Fogdog
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Welcome.
Canada’s shameful history of marginalization exposed again.
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Severed Tongue
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Fogdog
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Contrast Printer with Stinky Tongue -- one can learn and move on, the other cannot.
The thing is, we never "win" an argument. That is not even the point of argument.
The upside of losing an argument and/or being wrong
In a brilliant moment in the talk, she asks: what does it feel like to be wrong? While first instinct might tell us that it feels terrible, she points that’s actually only what happens when we realize that we are wrong. Until that moment, being wrong feels exactly like being right. So often, clues pop up that could reveal to us our error — and yet, we often put up blinders to them. This is fine when it comes to a misunderstood song lyric. But it can be disastrous when it comes to bigger convictions that affect the health and well-being of others — or our planet.
But beyond that, explains Schulz, the need to be right simply keeps us from growing.
“What’s most baffling and most tragic about this is that it misses the whole point of being human,” she says. “If you really want to rediscover wonder, you need to step outside of that tiny, terrified space of rightness and look around at each other and the vastness and complexity of the universe and be able to say, ‘Wow, I don’t know. Maybe I’m wrong.’”
The thing is, we never "win" an argument. That is not even the point of argument.
The upside of losing an argument and/or being wrong
The upside of losing an argument and/or being wrong | TED Blog
Why do we need to be right, and get in the last word no matter what? Two fascinating TED Talks give permission to be wrong.
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In a brilliant moment in the talk, she asks: what does it feel like to be wrong? While first instinct might tell us that it feels terrible, she points that’s actually only what happens when we realize that we are wrong. Until that moment, being wrong feels exactly like being right. So often, clues pop up that could reveal to us our error — and yet, we often put up blinders to them. This is fine when it comes to a misunderstood song lyric. But it can be disastrous when it comes to bigger convictions that affect the health and well-being of others — or our planet.
But beyond that, explains Schulz, the need to be right simply keeps us from growing.
“What’s most baffling and most tragic about this is that it misses the whole point of being human,” she says. “If you really want to rediscover wonder, you need to step outside of that tiny, terrified space of rightness and look around at each other and the vastness and complexity of the universe and be able to say, ‘Wow, I don’t know. Maybe I’m wrong.’”
CunningCanuk
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Severed Tongue
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Yes, this is perfect advice for yourself.
Problem with whatever you're trying to insinuate, I never said anything about being right or wrong.
I stated my view on this.
Take it or leave it, you are not worthy to judge it.
You guys preach, but none of you do as you preach, and as soon as one is not agreeable, out comes the hostility.
It's hilarious.
I've wasted enough of my day here lol.
CunningCanuk
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Fogdog
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Winning. Some people will never learn because they don't listen.
Try sounding out the words in that article. I know it's hard for you to learn but if you try really hard and scrunch up you eyes, you can at least pretend you are trying.
lulz
printer
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Well I missed ST's posts, not going back to see what I missed. Finished reading the article in the paper. I can understand kids dying, stuff happens, even if it is due to your neglect. But the church, at least in Europe, was the recorder of deaths, births, baptisms, wedding. It was their duty to the community to do this. I think at a minimum the kids remains should have been returned to their parents. But my opinion does not count for much. Short of that, each grave should have been marked and recorded who was in it and when. That is a common decency that should have taken place. Maybe they did have the graves marked and recorded? And they were forgotten by future administrator. No, forget that. they should not have been forgotten. The churches know how to keep records, they have been doing it for a very long time.
I will leave it at that.
I will leave it at that.
printer
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Sorry, still got me going. I had to know more of why. I came across this.
"Peter Hendersen Bryce became the first Chief Medical Officer of the Department of the Interior in 1904. This was 20 years after Sir John A. MacDonald made First Nations children official wards of the state with an 1884 amendment to the Indian Act that mandated residential and day school attendance as compulsory for Indian children who had attained the age of seven years. Bryce was therefore responsible for the health of Indigenous children in the schools.
Dr. Peter Henderson Bryce (1899).
