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We should have started a thread on this shit show.

Arizona Election Audit demanded by Donald Trump is hit by sex pest scandal: Multiple women claim male worker made unwanted sexual advances and raged angrily at women who had authority over him

• Several women who worked the Republican-backed Arizona election audit say they were victims of sexual harassments
• They said a man made unwanted sexual advances and crude remarks and 'had seemingly random outbursts'
• '(The person) has made several unwarranted and unwanted comments about my appearance,' wrote one woman. 'He commented, "You showing off your butt?"
• The allegations were denied by the auditor who claimed they were never told about sexual harassment complaints
• The audit was conducted because of Donald Trump's claims that he lost Arizona by about 10,000 votes because of voter fraud

Another woman told the Arizona TV news station, 'Any time he would come across someone he considered attractive or a woman, he would harass them, things like trying to demand dates, things like making sexual comments.'

She said the comments turned into unwanted touching and other physical advances but didn't go into detail about how far the physical contact went.

But the alleged sexual harassment made the job difficult for some women.

The allegations reportedly involved more than one person, but the lion's share of the complaints centered on one man in particular, Arizona's Family Investigates said.

The women said they wrote letters and brought their complaints to upper management, which they said did nothing.

'We personally agree among ourselves that his disruptions are no longer tolerable,' wrote another employee. 'When I didn’t return a compliment or react to his flirting, he would insult me.'

Senate President Karen Fann, the Republican lawmaker who is ultimately in charge of the audit, responded to Arizona's Family Investigates report with a response from the audit’s lead vendor, whose name was not given.

'I have never received any written complaints of any type of sexual harassment, nor has a complaint like this been brought to my attention,' the statement said. he closest thing I can think of is I am aware of a single table manager who was cussing a lot, and had apparently told an inappropriate joke. We fired him immediately.'

Women claim they were sexually harassed during Arizona election audit

Multiple women claimed a man who worked in the Republican-backed Arizona election audit made unwanted sexual advances and crude remarks.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[FredH]

How about a legitimate link?

 

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The Arizona Republic confirms court filing, demanding election audit records and the public’s right to know

State Senate officials have refuted the public’s right to know, and the news organization wants all relevant documents brought to light.

The Arizona Republic has filed an action with the Maricopa Superior Court, seeking disclosure of all records — including internal communications and emails — from members of the partisan Arizona state Senate conducting the 2020 election audit along with the taxpayer-funded lead contractor, Cyber Ninjas.

The state’s oldest news organization, first established more than 130 years ago, has repeatedly sought records from the partisan Senate election audit through public records requests that have repeatedly been denied.
On Wednesday, the Republic filed a special action in Superior Court. Now, the news organization is trying to access all financial and communication records surrounding the audit, from both the Senate and the private contractor the body hired to do the work.

The documents, according to the Arizona Republic, are public records and of great public interest “because the audit is being conducted under the direction of the Senate, a public body, and the Senate is required to make available records that are in the custody or control of Cyber Ninjas.”

“All of the financial records, how the audit is being conducted, how much is being paid to Cyber Ninjas, even the communication exchanges between these partisan officials of what— specifically—is not publicly known,” a former state official told Northeast Valley News Saturday on the condition of anonymity. “The Republican Senate audit debacle is made up of members who refuse to accept the election results, even though our state’s election has been verified as valid months ago.

The Arizona Republic confirms court filing, demanding election audit records and the public’s right to know - Northeast Valley News

The Arizona Republic has filed an action with the Maricopa Superior Court, seeking disclosure of all records — including internal communications and emails — from members of the partisan Arizona state Senate conducting the 2020 election audit along with the taxpayer-funded lead contractor, Cyber...

nevalleynews.org

 

[FredH]

The Arizona Republic confirms court filing, demanding election audit records and the public’s right to know

State Senate officials have refuted the public’s right to know, and the news organization wants all relevant documents brought to light.

The Arizona Republic has filed an action with the Maricopa Superior Court, seeking disclosure of all records — including internal communications and emails — from members of the partisan Arizona state Senate conducting the 2020 election audit along with the taxpayer-funded lead contractor, Cyber Ninjas.

