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doublejj

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SEC Has Limited Options to Regulate Elon Musk
Tesla CEO has resisted demand for restraint in his public comments

"The SEC has to be careful to not go too far and stifle an executive from sharing useful information with markets, said Donald Langevoort, who also teaches securities law at Georgetown. “I don’t think anyone—the judge, the SEC, or Tesla’s board—relishes the task of muzzling Elon Musk, and it seems that each of these wants someone else to deal with it,” he said.
Given their hesitancy to litigate, regulators have few options left. Senior SEC officials decided last year to stop writing to the company, convinced it wasn’t working and made the agency look powerless, according to a person familiar with the matter."
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Fogdog

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doublejj said:
SEC Has Limited Options to Regulate Elon Musk
Tesla CEO has resisted demand for restraint in his public comments

"The SEC has to be careful to not go too far and stifle an executive from sharing useful information with markets, said Donald Langevoort, who also teaches securities law at Georgetown. “I don’t think anyone—the judge, the SEC, or Tesla’s board—relishes the task of muzzling Elon Musk, and it seems that each of these wants someone else to deal with it,” he said.
Given their hesitancy to litigate, regulators have few options left. Senior SEC officials decided last year to stop writing to the company, convinced it wasn’t working and made the agency look powerless, according to a person familiar with the matter."
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Is this a good thing?

I mean, he's pretty whacky about a lot of things. The crap he pulled in Thailand a couple of years back and his stances regarding worker safety during the epidemic make me think there is something wrong with the guy. Also, he's pretty comfortable with the Chinese government.
 
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Fogdog said:
Is this a good thing?

I mean, he's pretty whacky about a lot of things. The crap he pulled in Thailand a couple of years back and his stances regarding worker safety during the epidemic make me think there is something wrong with the guy. Also, he's pretty comfortable with the Texas government.
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FTFY
The fact that he is setting up a factory in Texas was when i realized Elons true genius. Build electric cars in the middle of the biggest oil state....that's a total in your face f*ck you to the petroleum industry ....hahaha you gotta love Elon.
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doublejj said:
SEC Has Limited Options to Regulate Elon Musk
Tesla CEO has resisted demand for restraint in his public comments

"The SEC has to be careful to not go too far and stifle an executive from sharing useful information with markets, said Donald Langevoort, who also teaches securities law at Georgetown. “I don’t think anyone—the judge, the SEC, or Tesla’s board—relishes the task of muzzling Elon Musk, and it seems that each of these wants someone else to deal with it,” he said.
Given their hesitancy to litigate, regulators have few options left. Senior SEC officials decided last year to stop writing to the company, convinced it wasn’t working and made the agency look powerless, according to a person familiar with the matter."
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What a bullshit article.

Elon Musk was already removed from the board of directors of Tesla because of the tweeting crap he was doing before. He was almost removed from being the CEO as well.

The only reason he remained as CEO was the deal he made to stop trying to manipulate stock by tweeting bullshit and the 25 million dollar fine he paid.

The SEC can easily find that he has violated that deal and have Elon removed as CEO and banned from having any input into the company at all. Then he would be free to tweet anything he pleases.

doublejj said:
FTFY
The fact that he is setting up a factory in Texas was when i realized Elons genius. Build electric cars in the middle of the biggest oil state....that's a total in your face f*ck you to the petroleum industry ....hahaha you gotta love Elon.
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He's setting up there because it's a lot cheaper than California. That's the only consideration there is.

But with most of his China cars being exported now because he can't sell them in China anymore, it remains to be seen exactly what the Austin facility will be producing.
 
doublejj

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TacoMac said:
What a bullshit article.

Elon Musk was already removed from the board of directors of Tesla because of the tweeting crap he was doing before. He was almost removed from being the CEO as well.

The only reason he remained as CEO was the deal he made to stop trying to manipulate stock by tweeting bullshit and the 25 million dollar fine he paid.

The SEC can easily find that he has violated that deal and have Elon removed as CEO and banned from having any input into the company at all. Then he would be free to tweet anything he pleases.


He's setting up there because it's a lot cheaper than California. That's the only consideration there is.

But with most of his China cars being exported now because he can't sell them in China anymore, it remains to be seen exactly what the Austin facility will be producing.
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TacoMac

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Yes. The truck you've been talking about for 2 years that was supposed to be in production 6 months ago that at best won't be built for another two years.

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doublejj said:
Tesla Cybertruck Reservations Exceed 1 Million
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Tesla Cybertruck Reservations Exceed 1 Million

Tesla Cybertruck is one of the most popular electric vehicles ever announced and is still getting tons of reservations and attention all over the world.
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LMAO!!!