Image courtesy of Courtesy of the Bryce family. With the permission of First Nations Child & Family Caring Society of Canada
Upon taking the job, Bryce began (in his words) the “systematic collection of health statistics of the several hundred Indian bands scattered over Canada.”1 In 1907, Bryce released a report drawing attention to the fact that, according to his surveys, roughly one-quarter of all Indigenous children attending residential schools had died from tuberculosis: “of a total of 1537 pupils reported upon nearly 25 per cent are dead, of one school with an absolutely accurate statement, 69 per cent of ex-pupils are dead, and that everywhere the almost invariable cause of death given is tuberculosis.”2,3
Bryce’s report named poor ventilation and poor standards of care from school officials as the primary cause of deaths as opposed to the racial susceptibility hypothesis rather popular at the time. Put simply, Bryce “exposed the genocidal practices of government-sanctioned residential schools, where healthy Indigenous children were purposefully exposed to children infected with TB, spreading the disease through the school population.”4,5 Importantly, it was not only the Canadian government but the broader population that learned of Bryce’s report; for example, on Nov. 15, 1907, The Evening Citizen (an earlier edition of the The Ottawa Citizen) ran a front-page story with the headline “Schools Aid White Plague — Startling Death Rolls Revealed Among Indians — Absolute Inattention to the Bare Necessities of Health.”6
As Mary-Ellen Kelm explained, Bryce then “called for a major overhaul in the system of residential schooling, demanding that each student be considered a potential tuberculosis case and be treated accordingly.”7 Importantly, Bryce noted that the health care funding granted to citizens in Ottawa alone was about three times higher than that allocated to First Nations people in all of Canada.8 However, when Duncan Campbell Scott became Deputy Superintendent General of Indian Affairs in 1913, he informed Bryce that his annual medical reports on tuberculosis in residential schools were no longer necessary given that the information was costly to produce and the department had no intention of acting upon it.9 Bryce’s funding for research was thereafter cut and his presentations at academic conferences heavily interfered with by Scott.10 Not the type to be silenced, Bryce arranged for a publisher (James Hope and Sons Limited) to print a short pamphlet that was sold for 35 cents a copy. It was titled The Story of a National Crime and it detailed the struggles of a medical officer hamstrung by a draconian Duncan Campbell Scott. In the pamphlet, Bryce included passages from departmental letters he had written during his tenure as the Chief Medical Officer. One particularly damning example was as follows:
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"Peter Hendersen Bryce became the first Chief Medical Officer of the Department of the Interior in 1904. This was 20 years after Sir John A. MacDonald made First Nations children official wards of the state with an 1884 amendment to the Indian Act that mandated residential and day school attendance as compulsory for Indian children who had attained the age of seven years. Bryce was therefore responsible for the health of Indigenous children in the schools.
Dr. Peter Henderson Bryce (1899).
Image courtesy of Courtesy of the Bryce family. With the permission of First Nations Child & Family Caring Society of Canada
Upon taking the job, Bryce began (in his words) the “systematic collection of health statistics of the several hundred Indian bands scattered over Canada.”1 In 1907, Bryce released a report drawing attention to the fact that, according to his surveys, roughly one-quarter of all Indigenous children attending residential schools had died from tuberculosis: “of a total of 1537 pupils reported upon nearly 25 per cent are dead, of one school with an absolutely accurate statement, 69 per cent of ex-pupils are dead, and that everywhere the almost invariable cause of death given is tuberculosis.”2,3
Bryce’s report named poor ventilation and poor standards of care from school officials as the primary cause of deaths as opposed to the racial susceptibility hypothesis rather popular at the time. Put simply, Bryce “exposed the genocidal practices of government-sanctioned residential schools, where healthy Indigenous children were purposefully exposed to children infected with TB, spreading the disease through the school population.”4,5 Importantly, it was not only the Canadian government but the broader population that learned of Bryce’s report; for example, on Nov. 15, 1907, The Evening Citizen (an earlier edition of the The Ottawa Citizen) ran a front-page story with the headline “Schools Aid White Plague — Startling Death Rolls Revealed Among Indians — Absolute Inattention to the Bare Necessities of Health.”6
As Mary-Ellen Kelm explained, Bryce then “called for a major overhaul in the system of residential schooling, demanding that each student be considered a potential tuberculosis case and be treated accordingly.”7 Importantly, Bryce noted that the health care funding granted to citizens in Ottawa alone was about three times higher than that allocated to First Nations people in all of Canada.8 However, when Duncan Campbell Scott became Deputy Superintendent General of Indian Affairs in 1913, he informed Bryce that his annual medical reports on tuberculosis in residential schools were no longer necessary given that the information was costly to produce and the department had no intention of acting upon it.9 Bryce’s funding for research was thereafter cut and his presentations at academic conferences heavily interfered with by Scott.10 Not the type to be silenced, Bryce arranged for a publisher (James Hope and Sons Limited) to print a short pamphlet that was sold for 35 cents a copy. It was titled The Story of a National Crime and it detailed the struggles of a medical officer hamstrung by a draconian Duncan Campbell Scott. In the pamphlet, Bryce included passages from departmental letters he had written during his tenure as the Chief Medical Officer. One particularly damning example was as follows:
Thus, although Bryce’s words do betray a slight self-interest, he lamented the indifference of Canadians to the medical wellness of First Nations children and underscored the extent to which the mass apprehension of Indigenous children was not merely a cultural but a biological genocide. He also risked his professional career to do so.
