AP: Fraud claims aimed in part at keeping Trump base loyal.

mooray

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The fall out from the Capital attack has just begun, there will be legal consequences for those involved, including any politicians and their cronies. If you are gonna overthrow the government you had best succeed, the usual punishment for such things was hanging not that long ago.
I try not to be too vindictive, but I have to say....the stories that popup from the fallout is my absolute favorite thing right now. You can just envision the dichotomy of some narcissistic self-perceived republican superhero like the "HEADS ON PIKES!!" guy crying in custody like a fatshit baby saying, "I didn't know we couldn't break into a federal building and assault federal employees waaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!". The only downside is that they probably won't be doing 5-10 in a federal prison like they should be and the, "oh he just got caught up in it all" thing will elicit a soft response from a judicial system that favors their demographic.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Roland arguing with either a narcist or a sociopath, he's not that stupid enough to believe the horseshit he's spouting and not conscientious enough to feel shame. He's not aware enough to imagine what the audience thinks of him, which is just as well, I'm sure he's been called an Oreo, fool and traitor by plenty of black folks. Trump managed to get support from some black people and we've seen the examples.
 

mooray

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It looks like the Washington Post has the nuts on the voter fraud con Trump has bene pulling.

The article is way too long, but it has some great infographics and details about how this has been propagated by the Republicans in Texas.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/interactive/2021/trump-election-fraud-texas-businessman-ramsland-asog/?itid=hp-top-table-main-0430b
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Wow...long, but well organized. I'd have to read it five times to really absorb it, but what I get out of it in the TLDR version is....there's a dude with a company that has been trying to spread bs election nonsense for the purpose of bringing in revenue and he somehow weaseled his way far enough through the chain to get the attention(i.e revenue) he needed.
 

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This afternoon, it was discovered that “the entire database” for the 2020 General election, showing the “Results Tally and Reporting,” has been deleted!

100 Percent Fed Up reports– President of the Arizona Senate Karen Fann has written a letter to Chairman Sellers, demanding answers.
Dear Chairman Sellers:
I am writing to seek your assistance and cooperation in the resolution of three (3) serious issues that have arisen in the course of the Senate’s ongoing audit of the returns of the November 3, 2020, general election in Maricopa County.
I. Ongoing Non-Compliance with the Legislative Subpoenas
The first issue concerns Maricopa County’s apparent intent to renege on its previous commitment to comply fully with the legislative subpoenas issued on January 13, 2021, which, as you know, Judge Thomason found were valid and enforceable.
To date, attorneys for Maricopa County have refused to produce virtual images of routers used in connection with the general election, relying on a conclusory and unsupported assertion that providing the routers would somehow “endanger the lives of law enforcement officers, their operations, or the protected health information and personal data of Maricopa County’s citizens.”If true, the fact that Maricopa County stores on its routers substantial quantities of citizens’ and employees’ highly sensitive personal information is an alarming indictment of the County’s lax data security practices, rather than of the legislative subpoenas.
Similarly, the County’s assertion that producing the internet routers for inspection would cost up to $6,000,000 seems at odds with Deputy County Attorney Joseph La Rue’s prior representation to Audit Liaison Ken Bennett that the routers already had been disconnected from the County’s network and were prepared for imminent delivery to the Senate.