You really are a sad old man. You don't even have any idea how desperate Tesla is. Do you know how much a "reservation" for a Tesla Truck is?

It's only 100 dollars. That's it. They dropped the old 10% down reservations because nobody was doing them anymore after having to wait YEARS to get their vehicle.

And it's refundable, unlike before.

Many people, who believed his bullshit and thought they'd have their truck by now, have already been refunded.

 
Fogdog

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doublejj said:
FTFY
The fact that he is setting up a factory in Texas was when i realized Elons true genius. Build electric cars in the middle of the biggest oil state....that's a total in your face f*ck you to the petroleum industry ....hahaha you gotta love Elon.
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He's pretty cozy with the Chinese govt.

One can tell a lot from the company a person keeps.

www.cnn.com

Elon Musk is trying to win China back | CNN Business

Elon Musk's Tesla has endured a rough couple of months in China. Now he's working overtime to win Beijing back.
www.cnn.com www.cnn.com

The Tesla CEO lavished praise on China during an interview with state broadcaster China Central Television (CCTV), where he pledged that the country would become his electric carmaker's "biggest market" in the long run. He also lauded China's economic and climate goals — the country is currently the world's top greenhouse emitter, but has promised to drastically reduce the emissions over the next decade or so.

"I'm very confident about Tesla's future in China," Musk told CCTV during the interview, which the broadcaster published online late Tuesday. "The Chinese economy I think can do extremely well over the next decade and will become the biggest economy in the world. And it's also committed to a sustainable energy future."

The charm offensive may be pivotal to Tesla's future in China. While the company has enjoyed special treatment from Chinese authorities in the past few years, it has faced an onslaught of criticism in recent weeks.

I'm not all that negative on Tesla, just negative on Musk. Facebook should ban personal accounts of all CEOs and Board members. They are just going to hype their brand anyway.
 
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doublejj said:
FTFY
The fact that he is setting up a factory in Texas was when i realized Elons true genius. Build electric cars in the middle of the biggest oil state....that's a total in your face f*ck you to the petroleum industry ....hahaha you gotta love Elon.
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That's the genius on the surface, until you find that 70% of energy in Texas still comes from fossil fuels, all the plastics and carbon fiber use lots of oil, with carbon fiber not even being recyclable, then of course they still have tires and who knows how much oil is used in the transportation of cars and parts around the country/world, and the batteries have lithium, aluminum, nickel and cobalt, with the lithium coming from overseas and the cobalt come from child slave labor cancer pits in the congo(google "blood batteries"), with all of that mining using tons of fossils fuels. So, it's genius alright, if you're one of the Koch brothers. The genius is he's probably getting o&g kickbacks on top of the enviro kickbacks. Playing both sides is the brilliant part. Devilish, but brilliant.
 
doublejj

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mooray said:
That's the genius on the surface, until you find that 70% of energy in Texas still comes from fossil fuels, all the plastics and carbon fiber use lots of oil, with carbon fiber not even being recyclable, then of course they still have tires and who knows how much oil is used in the transportation of cars and parts around the country/world, and the batteries have lithium, aluminum, nickel and cobalt, with the lithium coming from overseas and the cobalt come from child slave labor cancer pits in the congo(google "blood batteries"), with all of that mining using tons of fossils fuels. So, it's genius alright, if you're one of the Koch brothers. The genius is he's probably getting o&g kickbacks on top of the enviro kickbacks. Playing both sides is the brilliant part. Devilish, but brilliant.
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we have fought wars over and killed many more in the name of Petroleum than we have mining for cobalt...this is a huge step foreword. We need to get off oil.
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doublejj

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Fogdog said:
He's pretty cozy with the Chinese govt.

One can tell a lot from the company a person keeps.

www.cnn.com

Elon Musk is trying to win China back | CNN Business

Elon Musk's Tesla has endured a rough couple of months in China. Now he's working overtime to win Beijing back.
www.cnn.com www.cnn.com

The Tesla CEO lavished praise on China during an interview with state broadcaster China Central Television (CCTV), where he pledged that the country would become his electric carmaker's "biggest market" in the long run. He also lauded China's economic and climate goals — the country is currently the world's top greenhouse emitter, but has promised to drastically reduce the emissions over the next decade or so.

"I'm very confident about Tesla's future in China," Musk told CCTV during the interview, which the broadcaster published online late Tuesday. "The Chinese economy I think can do extremely well over the next decade and will become the biggest economy in the world. And it's also committed to a sustainable energy future."

The charm offensive may be pivotal to Tesla's future in China. While the company has enjoyed special treatment from Chinese authorities in the past few years, it has faced an onslaught of criticism in recent weeks.

