the people that did not get a shot will go, "See! It didn't work, we were right!" And the reason it didn't work is because of them. But they will not take the blame, there is nothing wrong with them. It is the rest of us.

So the little green men are here from Mars trying to wipe out the human race. And there are some in our population that do not think they have to do a thing about it. To them I say, "With rights comes responsibilities."
tldr
 

srh88

Well-Known Member
I believe that their tour does include a few theater performances, but I'm not familiar with all of the venues, which may have outdoor options as well.
I know primus is outside. Been to the venue, seen Jethro Tull. Was a let down lol.. still jammed but it destroyed my illusion of Jethro Tull. Was more like listen to a flute genius complain for a couple hours instead of jamming. Started around 6:30 in the summer and was over before dark. Bummed forever dude lol.
 

hanimmal

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Hundreds take part in rally at Forks to protest public health orders
Several hundred people took part in a rally at The Forks on Sunday afternoon to protest the continuing public health orders and restrictions in place in Manitoba.

Presented by Winnipeg Alternative Media and promoted by the Manitoba Together advocacy group, the rally featured controversial Ontario activist Chris “Sky” Saccoccia, who has rallied against health measures during the COVID-19 pandemic and is currently on a “Freedom Convoy” across Canada from Vancouver to Thunder Bay including stops in Saskatchewan on Saturday.

Other speakers were Minister Tobias Tissen from the Church of God near Steinbach and Manitoba Together’s Patrick Allard.

Many of rally attendants carried signs reading “Unmask our kids now,” “Stop giving your freedoms away” and “Hugs over masks.”

Last week, Saskatchewan Premier Scott Moe requested that rallies slated for Maple Creek, Sask., and Regina this weekend featuring Saccoccia not take place.

An Easter weekend “recreational party” in the Maple Creek area went “way over” the current outdoor gathering limit and featured “minimal” adherence to public health rules, according to provincial Health Minister Paul Merriman. More than 100 people attended that party and the ensuing outbreak involves the B.1.1.7 coronavirus variant, which was first identified in the U.K.

As of Friday, 40 cases of COVID-19 were tied to the event.

At the moment 44% of covid cases in hospital are the B.1.1.7 variant. A 22 year old man ended up catching it from his dad as well as the rest of his family got it, except the sister who works as a nures and had the vaccine.

'It was horrible': Winnipeg man hospitalized twice by B.1.1.7. variant speaks out
Peter Soliman, a 22-year-old man from Winnipeg, said he was healthy, eating well and physically active before COVID-19 struck his family.

In March, his dad got a call that he had been identified as a close contact to a case. Soliman says the entire family was tested for COVID-19 – and though his dad tested positive, the rest of them were negative.

But, one by one, Soliman said the rest of his family started experiencing COVID-19 symptoms, and, one by one, they started testing positive for the virus. His mother was the first of them to be admitted to hospital. He and his father were later admitted to hospital but released. Within a few days, Soliman said his oxygen dropped to 70 per cent and he came down with pneumonia.

Soliman said the only member of his family who did not test positive for COVID-19 was his sister. He said she works as a nurse, and received her first dose of the Pfizer vaccine. She has tested negative for the virus multiple times now, he said.

Good luck to you all up there.
 
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