Nevertheless, in an effort to resolve the dispute regarding production of the routers, we propose that agents of CyFIR, an experienced digital forensics firm and subcontractor of Cyber Ninjas, review virtual images of the relevant routers in Maricopa County facilities and in the presence of representatives of the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office. Such an arrangement would permit Maricopa County to retain custody and monitor the review of router data while ensuring that the Senate may access the information it requires—and to which it is constitutionally entitled—to successfully complete its audit. The Senate has no interest in viewing or taking possession of any information that is unrelated to the administration of the 2020 general election.
Separately, Maricopa County has refused to provide the passwords necessary to access vote tabulation devices. Its attorneys’ insistence that the County does not have custody or control of this information is belied by the County’s conduct of its own audits, which, if they were as comprehensive as they purported to be, almost certainly would have entailed use of the passwords to examine the tabulation devices, and it strains credulity to posit that the County has no contractual right to obtain (i.e., control of) password information from Dominion.
II. Chain of Custody and Ballot Organization Anomalies
As the audit has progressed, the Senate’s contractors have become aware of apparent omissions, inconsistencies, and anomalies relating to Maricopa County’s handling, organization, and storage of ballots.
We hope you can assist us in understanding these issues, including specifically the following:
    1. The County has not provided any chain-of-custody documentation for the ballots.Does such documentation exist, and if so, will it be produced?
    2. The bags in which the ballots were stored are not sealed, although the audit team has found at the bottom of many boxes cut seals of the type that would have sealed a ballot bag. Why were these seals placed at the bottom of the boxes?
    3. Batches within a box are frequently separated by only a divider without any indication of the corresponding batch numbers.In some cases, the batch dividers are missing altogether.This lack of organization has significantly complicated and delayed the audit team’s ballot processing efforts.What are the County’s procedures for sorting, organizing, and packaging ballot batches?
    4. Most of the ballot boxes were sealed merely with regular tape and not secured by any kind of tamper-evident seal.Is that the County’s customary practice for storing ballots?
    5. The audit team has encountered a significant number of instances in which there is a disparity between the actual number of ballots contained in a batch and the total denoted on the pink report slip accompanying the batch.In most of these instances, the total on the pink report slip is greater than the number of ballots in the batch, although there are a few instances in which the total is lower.What are the reasons for these discrepancies?For your reference, please see several illustrative (i.e., not comprehensive) examples in the table below:
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For your convenience, images of the corresponding pink report slips are attached in Exhibit A.
III. Deleted Databases
We have recently discovered that the entire “Database” directory from the D drive of the machine “EMSPrimary” has been deleted.
This removes election related details that appear to have been covered by the subpoena. In addition, the main database for the Election Management System (EMS) Software, “Results Tally and Reporting,” is not located anywhere on the EMSPrimary machine, even though all of the EMS Clients reference that machine as the location of the database. This suggests that the main database for all election-related data for the November 2020 General Election has been removed. Can you please advise as to why these folders were deleted, and whether there are any backups that may contain the deleted folders?

The image below shows the location of the files known to be deleted. In addition, the main database for “Results Tally and Reporting” is not present.


I am hopeful that we can constructively resolve these issues and questions without recourse to additional subpoenas or other compulsory processes.To that end, I invite you and any other officers or employees of Maricopa County (to include officials in the Elections Department) who possess knowledge or information concerning the matters set forth above to a meeting at the Arizona State Capitol on Tuesday, May 18, 2021, at 1:00 p.m. in Hearing Room 109. Chairman Petersen, former Secretary Bennett, and I will attend the meeting, which will be live-streamed to the public.
Please let me know at your earliest convenience whether you accept my invitation and, if so, which Maricopa County personnel will attend.
Thank you for your cooperation on these important issues of public concern.
Respectfully,

Karen Fann, President
Arizona State Senate
When inspectors received the boxes of ballots where the audit was being performed, the tamper-proof tape was cut on the boxes and the number of ballots inside the boxes was not the same as what was reported by the County reporter, and what was turned over to the Senate don’t line up.


A week before the machines were turned over, records were deleted by an administrator—this has to be treated as an act of intentional cover-up!



Going to be spun as 17.5% of Trump votes missing.
 

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Already going.

BREAKING: Trump Responds To 17.5% Ballot Discrepancy In Arizona, Claim That Biden Likely ‘Did Not Win’ The State
President Donald Trump issued a statement after it was reported that up to 17.5% of the ballots in Maricopa County, Arizona do not match the totals provided to auditors by the Maricopa County election officials. In the statement, President Trump slammed the election as “corrupt” and from the “third world.”

“A devastating letter written by Arizona Senate President Karen Fann on voting irregularities, and probably fraud, in Maricopa County during the 2020 Presidential Election. Even the database was illegally deleted after the subpoena to produce the information,” wrote President Trump, referring to the letter where it was revealed that there was a 17.5% discrepancy in the number of ballots provided versus the number of ballots listed in at least one instance. “Senate President Fann has invited Maricopa County officials to a public hearing on May 18 to allow them the opportunity to try to explain what happened to the missing databases, ballots, and other significant issues.”


President Trump added, “The Fake News and Lamestream Media is doing everything they can not to cover this major story. They just refuse to talk or report about it. They don’t want the United States or World to see what is going on with our corrupt, third world election.” President Trump also added a link to the letter written by Senate President Karen Fann.