I'm not all that negative on Tesla, just negative on Musk. Facebook should ban personal accounts of all CEOs and Board members. They are just going to hype their brand anyway.
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This is the kind of company Tesla keeps
US corporations in China.....

American & International Corporations In China-

NOTATION- even though this is a very long list of American and other foreign corporations in China,
it is certainly not a complete listing. We have only included a few of the names you may recognize.

This is a list of companies who either own factories, or have contract factories producing their products
in China. Some of the companies produce 100% of their products there, and others only produce parts,
or certain ingredients for their products. The list below is approximately 1% of the actual Corporate list.

Companies such as Avon, GE, and AT&T for example, have been in China and manufacturing products
for 20 to 30 years. Most American consumers simply had no idea. Previously their source was Japan.
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AT&T
Abercrombe & Fitch
Abbott Laboratories
Acer Electronics
Ademco Security
Adidas
ADI Security
AGI- American Gem Institute
AIG Financial
Agrilink Foods, Inc. (ProFac)
Allergan Laboratories
American Eagle Outfitters
American Standard
American Tourister
Ames Tools
Amphenol Corporation
Amway Corporation
Analog Devices, Inc.
Apple Computer
Armani
Armour Meats
Ashland Chemical
Ashley Furniture
Associated Grocers
Audi Motors
AudioVox
AutoZone, Inc.
Avon

Banana Republic
Bausch & Lomb, Inc.
Baxter International
Bed, Bath & Beyond
Belkin Electronics
Best Buy
Best Foods
Big 5 Sporting Goods
Black & Decker
Body Shop
Borden Foods
Briggs & Stratton

Calrad Electric
Campbell 's Soup
Canon Electronics
Carole Cable
Casio Instrument
Caterpillar, Inc.
CBC America
CCTV Outlet
Checker Auto
CitiCorp
Cisco Systems
Chiquita Brands International
Claire's Boutique
Cobra Electronics
Coby Electronics
Coca Cola Foods
Colgate-Palmolive
Colorado Spectrum
ConAgra Foods
Cooper Tire
Corning, Inc.
Coleman Sporting Goods
Compaq
Crabtree & Evelyn
Cracker Barrel Stores
Craftsman Tools (see Sears)
Cummins, Inc.

Dannon Foods
Dell Computer
Del Monte Foods
Dewalt Tools
DHL
Dial Corporation
Diebold, Inc.
Dillard's, Inc.
Dodge-Phelps
Dole Foods
Dollar Tree Stores, Inc.
Dow-Corning

Eastman Kodak
EchoStar
Eclipse CCTV
Edge Electronics Group
Electric Vehicles USA, Inc.
Eli Lilly Company
Emerson Electric
Enfamil
Estee Lauder
Eveready

Family Dollar Stores
FedEx
Fisher Scientific
Ford Motors
Fossil
Frito Lay
Furniture Brands International

GAP Stores
Gateway Computer
GE, General Electric
General Foods International
General Mills
General Motors
Gentek
Gerber Foods
Gillette Company
Goodrich Company
Goodyear Tire
Google
Gucci
Guess?

Haagen-Dazs
Harley Davidson
Hasbro Company
Heinz Foods
Hershey Foods
Hitachi
Hoffman-LaRoche
Holt's Automotive Products
Hormel Foods
Home Depot
Honda Motor
Hoover Vacuum
HP Computer
Honda
Honeywell
Hubbell Inc.
Huggies
Hunts-Wesson Foods

ICON Office Solutions
IBM
Ikea
Intel Corporation

J.C. Penny's
J.M. Smucker Company
John Deere
Johnson Control
Johnson & Johnson
Johnstone Supply
JVC Electronics

KB Home
Keebler Foods
Kenwood Audio
KFC, Kentucky Fried Chicken
Kimberly Clark
Knorr Foods
K-Mart
Kohler
Kohl's Corporation
Kraft Foods
Kragen Auto

Land's End
Lee Kum Kee Foods
Lexmark
LG Electronics
Lipton Foods
L.L. Bean, Inc.
Logitech
Libby's Foods
Linen & Things
Lipo Chemicals, Inc.
Lowe's Hardware
Lucent Technologies
Lufkin

Mars Candy
Martha Stewart Products
Mattel
McCormick Foods
McDonald's
McKesson Corporation
Megellan GPS
Memorex
Merck & Company
Michael's Stores
Mitsubishi Electronics
Mitsubishi Motors
Mobile Oil
Molex
Motorola
Motts Applesauce
Multifoods Corporation

Nabisco Foods
National Semiconductor
Nescafe
Nestles Foods
Nextar
Nike
Nikon
Nivea Cosmetics
Nokia Electronics
Northrop Grumman Corporation
NuSkin International
Nutrilite (see Amway)
Nvidia Corporation (G-Force)

