Random Jabber Jibber thread

[FresnoFarmer]

I read, and he has subsequently apologised for it, that he claimed masks were not necessary at the beginning because they knew there would be a run on them and they wanted to make sure med. and 1st responder personnel had them. Hell, look at what happened with paper goods and cleaning products

That’s not a very good reason to tell everybody not to mask if you actually believe they work. Just seems like the WHO and CDC are wishy washy based on politics and not the data.

 

[raratt]

I remember when he said you shouldn’t be wearing mask during a pandemic.

That was said at the beginning of the outbreak before it was widespread in the country and he was worried about the supply for front line workers who definitely needed them. As it became obvious that it was spreading in the population he changed that view.

 

[BudmanTX]

 

[FresnoFarmer]

That was said at the beginning of the outbreak before it was widespread in the country and he was worried about the supply for front line workers who definitely needed them. As it became obvious that it was spreading in the population he changed that view.

Just seems like an excuse to change his stance

 

[srh88]

Just seems like an excuse to change his stance

It was new then. That's like you buying a car thinking it got a 6 cylinder and you go buy 6 spark plugs.. take it to Larry down the street to change the plugs. But he tells you it's really a v8 so you need 8.. but you just leave because larry is wrong, because you were told it was a 6 cylinder when you first got it.

New discoveries man.

 

[raratt]

Just seems like an excuse to change his stance

Believe what you will. I will continue to listen to his recommendations. He has worked for presidents of both parties and I don't believe he has an allegiance to either.

 

[BudmanTX]

Just seems like an excuse to change his stance

it was cause of the science behind it....at first they didn't know untill further testing and eval....

 

[FresnoFarmer]

It was new then. That's like you buying a car thinking it got a 6 cylinder and you go buy 6 spark plugs.. take it to Larry down the street to change the plugs. But he tells you it's really a v8 so you need 8.. but you just leave because larry is wrong, because you were told it was a 6 cylinder when you first got it.

New discoveries man.

Not really. If there has been 14 random control trials stating that masks don’t have a significant effect at reducing transmission and then 1 new one pops up saying they do. You don’t just disregard all the other 14 studies based off of that 1.

 

[FresnoFarmer]

it was cause of the science behind it....at first they didn't know untill further testing and eval....

There should be more random control trials testing these kinds of things imo. I would love to see a RCT dealing with the effectiveness of the vaccines at stopping/reducing transmission of the virus. That way nobody is guessing.

 

[curious2garden]

That’s not a very good reason to tell everybody not to mask if you actually believe they work. Just seems like the WHO and CDC are wishy washy based on politics and not the data.

Science evolves. Initially they didn't understand that it was airborne. Then they found out it was even worse; aerosolized. They've backed off cleaning procedures now because it doesn't retain its infectivity for as long outside the body as once we believed it did.

Science is evolving even faster now they are focused on it. They believe they've found a Pan Coronavirus vaccine that will kill almost all variants. This means no more fear just a booster every so often (once we find out how long those neutralizing antibodies last).

My best advice to everyone I care about is get the mRNA vaccine and wear a mask until at least 2 weeks post vaccination.

 

[FresnoFarmer]

Science evolves. Initially they didn't understand that it was airborne. Then they found out it was even worse; aerosolized. They've backed off cleaning procedures now because it doesn't retain its infectivity for as long outside the body as once we believed it did.

Science is evolving even faster now they are focused on it. They believe they've found a Pan Coronavirus vaccine that will kill almost all variants. This means no more fear just a booster every so often (once we find out how long those neutralizing antibodies last).

My best advice to everyone I care about is get the mRNA vaccine and wear a mask until at least 2 weeks post vaccination.

I understand that science is evolving. I also heard about the pan coronavirus vaccine. I find it odd that they didn’t even test these vaccines for reducing transmission in the clinical trial, but they think they have a pan coronavirus vaccine already in the works. I tell everybody I care about to eat healthy, supplement vitamin D and zinc, wash their hands, and social distance.

 

[curious2garden]

I understand that science is evolving. I also heard about the pan coronavirus vaccine. I find it odd that they didn’t even test these vaccines for reducing transmission in the clinical trial, but they think they have a pan coronavirus vaccine already in the works. I tell everybody I care about to eat healthy, supplement vitamin D and zinc, wash their hands, and social distance.

Can COVID vaccines stop transmission? Scientists race to find answers

Controlling the pandemic will require shots that prevent viral spread, but that feature is difficult to measure.

www.nature.com

Transmission testing usually occurs subsequent to safety and efficacy testing as you do not have enough vaccinated subjects to draw a conclusion on transmissability. Also you usually need a larger cohort to extrapolate from. But it's happening now and it looks quite promising.

I'd be careful about recommending a fat soluble vitamin without baseline testing ;D But masking, washing hands, eating well are all excellent advice.

 

[lokie]

Can COVID vaccines stop transmission? Scientists race to find answers

Controlling the pandemic will require shots that prevent viral spread, but that feature is difficult to measure.

www.nature.com

Transmission testing usually occurs subsequent to safety and efficacy testing as you do not have enough vaccinated subjects to draw a conclusion on transmissability. Also you usually need a larger cohort to extrapolate from. But it's happening now and it looks quite promising.

I'd be careful about recommending a fat soluble vitamin without baseline testing ;D But masking, washing hands, eating well are all excellent advice.

 

[raratt]

Blue Jay nest is empty. Hopefully they fledged and flew away and didn't become a meal for the ravens/crows.

 

[DarkWeb]

Blue Jay nest is empty. Hopefully they fledged and flew away and didn't become a meal for the ravens/crows.

Jay's love peanuts. I get a lot here.

 

[GreatwhiteNorth]

We had a couple blue bird chicks that fledged in our yard - the privacy fence is 6' and it was poring for 2 days. We really had to watch the beagle but momma & daddy bird kept him in check & freaked him out when they would dive bomb him.

 

[curious2garden]

We had a couple blue bird chicks that fledged in our yard - the privacy fence is 6' and it was poring for 2 days. We really had to watch the beagle but momma & daddy bird kept him in check & freaked him out when they would dive bomb him.

How did the Jays handle his older brother?

 

[cannabineer]

Moon and Mercury.

 

[cannabineer]

 

[ChingOwn]

Hey, we're back! Rollie must have gotten drunk and tripped over a server wire again, I hate when that happens. How did you guys handle the outage?


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