As National File reported, this nearly-20% gap is far beyond what the Federal Elections Commission legally allows. According to political strategist Boris Ephsteyn, “It’s absolutely mind boggling, anything above a tiny fraction of a percentage is unacceptable, by the way, unacceptable according to the Federal Elections Commission.”

“We now know why the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors have been fighting this subpoena so hard, why Perkins Coie has come in, why the Democrats are pushing back, why you’ve got mainstream media melting down,” he explained, “Because they’re hiding this. They’re hiding the disaster in which they handled this election, and likely, the fact that Joe Biden did not win in Arizona.” (READ MORE: Mark Kelly Hires Perkins Coie To Sue National File, Here’s How You Can Help)
 

hanimmal

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Already going.

BREAKING: Trump Responds To 17.5% Ballot Discrepancy In Arizona, Claim That Biden Likely ‘Did Not Win’ The State
President Donald Trump issued a statement after it was reported that up to 17.5% of the ballots in Maricopa County, Arizona do not match the totals provided to auditors by the Maricopa County election officials. In the statement, President Trump slammed the election as “corrupt” and from the “third world.”

“A devastating letter written by Arizona Senate President Karen Fann on voting irregularities, and probably fraud, in Maricopa County during the 2020 Presidential Election. Even the database was illegally deleted after the subpoena to produce the information,” wrote President Trump, referring to the letter where it was revealed that there was a 17.5% discrepancy in the number of ballots provided versus the number of ballots listed in at least one instance. “Senate President Fann has invited Maricopa County officials to a public hearing on May 18 to allow them the opportunity to try to explain what happened to the missing databases, ballots, and other significant issues.”


President Trump added, “The Fake News and Lamestream Media is doing everything they can not to cover this major story. They just refuse to talk or report about it. They don’t want the United States or World to see what is going on with our corrupt, third world election.” President Trump also added a link to the letter written by Senate President Karen Fann.

As National File reported, this nearly-20% gap is far beyond what the Federal Elections Commission legally allows. According to political strategist Boris Ephsteyn, “It’s absolutely mind boggling, anything above a tiny fraction of a percentage is unacceptable, by the way, unacceptable according to the Federal Elections Commission.”

“We now know why the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors have been fighting this subpoena so hard, why Perkins Coie has come in, why the Democrats are pushing back, why you’ve got mainstream media melting down,” he explained, “Because they’re hiding this. They’re hiding the disaster in which they handled this election, and likely, the fact that Joe Biden did not win in Arizona.” (READ MORE: Mark Kelly Hires Perkins Coie To Sue National File, Here’s How You Can Help)
Its is easy when you write the trolls prior to doing all the hard work of duct taping black light boxes together for the scam.
 

hanimmal

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/05/16/trump-unhinged-arizona-republican-election/
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An Arizona Republican who heads up the county elections department that is the target of a GOP audit of the 2020 election results condemned former president Donald Trump for continuing to push false claims of electoral fraud months after his defeat and called his recent comments “unhinged.”

Maricopa County Recorder Stephen Richer on Saturday called on Republicans to stop supporting Trump’s baseless claims of widespread fraud and slammed the former president for falsely accusing Maricopa County of deleting an elections database.

“This is unhinged,” Richer tweeted, adding that he was “literally looking at our voter registration database on my other screen. Right now. We can’t indulge these insane lies any longer. As a party. As a state. As a country.”

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Richer’s comments reflect the escalating tensions over what Republicans in Arizona’s largest county see as a controversial election review commissioned by the GOP-led state Senate. After using a legislative subpoena to seize Maricopa County’s 2.1 million ballots and its voting machines, Arizona Senate President Karen Fann (R) has pushed for county supervisors to come to the chamber to answer questions from the private auditors she has hired to conduct the review.

Jack Sellers (R), chairman of the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors, declared that the recount of the 2020 election results in the county was becoming “dangerous.”

“This is not funny,” he wrote in a statement Thursday.

Republican chairman of Arizona county calls state-led election review ‘dangerous’ as tensions rise over 2020 recount

Maricopa County officials and Gov. Doug Ducey (R) have repeatedly certified President Biden’s win in the 2020 election. He was the first Democrat in nearly 25 years to win the state. But that hasn’t stopped the auditors — led by a Florida firm whose founder has promoted baseless claims of election fraud — from continuing a review that has raised concernsfrom the Justice Department about whether the partisan audit is violating federal law.

