Veterans...Get the hell in here now!

GreatwhiteNorth

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Somehow, none of that sinks to the level of his predecessor characterizing those Americans who gave their lives in uniform overseas as “suckers and losers”.
Years ago I shifted to "Undeclared" so I could vote for whom I wanted to.

I have yet to find any I want to though.
2 party system sucks balls!

~ Edit ~ Wayyyy off track, my apologies - I'll focus now.
 

thisbuds4u101

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You know I can understand why my words might upset some folks especially those that are supporters of our former President. But I do call them as I see them. That’s another reason why they fought for our country. Our ability to even have this conversation. I’m the last person on earth to political I judge no man and wish for the same. So think about that for a while folks again no harm meant to anyone who I offended.
 

smokinrav

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BarnBuster

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I wonder why it took over 70 years for it to be awarded to him?
Here's a couple of articles that explain some of it "Congress had approved a time waiver for the award. The law was tucked away in a military spending bill that passed earlier this year".
His MOH was a upgrade from his DSC so unless he (you can't self nominate) or others on his behalf petition for an upgrade it probably wouldn't happen. Also, military politics enter into the decision "If you upgrade anyone's award, that means you're questioning the judgment of the people who turned it down the first time...Nobody wants to offend or question the judgment of anyone prior to them lest in the future they get their judgment questioned too"

 
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BarnBuster

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Today in Military History:
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May 23, 1900, Sergeant William Harvey Carney is awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor for his bravery on July 18, 1863, while fighting for the Union cause as a member of the 54th Massachusetts Colored Infantry. Sgt. Carney, earned the honor for protecting one of the United States' greatest symbols during the Civil War -- the American flag.

(Many of the Civil War MOH’s issuance’s were for picking up the fallen colors (Flag) and advancing thru heavy sustained rifle and cannon fire. The Flag was an important and reverent rallying symbol for open field charging troops. Sharpshooters on both sides targeted Standard Bearers before officers. (The criteria for issuance of the MOH during the Civil War were different than later years and Congress set down guidelines in 1918 to clear away any inconsistencies of the legislation which had grown around the medal and to finalize rules for its award. 911 MOH’s were invalidated of the 2,625 that were issued during the US Civil War. Many of the Medal’s issuance’s were for picking up, protecting, retreiving the fallen colors and advancing. None of these Medals issued for those actions were ever invalidated.) bb​

"During the American Civil War, as in earlier conflicts, the flags of a combat unit (its "colors") held a special significance. They had a spiritual value; they embodied the very "soul" of the unit. Protecting a unit's flag from capture was paramount; losing one to the enemy was considered disgraceful . There were practical reasons for the flags as well, as the regimental flags marked the position of the unit during battle. The smoke and confusion of battle often scattered participants across the field. The flag served as a visual rallying point for soldiers and also marked the area where to attack the enemy. Carrying the colors for the regiment was the greatest honor for a soldier. Generally the flag bearers were selected or elected to their position by the men and officers of the unit. As one Union Colonel told his men, “the colors bear the same relation to the soldier as honesty and integrity do to manhood. It is the guiding star to victory. When in the smoke and din of battle the voice of the officer is drown by the roar of artillery, the true soldier turns his eye to the colors that he may not stray too far from it, and while it floats is conscious of his right and strength. Take it… guard it as you would the honor of the mother, wife or friend you left behind.”

He was the first African American to receive the Medal of Honor, which is the nation’s highest military honor. The 54th Massachusetts, formed in early 1863, served as the prototype for African American regiments in the Union army.

On July 16, 1863, the regiment saw its first action at James Island, South Carolina, performing admirably in a confrontation with experienced Confederate troops. Three days later, the 54th volunteered to lead the assault on Fort Wagner, a highly fortified outpost on Morris Island that was part of the Confederate defense of Charleston Harbor.

Struggling against a lethal barrage of cannon and rifle fire, the regiment fought their way to the top of the fort’s parapet over several hours. Sergeant William Harvey Carney was wounded there while planting the U.S. flag. The regiment’s white commander, Colonel Robert Gould Shaw, was killed, and his soldiers were overwhelmed by the fort’s defenders and had to fall back. Despite his wound, Carney refused to retreat until he removed the flag, and though successful, he was shot again in the process. Carney lost a lot of blood and nearly lost his life, but not once did he allow the flag to touch the ground. His heroics inspired other soldiers that day and were crucial to the North securing victory at Fort Wagner. Carney was promoted to the rank of sergeant for his actions.

The 54th lost 281 of its 600 men in its brave attempt to take Fort Wagner, which throughout the war never fell by force of arms. The 54th went on to perform honorably in expeditions in Georgia and Florida, most notably at the Battle of Olustee. Carney eventually recovered and was discharged with disability on June 30, 1864."
 