The state’s oldest news organization, first established more than 130 years ago, has repeatedly sought records from the partisan Senate election audit through public records requests that have repeatedly been denied.
On Wednesday, the Republic filed a special action in Superior Court. Now, the news organization is trying to access all financial and communication records surrounding the audit, from both the Senate and the private contractor the body hired to do the work.

The documents, according to the Arizona Republic, are public records and of great public interest “because the audit is being conducted under the direction of the Senate, a public body, and the Senate is required to make available records that are in the custody or control of Cyber Ninjas.”

“All of the financial records, how the audit is being conducted, how much is being paid to Cyber Ninjas, even the communication exchanges between these partisan officials of what— specifically—is not publicly known,” a former state official told Northeast Valley News Saturday on the condition of anonymity. “The Republican Senate audit debacle is made up of members who refuse to accept the election results, even though our state’s election has been verified as valid months ago.

The Arizona Republic confirms court filing, demanding election audit records and the public’s right to know - Northeast Valley News

The Arizona Republic has filed an action with the Maricopa Superior Court, seeking disclosure of all records — including internal communications and emails — from members of the partisan Arizona state Senate conducting the 2020 election audit along with the taxpayer-funded lead contractor, Cyber...

nevalleynews.org

Funny crap right there, the audit results belong to the AZ senate, the public's right to know begins and ends in the senate.

 

[captainmorgan]

Have they found chopstick splinters or soy sauce on the ballots yet?

 

[captainmorgan]

They should look for Panda hair too.

 

[waktoo]

How about a legitimate link?

Cognitive dissonance demonstrated...

 

[captainmorgan]

Maybe China sent the fake ballots to Panda Express restaurants across the country then smuggled them out to ballot drop boxes as takeout orders.

 

[xtsho]

That Arizona circus is a joke. A bunch of pro-trump morons hiding behind closed doors with no oversight. How long is this crap going to go on?

These trumpers support an obviously flawed partisan process in Arizona yet are against a bipartisan investigation into the attack on the Capitol.

 

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The danger is they took scanned images of the ballots. And with simple cut and pastes they can change enough ballots to show Trump won. They are going to use the ballot images to verify the count for Trump.

A New Worry: Forged Evidence?

In short, the inquiries led by Cyber Ninjas have not attempted to assess the administration of the election in Arizona's most populous county. But in a possibly troubling new development, the pro-Trump activists who are funding and leading the Arizona Senate's review have been dropping hints that they may be tweaking the evidence that they collected to boost their false claim that Trump won.

...the inquiry, which used high-definition digital cameras to photograph every ballot, could set the stage for the cutting-and-pasting of votes—replacing images of votes with marked ovals for Joe Biden with votes for Trump—and then inserting the altered images into their underlying data used to tally results.

However, that scenario could be used by Cyber Ninjas to forge digital ballot images with Trump votes—in their secretive post-scanning process—and then pad Cyber Ninjas' privately compiled vote count, Lutz said.

"What is even more concerning is that this scenario looks like a scheme that could be employed by the Cyber Ninjas to insert ballots into the system," he continued. "This is one more reason we [Citizens' Oversight] must perform a ballot image audit using the [county's] original [ballot] images to thwart this possibility."

Lutz's letter was not the first indication that Cyber Ninjas is preparing an analysis and vote count of ballot images that it recorded—which is not the same data as the ballot images produced by Maricopa County's voting system. John Brakey, an Arizona-based election transparency activist who has been an adviser to Ken Bennett, the state Senate's liaison to the 2020 review, said that Logan did not want to hire Lutz's firm for an independent ballot image audit, and bragged he could use artificial intelligence to parse the images that they had created.

After the movie's premiere, a post-showing panel discussion with people featured in the film revealed that Cyber Ninjas and one of their partners had been using other software to analyze the Cyber Ninjas team-created ballot images.

"We scan the ballot," said Bob Hughes, who said that he worked for 16 years for the firm that printed Maricopa County's ballots before retiring and helping Cyber Ninjas. "We then used, and we're doing right now, optical character recognition. We're looking at what's in place on that ballot, based on who that ballot [style] is [for; its local contests vary with the voter's address]. How many [ballots] should there be? Can there be this many?"

"When the details come out, I can't say much. I know Karen Fann is going to release a lot of this on Monday [June 28]," he continued, to cheers (she didn't). "What I can tell you is you now will have the most authentic count of every legal authentic ballot you could possibly have."