In a recent letter to the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors, Fann alleged not only that officials had deleted files from a server but also that the county had not turned over virtual images of routers used for the election. Maricopa County Sheriff Paul Penzone (D) criticized such a request, saying that handing over access to sensitive law enforcement information to the state Senate and Cyber Ninjas, one of the firms hired by Fann for the audit, would be “mind-numbingly reckless and irresponsible.”

Nevertheless, Fann’s letter got Trump’s attention, and he called the allegations that she presented without evidence “devastating.”

Before his tweets Saturday, Richer, who became recorder in January after defeating a Democratic incumbent, was outspoken about his disgust over Republicans continuing to rally around Trump’s false election claims.

“Enough with the defamation. Enough with the unfounded allegations,” Richer tweeted Thursday. “I came to this office to competently, fairly, and lawfully administer the duties of the office. Not to be accused by own party of shredding ballots and deleting files for an election I didn’t run. Enough.”

His sentiment was shared by Sellers, who rebuked Cyber Ninjas in several tweets. The chairman has said that the auditors “are in way over their heads.”

The Twitter account for Maricopa County tweeted that the board will hold a public meeting Monday. The account quoted Sellers, who said the meeting would be held “to refute lies and lay out facts about these issues,” in the hope of quelling some of the widening divide among Republicans in the state.

“I know you all have grown weary of lies and half-truths six months after 2020 General Elections,” he said.
 

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Trump: 'Great Politically' for Republicans to Talk Arizona Election Audit
Former President Donald Trump said Republicans would benefit greatly from talking about Arizona's 2020 election audit.

The Arizona Senate hired an audit team last month to begin reviewing nearly 2.1 million ballots cast in Maricopa County, along with machines used to conduct the 2020 election.

"That’s all people ask me. They say, 'What’s going on in Arizona?'" Trump told One America News in an interview that aired Thursday night, The Epoch Times reported.

"They want to talk about the election fraud. The weak Republicans don’t want to talk about it. The weak or stupid or RINOs [Republican in name only], call them whatever you want, and yet the Republican voter, that's what they want to hear.

"They want to hear about 2020. They want to find out, is that something that should be turned over? When they rob a jewelry store of all the diamonds and they get caught, you have to return the diamonds. They want to find out what's going on. The Republican voter wants the story. The weak Republican politician doesn't want to talk about this story because they think it's bad politically."

Trump believes otherwise. "I think it's great politically," he said.

President Joe Biden defeated Trump by more than 45,000 votes in heavily Republican Maricopa County. That resulted in a 10,000-vote victory statewide for Biden.

Although Arizona Republicans have been vocal in supporting the audit, Reps. Paul Gosar, R-Ariz. and Andy Biggs, R-Ariz., have not been joined by many national level GOP lawmakers.

Trump said that if current Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., had been more focused more on election integrity, he would have defeated Biden.

"Other than fundraising, he’s really weak," Trump said of McConnell.

Rep. Elise Stefanik, R-Ariz., who last week replaced Rep. Liz Cheney, R-Wyo., as the House Republican Conference chair, spoke of the audit.

But Cheney talks about it and she gets demoted for dwelling on the past rather than moving on.
 

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More than 3M ballots were cast in Wisconsin — officials have flagged just 27 as possible frauds
Of the more than 3 million ballots cast in the 2020 election in Wisconsin, only 27 are potentially fraudulent, according to documents obtained by The Associated Press.

Sixteen of the ballots in question had a UPS store as the mailing address rather than a residence as is required, the AP reported. The clerk sent the voters a letter giving them 30 days to register at a residential address for future elections.

Aside from those cases, four people voted both in person and by mail, one person was a convicted felon, and one absentee ballot was returned by the voter’s son. In addition, three people voted in two places, one person returned two absentee ballots, and one person wasn’t allowed to vote because they had been adjudicated incompetent.

Since ballots are secret, it’s unclear who the people voted for. It’s also unclear if they were Democrat or Republican since voters in the state do not register by political party, the AP noted.
 

hanimmal

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When Arizona’s secretary of state asked me if I would serve as an observer of the Arizona Senate’s audit of Maricopa County’s ballots, I expected to see some unusual things. Post-election audits and recounts are almost always conducted under the authority of local election officials, who have years of knowledge and experience. The idea of a government handing over control of ballots to an outside group, as the state Senate did when hiring a Florida contractor with no elections experience, was bizarre. This firm, Cyber Ninjas, insisted that it would recount and examine all 2.1 million ballots cast in the county in the 2020 general election.