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BarnBuster

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"Between 26 May and 4 June 1940, in the course of what was known as Operation Dynamo, more than 300,000 British and French soldiers were evacuated by an armada made up of Royal Navy destroyers and warships, pleasure steamers and hundreds of those famous little ships manned by civilian sailors.

The evacuation was publicized as a miracle to boost public morale. The successful rescue, across seas that stayed unusually calm for nine days, was thereafter referred to as ‘the miracle of Dunkirk’. But as well as this, the terrifying prospect that the depleted British armed forces might have to fight the Germans on home soil caused the nation, galvanized under Winston Churchill, to devote itself entirely to war. It did so not only effectively but, perhaps surprisingly, with total confidence in eventual victory.

The ‘Dunkirk spirit’, reflecting a nation united and working against apparently impossible odds to thwart Hitler’s ambitions, was born."


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The Dunkirk Jack is the House Flag of the Association of Dunkirk Little Ships, under permission of the Admiralty, the College of Heralds and the City of Dunkirk. The jack consists of the Cross of St. George (the flag of Admiralty) defaced with the Arms of Dunkirk. This jack can be worn by Member Ships at any time when the owner is aboard. Member Ships are limited to civilian vessels that took part in the Dunkirk rescue operation between 27 May and 4 June 1940.

 

curious2garden

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"Between 26 May and 4 June 1940, in the course of what was known as Operation Dynamo, more than 300,000 British and French soldiers were evacuated by an armada made up of Royal Navy destroyers and warships, pleasure steamers and hundreds of those famous little ships manned by civilian sailors.

The evacuation was publicized as a miracle to boost public morale. The successful rescue, across seas that stayed unusually calm for nine days, was thereafter referred to as ‘the miracle of Dunkirk’. But as well as this, the terrifying prospect that the depleted British armed forces might have to fight the Germans on home soil caused the nation, galvanized under Winston Churchill, to devote itself entirely to war. It did so not only effectively but, perhaps surprisingly, with total confidence in eventual victory.

The ‘Dunkirk spirit’, reflecting a nation united and working against apparently impossible odds to thwart Hitler’s ambitions, was born."


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The Dunkirk Jack is the House Flag of the Association of Dunkirk Little Ships, under permission of the Admiralty, the College of Heralds and the City of Dunkirk. The jack consists of the Cross of St. George (the flag of Admiralty) defaced with the Arms of Dunkirk. This jack can be worn by Member Ships at any time when the owner is aboard. Member Ships are limited to civilian vessels that took part in the Dunkirk rescue operation between 27 May and 4 June 1940.

It was a good movie.
 

raratt

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FYI
Is there someone to call if a veteran is in crisis or at risk of suicide?
The Veterans Crisis Line is a toll-free, confidential resource that connects Veterans in crisis and their families and friends with qualified, caring VA responders.
Veterans and their loved ones can call or chat online to receive free, confidential support 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year, even if they are not registered with VA or enrolled in VA health care.
 

BarnBuster

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Today in Military History:

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By proclamation of General John A. Logan of the Grand Army of the Republic, the first major Memorial Day observance is held May 30, 1868 to honor those who died “in defense of their country during the late rebellion.” Known to some as “Decoration Day,” mourners honored the Civil War dead by decorating their graves with flowers. On the first Decoration Day, General James Garfield made a speech at Arlington National Cemetery, after which 5,000 participants helped to decorate the graves of the more than 20,000 Civil War soldiers buried in the cemetery.

The 1868 celebration was inspired by local observances that had taken place in various locations in the three years since the end of the Civil War. In fact, several cities claim to be the birthplace of Memorial Day, including Columbus, Mississippi; Macon, Georgia; Richmond, Virginia; Boalsburg, Pennsylvania; and Carbondale, Illinois. In 1966, the federal government, under the direction of President Lyndon B. Johnson, declared Waterloo, New York, the official birthplace of Memorial Day. They chose Waterloo—which had first celebrated the day on May 5, 1866—because the town had made Memorial Day an annual, community-wide event, during which businesses closed and residents decorated the graves of soldiers with flowers and flags.

By the late 19th century, many communities across the country had begun to celebrate Memorial Day, and after World War I, observers began to honor the dead of all of America’s wars. In 1971, Congress declared Memorial Day a national holiday to be celebrated the last Monday in May. Today, Memorial Day is celebrated at Arlington National Cemetery with a ceremony in which a small American flag is placed on each grave. It is customary for the president or vice president to give a speech honoring the contributions of the dead and to lay a wreath at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. More than 5,000 people attend the ceremony annually. Some Southern states set aside a special day for honoring the Confederate dead, which is usually called Confederate Memorial Day.
 
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