mawasmada
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Pretty sure that lbl would be Long Bottom Leaf...a Motarebel strain, and parent in Long Bottom Fighter(LBL x Starfighter).
Bad Dog Genetics
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Coalcat
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Btw I like your light setup. I’m a big fan of dyi leds. I have made 2 big led arrays and I love them.I know nothing about Bad Dawg genetics other than the fact that when my sseed collection was destroyed by heat, a kind soul sent me some spare freebie seed packs he had laying around. I got some interesting results out of them, but I have also had a LOT of problems with herming(literally 100% herm rate on everything I have flowered). I think the herming was mostly a pest-related issue because apparently some pests can disrupt the plant's ethylene production. I've eliminated light leaks and many other issues as the cause so its either genetics or pests and I suspect its a combination of both. For example: Black Triangle hermed a little but the stamen contained no pollen, while Killer Orange went from partly female to entirely male. Loud N' Proud went from strong female to mostly male back to mostly female in the end with a few viable seeds.
So clearly something is testing the genetics pretty hard, but now that I have the pests under control we should see for sure with the next plants going in. I know that's long winded but I want to make it clear that I think the herming I got on this Gooey 13 is probably not its fault. So far despite having picked literally hundreds of nanners off of it during bad outbreaks, none of the bud appears to be seeded. So I think she's another one making nanners with little or no pollen. With the number of them there is no way I plucked them all. Despite all of that though, I have kept a clone of this girl and I got it from her before I put her into flower(so it hasn't hermed)
ANYWAY.... here is Gooey 13, the sweet apricot-tasting beast
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KlompenOG
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I am certain there's no glow of light from the diodes at night. I have all Mean Well drivers running off an Intermatic outdoor timer(yes it is digital, but if its glowing at night its not enough to see when shut in the cabinet with lights off). I will double check to be thorough.
Here's my control board:
My lights are an HLG QB96 V2 Elite above and 5 Samsung V-strips around each of the sides:
Gooey is in the back there. This pic is from early in flower.
As far as pests go..... some I have not identified, but I know I had the following:
barnacles
aphids
fungus gnats
springtails
corn borer worm
some sort of mites(not spider mites. I have fought those before)
There are at least 3 other types that were on them that I could not identify.
I haven't grown at this property before and I didn't realize how bad the pests flee the fields around harvest time. That's one source of them for sure, but I've never had it this bad when it comes to pests. Usually I don't even have to worry about them. This winter was terrible
I have been growing on and off for years now(mostly outside, but still....) and have never had bugs as bad as I did this year. 100% herm rate on beans from multiple vendors makes me sure its not purely genetic.
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Coalcat
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Now that is an awesome board. I just have my meanwells going to a plug and then right to the outlet/timer.I am certain there's no glow of light from the diodes at night. I have all Mean Well drivers running off an Intermatic outdoor timer(yes it is digital, but if its glowing at night its not enough to see when shut in the cabinet with lights off). I will double check to be thorough.
Here's my control board:
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My lights are an HLG QB96 V2 Elite above and 5 Samsung V-strips around each of the sides:
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Gooey is in the back there. This pic is from early in flower.
As far as pests go..... some I have not identified, but I know I had the following:
barnacles
aphids
fungus gnats
springtails
corn borer worm
some sort of mites(not spider mites. I have fought those before)
There are at least 3 other types that were on them that I could not identify.
I haven't grown at this property before and I didn't realize how bad the pests flee the fields around harvest time. That's one source of them for sure, but I've never had it this bad when it comes to pests. Usually I don't even have to worry about them. This winter was terrible
raggyb
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any air flow / temp issues?I am certain there's no glow of light from the diodes at night. I have all Mean Well drivers running off an Intermatic outdoor timer(yes it is digital, but if its glowing at night its not enough to see when shut in the cabinet with lights off). I will double check to be thorough.
Here's my control board:
View attachment 4891779
My lights are an HLG QB96 V2 Elite above and 5 Samsung V-strips around each of the sides:
View attachment 4891792
Gooey is in the back there. This pic is from early in flower.
As far as pests go..... some I have not identified, but I know I had the following:
barnacles
aphids
fungus gnats
springtails
corn borer worm
some sort of mites(not spider mites. I have fought those before)
There are at least 3 other types that were on them that I could not identify.
