browning sugar leaves = time to harvest?

[Wizzlebiz]

I fell flat a few times. mainly by over watering soil.

I also had plants do the same sugar leaf die off that the OP has.

Easy to over water in soil for sure.

Much harder to do in grow bags. Still possible but harder for sure.

 

[Wizzlebiz]

I will say that if OP wants to try soilless they should go for it. But I would do a soil grow at the same time to ensure one of the 2 makes it lol.

 

[lusidghost]

Veg isn't really the concern tbh. It's flowering that you should be worried about.

Here is the thing. Say you go coco. You need to water daily as well as feed with every watering. It absolutely depends on your skills to get it right every single time without fail. Because if you fuck up the plants will show it fast. Again they rely on you to give the right stuff at the right time.

If you get the basics of what a plant needs when you mess up and how to fix it 1st then moving to a soilless grow should become easier.

Getting the basics down in soil which is more forgiving means you have more time between onset issues and serious problems to fix it.

Soilless not so much.

I've been trying to tell everyone that they don't need to water daily, but no one believes me. Also you mix up a res worth. You're typically not mixing a fresh batch every time. And it's just part A, part B, whatever else, PH up. It's not hard if you have decent meters. It's more of learning to resist bombarding the plant with nutrients. Soil sounds complicated to me. You are all top dressing and making teas and whatnot. Which I will admit sounds delicious.

But I do see your point. You mostly just water and then go on vacation. Mostly just to rub it on our faces. And I would do the same.

 

[Lucky Luke]

I've been trying to tell everyone that they don't need to water daily, but no one believes me. Also you mix up a res worth. You're typically not mixing a fresh batch every time. And it's just part A, part B, whatever else, PH up. It's not hard if you have decent meters. It's more of learning to resist bombarding the plant with nutrients. Soil sounds complicated to me. You are all top dressing and making teas and whatnot. Which I will admit sounds delicious.

But I do see your point. You mostly just water and then go on vacation. Mostly just to rub it on our faces. And I would do the same.

Chemicals are pretty easy eh.
Hempy buckets and you can go away for the weekend, no pumps no nadda.

 

[lusidghost]

Chemicals are pretty easy eh.
Hempy buckets and you can go away for the weekend, no pumps no nadda.

I've been using a bunch of 6" coco cubes to make a low profile 2' x 2' bed. I've been watering every other day during flower just to keep the nutrients balanced, but I could probably go four or five days before they actually wilt.

 

[Lucky Luke]

and no fkn gnats! lol

 

[Wizzlebiz]

I've been trying to tell everyone that they don't need to water daily, but no one believes me. Also you mix up a res worth. You're typically not mixing a fresh batch every time. And it's just part A, part B, whatever else, PH up. It's not hard if you have decent meters. It's more of learning to resist bombarding the plant with nutrients. Soil sounds complicated to me. You are all top dressing and making teas and whatnot. Which I will admit sounds delicious.

But I do see your point. You mostly just water and then go on vacation. Mostly just to rub it on our faces. And I would do the same.

Nah I don't make tea. Nor do I top dress. I water and add feed when needed to the water. Simple. I just can't address the plants daily. It's not realistic for me.

 

[sarahJane211]

Here is the thing. Say you go coco. You need to water daily as well as feed with every watering. It absolutely depends on your skills to get it right every single time without fail. Because if you fuck up the plants will show it fast. Again they rely on you to give the right stuff at the right time.

I ended up feeding/watering every other day in my 5gal fabric pots.

 

[Rurumo]

I ended up feeding/watering every other day in my 5gal fabric pots.

That's the nice thing about bigger bags of coco. Idk though, if I didn't want to water everyday, I'd just go with soil rather than bigger pots of coco. My 3 gal pots need watering twice per day at the bare minimum, and honestly, I'm not taking full advantage of the medium at that rate. My next grow will be in living soil. Coco is fun, but it's time for a change.

 

[ColoradoHighGrower]

probably go four or five days before they actually wilt.

Same here, in 5 & 7gal fabric smartpots

and no fkn gnats

Good airflow good for that as well!

 

[lusidghost]

That's the nice thing about bigger bags of coco. Idk though, if I didn't want to water everyday, I'd just go with soil rather than bigger pots of coco. My 3 gal pots need watering twice per day at the bare minimum, and honestly, I'm not taking full advantage of the medium at that rate. My next grow will be in living soil. Coco is fun, but it's time for a change.

It got close, but I never had to water 3 gallons more than once a day. I was scrogging 6 plants per 4x4 though, so if I were growing a fewer number per light I probably would have had to add another feeding.

