boysetsfire
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Ok guys, thanks.
But, will that deficiency destroy trichomes on smaller leaves? Because the are also affected.
But, will that deficiency destroy trichomes on smaller leaves? Because the are also affected.
I have HUGE problem with my late stage flowering plant. Need help FAST
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xtsho
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You aren't going to fix that. Too late in the game. There is no fix in a bottle. Just run base nutes and ditch the phosphorus plus, bud candy, and calmag. People are quick to add more stuff to fix an issue when taking something away is the correct remedy.
I also don't understand why people go out of their way to reduce N in flower and then use a product like Bud Candy that is just magnesium nitrate. The NPK of magnesium nitrate is 11-0-0.
The time people spend cutting off leaves and staring at their plants for hours on end would be better utilized learning simple basic plant nutrition and what nutrient is responsible for what. That way people would understand what's those ingredients listed on the labels are.
I also don't understand why people go out of their way to reduce N in flower and then use a product like Bud Candy that is just magnesium nitrate. The NPK of magnesium nitrate is 11-0-0.
The time people spend cutting off leaves and staring at their plants for hours on end would be better utilized learning simple basic plant nutrition and what nutrient is responsible for what. That way people would understand what's those ingredients listed on the labels are.
Wastei
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I think they have since changed the formula of Bud Candy. The only mineral salt in it is potassium sulfate. Had to check list of ingredients out, still snake oil though!
Used to be just magnesium nitrate and simple sugars. Now a whole bunch of "mumbo jumbo" stuff.
xtsho
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I just googled "bud candy label" and looked at the first one. I just went and looked at others and found at least three different formulations. I didn't come across the potassium sulfate version but I believe you when you say it exists. Just goes to show that it's the name selling the product and not what's in it. What grower wouldn't think Bud Candy would be great for growing buds. Magnesium nitrate, magnesium sulfate, B vitamins, malt extract, it doesn't matter what they put in the bottle. It mostly water anyway. It sells because of the name just like so many other cannabis specific nutrient products.
Leeski
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^ all day long Stella post
Wastei
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They pay pretty hefty fines every year for false claims and misleading marketing. Still people buy in to it and promote their stuff.
Even on this forum, fascinating with most people's incapability to learn. Most people have no own interest in actual understanding a subject and how to build knowledge. They just want an easy way out of every single situation.
xtsho
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Too bad so many people don't realize that nutrient brand is unimportant. What matters is what's in it. The biggest cause of people messing up their plants and frying them to a crisp is from dumping all this crap on them. When one wreaks havoc on their grow they switch to some other brand. Same crap just different bottles. And around and around they go. Always reaching for another bottle to fix a problem that was caused by using too much stuff to begin with.
Oregon has a stop sale order for Bud Candy. They can't sell it in this state but you can order it online and get it if you really wanted it. Why you'd want to I have no idea.
Fertilizer program stop sales list
The products listed below are under a current stop sale, use, or removal order. They are not legal for sale or distribution in Oregon.
| 07/09/2019 | ADVANCED NUTRIENTS | 0-0-1 Bud Candy Organic* | Advanced Nutrients | Unregistered |
| 06/13/2019 | ADVANCED NUTRIENTS | Bud Candy Critical Carbohydrates Mix For Big Sugary Nugs |
| Advanced Nutrients | Fertilizer civil penalty | 2 | ORS 633.366(1)(a) | $2,875 | 11/21/2018 |
| Advanced Nutrients | Fertilizer civil penalty | 2 | ORS 633.366(1)(c) | $1,000 | 11/21/2018 |
| Advanced Nutrients | Fertilizer civil penalty | 2 | ORS 633.366(1)(a) | $2,875 | 11/21/2018 |
| Advanced Nutrients | Fertilizer civil penalty | 2 | ORS 633.366(1)(c) | $1,000 | 11/21/2018 |
| Advanced Nutrients | Fertilizer civil penalty | 4 | ORS 633.366(1)(a) | $1,500 | 02/07/2018 |
| Advanced Nutrients | Fertilizer civil penalty | 1 | ORS 633.366(1)(c) | $250 | 02/07/2018 |
| Advanced Nutrients | Fertilizer civil penalty | 4 | ORS 633.366(1)(a) | $1,500 | 02/07/2018 |
| Advanced Nutrients | Fertilizer civil penalty | 1 | ORS 633.366(1)(c) | $250 | 02/07/2018 |
| Advanced Nutrients Ltd. | Fertilizer civil penalty | 3 | ORS 633.366(1)(a) | $5,000 | 12/04/2019 |
| Advanced Nutrients Ltd. | Fertilizer civil penalty | 2 | ORS 633.366(1)(c) | $1,500 | 12/04/2019 |
DoubleAtotheRON
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You say your PH is low 6's. How are you measuring this?