So I figured it would be unconventional. But it was so much worse than that. In more than a decade working on elections, audits and recounts across the country, I’ve never seen one this mismanaged.

I counted votes in Michigan. There’s no way to commit fraud.
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A political litmus test for Republicans: Fail it, lose your TV slot

I also observed other auditors working on a “forensic paper audit,” flagging ballots as “suspicious” for a variety of reasons. One was presidential selection: If someone thought the voter’s choice looked as though it had been marked by a machine, they flagged it as “anomalous.” Another was “missing security markers.” (It’s virtually impossible for a ballot to be missing its security markers, since voting equipment is designed to reject ballots without them.) The third was paper weight — the forensics tables had scales for weighing ballots, though I never saw anyone use them — and texture. Volunteers scrutinized ballots for, of all things, bamboo fibers. Only later, after the shift, did I learn that this was connected to groundless speculation that fake ballots had been flown in from South Korea.

The fourth reason was folding. The auditors reasoned that only absentee voters would fold their ballots; an in-person, Election Day voter would take a flat ballot, mark it in the booth and submit it, perfectly pristine. I almost had to laugh: In my experience, voters will fold ballots every which way, no matter where they vote or what the ballot instructs them to do. Chalk it up to privacy concerns or individual quirks — but no experienced elections official would call that suspicious.

At one point, I overheard some volunteers excitedly discussing a stain on a ballot. “It looks like a Cheeto finger,” one said. “Like someone’s touched it with cheese dust!” That had to be suspicious, their teammate agreed. Why would someone come to the polls with cheese powder on their hands? But I’ve seen ballots stained with almost anything you can imagine, including coffee, grease and, yes, cheese powder. Again, when you have experience working with hundreds of thousands of ballots, you see some messes: That’s evidence of humanity’s idiosyncrasies, not foul play.

Their equipment worried me more than their wild theorizing. At the forensics tables, auditors took a photo of each ballot using a camera suspended by a frame, then passed the ballot to someone operating a lightbox with four microscope cameras attached. This was a huge deviation from the norm. Usually, all equipment that election officials use to handle a ballot — from creating to scanning to tallying it — has been federally tested and certified; often, states will conduct further tests before their jurisdictions accept the machines. It jarred me to see volunteers using this untested, uncertified equipment on ballots, claiming that the images would be used at some point in the future for an electronic re-tally.

Democrats lavishly praising U.S. elections are overlooking a major weakness

In a sense, it was heartening that, whenever the secretary of state released letters listing our concerns, the auditors would try to address them. On my first day in the arena, for example, I noticed runners collecting tally sheets from the counting tables and bringing them to a single person who entered the data into some kind of aggregation spreadsheet, without anyone to verify that this person was entering the data correctly. By my last day of observation, on May 7, the auditors were attempting to set up a quality-control station.

But procedures should never change in the middle of an audit. Here, they did, and not just a couple of times, but almost daily. The training for volunteers also evolved: At first, they got no guidance about how to determine a voter’s intent on a ballot; only a week later did the auditors add a few slides to their training presentation, summarizing a few scenarios in which the volunteers might run into this issue. When I asked my designated auditor about these shifting guidelines, he called it “process improvement.”

What I saw in Arizona shook me. If the process wraps up and Cyber Ninjas puts together some kind of report, that report will almost certainly claim that there were issues with Maricopa County’s ballots. After all, Cyber Ninjas chief executive Doug Logan has publicly voiced his wild conjecture about the 2020 election.
But the real problem is the so-called audit itself.

Audits are supposed to make our elections more secure and transparent — to strengthen the public’s trust in our democratic process. Maricopa County is known for having some of the best election practices in the country: Officials had already undertaken a hand-count audit and a forensic audit of their 2020 ballots and found no evidence of fraud. Now a group with no expertise, improvising procedures as it goes, is sowing doubt about the result of a well-run election.

This is not an audit, and I don’t see how this can have a good outcome.
 

hanimmal

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What is the chances that Trump runs for a House/senate seat in Florida? DeSantis bs law about politicians not being able to be banned from platforms was why I thought about it originally. Trump won't be able to become POTUS, but he and his brood could pull off some deep red seats out of Flordia I bet.

Im still listening to this so not sure if it fits into it or not, but it triggered my brainfart I had earlier.