I haven't grown at this property before and I didn't realize how bad the pests flee the fields around harvest time. That's one source of them for sure, but I've never had it this bad when it comes to pests. Usually I don't even have to worry about them. This winter was terrible
KlompenOG
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Heavily depends on when we're talking about. During mid-winter it got VERY cold in there. We had a few nights that were around -30. I know that stunted the one set of them for sure. I'm certain it contributed to the stress level overall. As far as air flow, there's no specific airflow yet. What I mean is I am messing with the chamber at least 2-3 times a day so they get plenty of air movement during those times but its completely sealed during lights off. I will be changing that soon here with a top vent system.
Observe & Report
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Honestly, your mature plants look very sickly . No leaves and what looks to be advanced potassium deficiency. Fix your root zone issues and keep those leaves healthy then your intersex problem will probably disappear and your quality and yield will go way up.
cbizzle
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So is this one done or still going? I guess I’ve never seen 100% defoliation. Zero fan leaves on that bad ride lol. I’d be stressed too.I know nothing about Bad Dawg genetics other than the fact that when my sseed collection was destroyed by heat, a kind soul sent me some spare freebie seed packs he had laying around. I got some interesting results out of them, but I have also had a LOT of problems with herming(literally 100% herm rate on everything I have flowered
So clearly something is testing the genetics pretty hard, but now that I have the pests under control we should see for sure with the next plants going in. I know that's long winded but I want to make it clear that I think the herming I got on this Gooey 13 is probably not its fault. So far despite having picked literally hundreds of nanners off of it during bad outbreaks, none of the bud appears to be seeded. So I think she's another one making nanners with little or no pollen. With the number of them there is no way I plucked them all. Despite all of that though, I have kept a clone of this girl and I got it from her before I put her into flower(so it hasn't hermed)
ANYWAY.... here is Gooey 13, the sweet apricot-tasting beast
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KlompenOG
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Oh its done. Wet weight was approximately 8-10 ounces, but I'm not selling this stuff so that's as exact as I care about. The fan leaves mostly wilted off during flower and were removed. Look at the mulch layer. Some of the defoliation was definitely the bugs though. J1 Hashplant is going in with a lot of big healthy leaves at least.
KlompenOG
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I have repeatedly stated that they were covered in numerous pests.....
Snowback
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Lots of potential there. GL.
KlompenOG
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Gooey 13 lives on via the laziest cloning method around. I just stick them in a solo cup full of coir that is hydrated to exactly field capacity(basically what it can hold without dripping) and then I cut, scrape, apply honey, and then apply rooting hormones before I put them in the solo cup and put a DQ sundae lid over it because its a perfect fit. If you get the moisture level right it basically forms a little terrarium. If you have a good clean cutting it can be incredible how long they will live like that. G13 here took around 40 days to root but looked beautiful the whole time and I barely had to pay any attention to it.
higher self
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I root in plain water. Just cut & stick it in a water bottle with the water level near the end of the stem you cut. I get roots in 7-10 days no rooting hormones. Works well in warmer months but not in cold season.
KlompenOG
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Water cloning is sensible, but there's a few reasons I have changed to this method(usually). Back in the day on Overgrow, I designed a shoebox cloner that used air stones in the bottom of a little tote with foam plugs to hold each cutting. The thing worked great. It could root 20 cuttings at a time and got it done in 3-5 days, but it was also a lot of work to set up and also to clean. I would use that again if I needed so many cuttings, but the really nice thing about the sit-and-forget method is that it roots into a medium with no need for hardening off. Basically once I see it start to go pale in the way a plant does when it lacks nitrogen I know its rooted and can start feeding it. Definitely not the "best" cloning method all around but it works well for what I'm doing. The rooting hormone is optional, but the honey is not in my opinion. Honey is amazing stuff. I find the combo of the two works great though. Having a pest-free cutting is a big deal though no matter what method. I was really lucky I got such a clean cutting off of Gooey 13 considering the amount of pests she had on her.
Snowback
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I've wondered in the past if that would work but was too scared to try.
higher self
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Same water, I use tap. Its pretty much the kratky method for clones. After cutting soak them at a higher water level then after a day or two put the water level near the end of the stem, the stem just barely in the water. You will even see at times the root growing above water level using the stem as a wick. Can't say it works well for every plant but when you find ones that do and are keepers its great. I find water bottles work best, its enough water for it to not get algae & the bottle neck shape helps to prop the cuttings up above the water.