 

[Wizzlebiz]

I ended up feeding/watering every other day in my 5gal fabric pots.

Fair enough. However the rest still stands true as does watering daily for most with coco.

The need for nurtrient accuracy doesnt bode well for brand new growers imo.

 

[ColoradoHighGrower]

I'm optimal at water&feed once every 2 or 3 days now at about week 3 of 12/12, 2x315w lec, scrog in coco/sphag/perlite/castings/amendments. 4 or 5 days is pushing it depending on temps

 

[lusidghost]

If you sit your transplant on top of the coco instead of burying it, regardless of pot size, it will be nearly impossible to overwater. You could leave some room in the pot and fill in around it once the plant has become established.

 

[Overgrowtho]

So I've started a new thread which is further to this topic of growing with soiless instead of soil for ease. For me it is clearly easier with soiless so far.

But as @Wizzlebiz eluded, one must always be careful to dial in the fertigation regiment carefully. Thus I have started a new thread showing my setup and asking about this. So any pros, please chime in with your much appreciated and valuable advice, thanks:

My 99% fully automated grow. Finally added the fertigation part! How much to fertigate per plant per day?

Here it is. I'm running Dr. Bugbee's formula of soil-less mix and I've got a 200 litre reservoir connected to a an RV/Yacht pump and wifi irrigation timer/soil moisture sensor. I'm using smart plugs, co2 wifi controller, wifi hydrometer, infrared remote, dehumidifier and webcam. All is working...

www.rollitup.org

 

[MB104]

Here is the one that finished in only 7 weeks of flowering.

I can vouch for that I got 2 wedding cakes going now it’s day 47 today and 1 wc pheno from seeed done no more white hairs the other wc will be done day 60

 

[Overgrowtho]

I guess can vary widely. I think I have two that will be done with 8 or 9 and two week 10 or 11.

 

[Wastei]

I guess can vary widely. I think I have two that will be done with 8 or 9 and two week 10 or 11.

When starting out, add about 4 weeks on your calculated harvest time. I'd say 90 days is bare minimum for any soil grown from flip IMO. They're done when ripe. You're currently harvesting to early.

 

[Wastei]

My super soil was:
Mycorrhizae, Worm Castings, Blood Meal, Bat Guano, Fish Bone Meal, Kelp, Epsom Salt, Dolomite, Azomite, Humic Acid, Gypsum, Rice Hulls, Pumice, Oyster Shell, Soybean Meal, Alfalfa, Coco Coir, Fish Fertilizer

Daily fertigation in flower was occasional plain water or 1 of the following:
1. 48 hr aerated Tea Fulvic acid Humic acid Potassium humate Kelp extract Worm castings Bat guano Compost Molasses
2. Organic fertilizer Biobizz Topmax and Bloom
3. Water after apply top dressing 1kg Bonemeal 1kg Crabmeal 1kg Kelp Meal 250 gr Humic 750 gr Azomite

I was watering daily in flower about .5 up to 1 gallon each time. I had fungus gnat problems.

Where did I go wrong?

Did you "cook" the soil for a couple of months before use? Like many other are suggesting you're way overdoing it. I wouldn't just add coir as a substrate to a super soil either. I would rather add compost, peat/coir and perlite . I think you would have a much easier time with low amount of peat/coir and the rest perlite and just run a complete salt based plant food high in sulfur.

I would start with the bottles in the beginning. If you really want to run Biobizz "Top max" is a totally bogus and worthless product. You do better by spending that money on fish emulsion. It's very easy to overdo fulvic acid in soil and if you don't have a ready solution I wouldn't use it. Good luck!

 

[Overgrowtho]

When starting out, add about 4 weeks on your calculated harvest time. I'd say 90 days is bare minimum for any soil grown from flip IMO. They're done when ripe. You're currently harvesting to early.

Now I am running soiless -- you wouldnt generally characterize those as having 90 days right? Seems about 75 would be more close, from what I heard.

Did you "cook" the soil for a couple of months before use? Like many other are suggesting you're way overdoing it. I wouldn't just add coir as a substrate to a super soil either. I would rather add compost, peat/coir and perlite . I think you would have a much easier time with low amount of peat/coir and the rest perlite and just run a complete salt based plant food high in sulfur.

I would start with the bottles in the beginning. If you really want to run Biobizz "Top max" is a totally bogus and worthless product. You do better by spending that money on fish emulsion. It's very easy to overdo fulvic acid in soil and if you don't have a ready solution I wouldn't use it. Good luck!

Maybe it was indeed the fulvic and hot soil. I didnt know what I was doing, and over fed and over fed without having the best base.
Salt based is a hell of a lot easier and cleaner, fogiving and idiot proof.