boysetsfire
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I have a probe and also I fill 1/2 of cup with soil from the pot and then mix it with 7.0pH water, then I mix it and let it sit for 15 minutes. After that I use pH meter to measure that. Also I measure runoff pH. So it's around 6.2-6.4.
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boysetsfire
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I think it's too low, because it looks like magnesium and calcium are locked when pH is that low.
I was thinking to water her next time with , let's say, 7.5pH water so I can rise pH in soil. Will that work?
I was thinking to water her next time with , let's say, 7.5pH water so I can rise pH in soil. Will that work?
boysetsfire
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Also, it would be good if you could answer on this question. Thanks!
DoubleAtotheRON
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That was my though is that your locking out your nutes due to low ph. I use a top of the line Apera digital soil probe meter, and find that what you have going in, coming out are different than what the root zone actually buffers at. I’ve fed in 10.5 ph mix to correct low 5’s with a good flush. Got a thread on here somewhere about it.
Here: https://www.rollitup.org/t/hard-ph-corrections.1046732/
boysetsfire
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Thanks man.
But what about trichomes? Will they drop if small leaves get yellow?
But what about trichomes? Will they drop if small leaves get yellow?
boysetsfire
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So you think I should ditch even calmag and phosphorus?
Anyone else to confirm this?
DoubleAtotheRON
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Very possible, yes.
boysetsfire
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Damn....What should I do then? To harvest earlier?
DoubleAtotheRON
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No!.. just correct and keep going. Harvesting early is not going to do you any good.
boysetsfire
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DoubleAtotheRON
Do you also think I should ditch everything else except regular flowering feeding formula? I use Canna terra flores 2-2-4. Also I have one 3-5-7.
Which one is better? Opinion?
Do you also think I should ditch everything else except regular flowering feeding formula? I use Canna terra flores 2-2-4. Also I have one 3-5-7.
Which one is better? Opinion?
Budzbuddha
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Look …. Range ph to meet needs of PLANT ( 6.5 ) in that mix … stop doing runoff BS or mixing up soil in a cup of water crap. Dial in PH of water/ nutes going in and let the medium do the work.
I run similar soil / soil less mixes and only concentrate on what i put IN … not what comes out. You are K deficient… badly. Those leaves are stripping themselves ( edge yellowing) for it. K deficiency always mimics “ burn “ in appearance, your ph level is locking it out. As it gets worse , tips will go brown and necrotic. You only trying to stop progression. Give it a proper bloom feed , get a good ph pen and stop throwing kitchen sink at it.
ALL IT NEEDS IS A GOOD PH RANGED FEED.
Nothing else.
I run similar soil / soil less mixes and only concentrate on what i put IN … not what comes out. You are K deficient… badly. Those leaves are stripping themselves ( edge yellowing) for it. K deficiency always mimics “ burn “ in appearance, your ph level is locking it out. As it gets worse , tips will go brown and necrotic. You only trying to stop progression. Give it a proper bloom feed , get a good ph pen and stop throwing kitchen sink at it.
ALL IT NEEDS IS A GOOD PH RANGED FEED.
Nothing else.
xtsho
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That's why I said just base nutrients. They're using phosphorus plus, bud candy, and calmag. P, Ca, Mg, all antagonistic with K if used in excess. The base nutes have plenty of K but the plant can't get it. Probably from a combination of pH in the substrate and nutrient antagonism.
Most problems come from growers using too much.