Office Depot
Olin Corporation
Old Navy
Olympus Electronics
Orion-Knight Electronics

Pacific Sunwear, Inc.
Pamper's
Panasonic
Pan Pacific Electronics
Panvise
Papa Johns
Payless Shoesource
Pelco
Pentax Optics
Pep Boy's
Pepsico International
PetsMart
Petco
Pfizer, Inc.
Philips Electronics
Phillip Morris Companies
Pier 1 Imports
Pierre Cardin
Pillsbury Company
Pioneer Electronics
Pitney Bowes, Inc.
Pizza Hut
Plantronics
PlaySchool Toys
Polaris Industries
Polaroid
Polo (see Ralph Loren)
Post Cereals
Price-Pfister
Pringles
Praxair
Proctor & Gamble
PSS World Medical
Pyle Audio

Qualcomm
Quest One

Radio Shack
Ralph Loren
RCA
Reebok International
Reynolds Aluminum
Revlon
Rohm & Hass Company

Samsonite
Samsung
Sanyo
Shell Oil
Schwinn Bike
Sears-Craftsman
Seven-Eleven (7-11)
Sharp Electronics
Sherwin-Williams
Shure Electronics
Sony
Speco Technologies/Pro Video
Shopko Stores
Skechers Footwear
SmartHome
Smucker's (see J.M. Smucker's)
Solar Power, Inc.
Spencer Gifts
Stanley Tools
Staple's
Starbucks Corporation
Steelcase, Inc.
STP Oil
Sunkist Growers
SunMaid Raisins
Sunglass Hut
Sunkist
Subway Sandwiches
Switchcraft Electronics
SYSCO Foods
Sylvania Electric

3-M
Tai Pan Trading Company
Tamron Optics
Target
TDK
Tektronix, Inc
Texas Instruments
Timex
Timken Bearing
TNT
Tommy Hilfiger
Toro
Toshiba
Tower Automotive
Toyota
Toy's R Us, Inc.
Trader Joe's
Tripp-lite
True Value Hardware
Tupper Ware
Tyson Foods

Uniden Electronics
UPS

Valspar Corporation
Victoria 's Secret
Vizio Electronics
Volkswagen
VTech

Walgreen Company
Walt Disney Company
Walmart
WD-40 Corporation
Weller Electric Company
Western Digital
Westinghouse Electric
Weyerhaeuser Company
Whirlpool Corporation
Wilson Sporting Goods
Wrigley
WW Grainger, Inc.
Wyeth Laboratories

X-10
Xelite
Xerox

Yahoo
Yamaha
Yoplait Foods
Yum Brands

Zale Corporation
 
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mooray

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doublejj said:
we have fought wars over and killed many more in the name of Petroleum than we have mining for cobalt...this is a huge step foreword. We need to get off oil.
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I totally agree we need to get off oil, except that when everyone wants cobalt, then there's no difference and the cancerous environment destroying medium is arbitrary. Instead of doing the same old horrible thing(oil), we reduce that a little bit(tesla) and do just a little bit of a new horrible thing(cobalt/lithium). The only truly "good" thing a person does by buying a tesla is to help keep the development alive, but still you'd be better off buying an Aptera to get solar panels in the mix, plus of course the ridiculous efficiency that makes a tesla look like a hummer.
 
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mooray said:
I totally agree we need to get off oil, except that when everyone wants cobalt, then there's no difference and the cancerous environment destroying medium is arbitrary. Instead of doing the same old horrible thing(oil), we reduce that a little bit(tesla) and do just a little bit of a new horrible thing(cobalt/lithium). The only truly "good" thing a person does by buying a tesla is to help keep the development alive, but still you'd be better off buying an Aptera to get solar panels in the mix, plus of course the ridiculous efficiency that makes a tesla look like a hummer.
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I can't get the total carbon per unit or means to agree with your claim. I agree with another capitalist cash cow and further devastation and wars to force non USA countries holding the resources concede them. And all mute when considering who can actually afford the sticker price.
 
doublejj

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mooray said:
I totally agree we need to get off oil, except that when everyone wants cobalt, then there's no difference and the cancerous environment destroying medium is arbitrary. Instead of doing the same old horrible thing(oil), we reduce that a little bit(tesla) and do just a little bit of a new horrible thing(cobalt/lithium). The only truly "good" thing a person does by buying a tesla is to help keep the development alive, but still you'd be better off buying an Aptera to get solar panels in the mix, plus of course the ridiculous efficiency that makes a tesla look like a hummer.
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all new homes in Cali must have solar roofs....soon all homes will charge teslas....EV's are a no brainer
 
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