Edit: Biden and the Democrats are not just running against Trump, the Republicans are all proven to be as disfunctional as a group too. So the Democrats need to still run against the insurrectionist/obstructionist lying trolling Republicans.
 
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DIY-HP-LED

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What is the chances that Trump runs for a House/senate seat in Florida? DeSantis bs law about politicians not being able to be banned from platforms was why I thought about it originally. Trump won't be able to become POTUS, but he and his brood could pull off some deep red seats out of Flordia I bet.

Im still listening to this so not sure if it fits into it or not, but it triggered my brainfart I had earlier.

Edit: Biden and the Democrats are not just running against Trump, the Republicans are all proven to be as disfunctional as a group too. So the Democrats need to still run against the insurrectionist/obstructionist lying trolling Republicans.
Donald won't have to run for the senate, he can force Marco to resign his senate seat and have Desantis appoint him to it. Thousands will show up at Marco's house, then there will be dozens of death threats a day as Donald does his stochastic terrorism routine on him by whipping up his lunatics. Donald can then take control of the senate leadership from Mitch and show them all how it's done! :lol: Once he gets the seat he won't resign and he won't show up for critical votes either, he will keep the senate seat while serving time in prison too! He can't be embarrassed to resign, so he keeps it, while he gets the GOP nomination and runs for POTUS, from his prison cell.

Donald has so much power among the racist base because he is the only one willing to break the law and constitution to give the base what they really want, genocide. He will need to destroy democracy, the rule of law and the constitution to get absolute power and the base really only wants one thing, make America white and to do that requires a genocide that makes Nazi Germany look like amateur hour. Don't kid yourself, even if most of his base does, this is where it all leads, it is the logical end of the road. If to them black people are the cause of all of America's problems, then eliminate the people to eliminate the problems.

One third want death, one third is morally confused and one third will be horrified, but powerless and among the victims.
 

hanimmal

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Donald won't have to run for the senate, he can force Marco to resign his senate seat and have Desantis appoint him to it. Thousands will show up at Marco's house, then there will be dozens of death threats a day as Donald does his stochastic terrorism routine on him by whipping up his lunatics. Donald can then take control of the senate leadership from Mitch and show them all how it's done! :lol: Once he gets the seat he won't resign and he won't show up for critical votes either, he will keep the senate seat while serving time in prison too! He can't be embarrassed to resign, so he keeps it, while he gets the GOP nomination and runs for POTUS, from his prison cell.

Donald has so much power among the racist base because he is the only one willing to break the law and constitution to give the base what they really want, genocide. He will need to destroy democracy, the rule of law and the constitution to get absolute power and the base really only wants one thing, make America white and to do that requires a genocide that makes Nazi Germany look like amateur hour. Don't kid yourself, even if most of his base does, this is where it all leads, it is the logical end of the road. If to them black people are the cause of all of America's problems, then eliminate the people to eliminate the problems.

One third want death, one third is morally confused and one third will be horrified, but powerless and among the victims.
But he is so weak, even Florida might be a stretch to win statewide. That is funny about Marco though, that would be interesting to see if that is something the governor could do.

A house seat is a sure thing and gets Trump into office to keep his con going on the tax payer's dime. Imagine, he could still 'advertise'/troll/con nationwide while actually having a shoe string budget on a local level.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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But he is so weak, even Florida might be a stretch to win statewide. That is funny about Marco though, that would be interesting to see if that is something the governor could do.

A house seat is a sure thing and gets Trump into office to keep his con going on the tax payer's dime. Imagine, he could still 'advertise'/troll/con nationwide while actually having a shoe string budget on a local level.
The social media law is a joke, Facebook and Twitter can ban anybody they like for any reason they want, they are private businesses. Anybody can pass unconstitutional laws, enforcing them is the issue. Only the federal government can regulate social media and they need to pass a constitutionally consistent law to do it. No one can be forced to carry Donald's lies and hate on their backs.

Donald could run for office, but he might be in prison by the end of the year, it sure looks like a distinct possibility. He committed far too many crimes to be walking around loose for long. Though the longer he walks around loose the more damage he does to the GOP and if he's still free by election season, the republican platform will be "I was robbed" and nothing more than Donald's grievance. I have to say though, you can't really damage the republicans politically more than they are already are, nothing seems to matter to the majority of white voters who are determined to give them power. They are perfectly willing to burn the house down with themselves inside it, rather than give it up and allow the country to move into the 21st century.
 
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