Dr. Peter Bryce (1853–1932): whistleblower on residential schools
In September of 2019, the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal (CHRT) reached a landmark decision when it found that 40 000 to 80 000 First Nations children were deprived of public services and wrongfully removed from their families between 2006 and 2017. Accordingly, the CHRT found that the federal
CunningCanuk
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Missing residential school records: Vatican won't release documents, feds destroyed files
Survivors say more accountability needs to be taken by the Catholic Church and the Canadian government for suppressing records of the children that attended residential schools.
Missing residential school records: Vatican won't release documents, feds destroyed files — CTV News
Survivors say more accountability needs to be taken by the Catholic Church and the Canadian government for suppressing records of the children that attended residential schools.
Rob Roy
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The question you should be asking is, "why can't people who live there get together and address the drinking water situation" ?
Waiting for Trudeau, the racist black faced schmuck to get me water isn't something I'd do. How about you ?
Also, under Trudeau and the "new normal" you'll do more than hear crickets chirping, it's what you'll be eating. Yum, crickets!
DIY-HP-LED
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That's because you know shit about the situation or where these people live. Those up north are living on ancestral lands, they were never relocated, the land and climate were no good for farming in the 19th century. Those first nations in the southern part of the country were moved off their ancestral lands and onto reserves, but conditions are generally better than up north where there are no or few roads and everything is flown in. We never had the large scale native genocide like in America and the numbers of native Canadians has increased over the decades.
One of the reasons for the American revolution was the crown's desire to honor treaties with native Americans and the white American colonists greed for their land and desire for westward expansion. Not that things were perfect in the British colonies, but things went better for the natives here than in America.
Rob Roy
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I have no obligation to defend white Europeans for the bad things they did to people in Canada many years ago. Nice try though, Captain Obvious strawman.
If you didn't have decent drinking water, would you sit around and cry for Trudeau (the racist globalist douche bag) to get you some ? Doesn't that further the unequal relationship and continue to hold people in a subservient position ?
Maybe I'd go get me some water from pretty boy Trudeau's pool, then capture the fucker, put him a cage with Bill Gates and feed them both some lab meat and crickets as some self gotten reparations!
DIY-HP-LED
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I guess you are in favor of reparations for African Americans then.
DIY-HP-LED
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Shit the government sent in planes to bomb the people in Tulsa Oklahoma, so I guess they are entitled to restitution? All those states who engaged in system racial repression should be paying restitution too I guess?
Maybe Uncle Sam should start looking for mass graves of native children too? Here's another case for reparations.
American Indian boarding schools - Wikipedia
Native American boarding schools, also known as Indian Residential Schools, were established in the United States during the early 19th and mid 20th centuries with a primary objective of "civilizing" or assimilating Native American children and youth into Euro-American culture, while destroying and vilifying Native American culture.
This looks like a good place for tuberculosis to spread, note the absence of smiles, they don't look like happy children.
Pupils at Carlisle Indian Industrial School, Pennsylvania, c. 1900
Maybe Uncle Sam should start looking for mass graves of native children too? Here's another case for reparations.
American Indian boarding schools - Wikipedia
Native American boarding schools, also known as Indian Residential Schools, were established in the United States during the early 19th and mid 20th centuries with a primary objective of "civilizing" or assimilating Native American children and youth into Euro-American culture, while destroying and vilifying Native American culture.
This looks like a good place for tuberculosis to spread, note the absence of smiles, they don't look like happy children.
Pupils at Carlisle Indian Industrial School, Pennsylvania, c. 1900
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if we don't learn from history we are doomed to repeat; i feel very betrayed by my country and/or state that they didn't include 1619 and Tulsa Race Riots in our history books.Missing residential school records: Vatican won't release documents, feds destroyed files
Survivors say more accountability needs to be taken by the Catholic Church and the Canadian government for suppressing records of the children that attended residential schools.
Missing residential school records: Vatican won't release documents, feds destroyed files — CTV News
Survivors say more accountability needs to be taken by the Catholic Church and the Canadian government for suppressing records of the children that attended residential schools.apple.news
Budley Doright
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Even when we do learn it’s seems way easier to forget/lie about it or blame others.
that's because people have selective memory; remember what they wish to.
hence the wall.
sometimes fiction is reality look at The Simpsons..how en pointe were they/are?
Blade Runner 2049. It was just found out that a child had been born to a Replicant. What Madam says to K.
black people in Africa have slaves to this day- why?
this world barely makes sense any longer but seems as if it's always been this way- warring peoples..black on black..white on white..russian on all..romans on all.
yeah small pox was done; make sure you pack them in close together ahhhhhhh it was only 1900..The Plague was still 18 years away.