'They didn't know what they were doing': The Arizona election results fight reaches a dramatic turning point

Two competing efforts to assess the accuracy of Arizona's 2020 presidential election results have reached dramatic turning points as July began. An effort led by Republican state senators and pro-Trump activists has erupted in a new wave of false claims about the presidential election results...

www.alternet.org

Inside the GOP/Cyber Ninja's Maricopa County, Arizona Audit/Recount: 'BradCast' 4/28/2021
"I have to say, it looked like more of a big show than anything else when I first saw it," he says, referring to the color-coded tables and t-shirts being worn by workers, before explaining some of the efficiencies that have been implemented since the counting began. "Now, I have to say that a lot of what I see there is appropriate and pretty good in terms of their fencing off the ballots and how they keep them under control." Still, he is worried about what happens to the tally sheets being created at each individual table, because those are not being shared publicly and are being handed to someone who enters the numbers into a computer -- correctly or otherwise. "What we normally want to have -- and Citizens Oversight has watched many, many of these audits -- we want those sheets to be scanned immediately and published so they can't be altered, because those tally sheets now become just like ballots, but even more so, because they're the accumulation of all the ballot tallying."

He's also critical of the particular hand-count process being used which, he believes, may have an error rate of 1 to 2%, in order to somehow confirm the accurate tabulation of an election that was decided by less than one half of one percent.

Inside the GOP/Cyber Ninja's Maricopa County, Arizona Audit/Recount: 'BradCast' 4/28/2021

Guests: John Brakey of AUDIT USA and Ray Lutz of Citizens Oversight from inside the 'secret' rightwing tally and forensic probe of 2.1M ballots from 2020, why there's so little transparency, and why it all matters... Okay. Buckle up for today's...

www.dailykos.com

 

[UncleBuck]

Funny crap right there, the audit results belong to the AZ senate, the public's right to know begins and ends in the senate.

Lol, biden wins again

 

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Pennsylvania State Sen. Mastriano Initiates Forensic Election Audit
A Pennsylvania state senator who chairs the state's Intergovernmental Operations Committee has initiated a forensic audit of the 2020 president election and the 2021 May primary.

Sen. Doug Mastriano, R-Franklin, a supporter of former President Donald Trump, issued a comprehensive statement on his issuing letters to several counties requesting information and materials needed to conduct a forensic investigation of the state's election system.

"A forensic investigation of our election results and processes for the 2020 general election and the 2021 primary will go a long way to restore trust in our system," Mastriano wrote in a statement posted on his website. "Voting is the fundamental right of all citizens. We should continually look for ways to improve the voting process to ensure every voice is heard."

Mastriano gave both Republican and Democrat-held counties until July 31 to comply with the request for documentation.

"The counties represent different geographical regions of Pennsylvania and differing political makeups," he wrote. "Some are Republican while others are Democrat, which means that this will be a balanced investigation."

"It would defy logic to assume that an election with the kinds of drastic changes we saw in 2020 was run perfectly with zero errors or fraud," Mastriano wrote.

"Gov. Tom Wolf and the Secretary of State refused to conduct any type of thorough investigation despite the concerns of millions of our citizens in the aftermath of the election and hundreds of affidavits alleging firsthand fraud, irregularities, and illegal behavior witnessed at polling places."

Pennsylvania State Sen. Mastriano Initiates Forensic Election Audit

A Pennsylvania state senator who chairs the state's Intergovernmental Operations Committee has initiated a forensic audit of the 2020 president election and the 2021 May primary....

www.newsmax.com

 

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Arizona secretary of state seeks investigation into Trump, allies
Arizona Secretary of State Katie Hobbs (D) is calling on state Attorney General Mark Brnovich (R) to look into reports that former President Trump and his allies attempted to make contact with election supervisors in Maricopa County in the weeks following the November election.

Hobbs, in a request sent via email Wednesday and shared on Twitter, cited reporting by the Arizona Republic, which detailed attempts by the former president to contact Republican Maricopa Supervisor Clint Hickman on two separate occasions following the election.

According to the Republic, attempts to contact election supervisors were also made by Trump allies, including Arizona GOP Chair Kelli Ward, Trump personal attorney Rudy Giuliani and lawyer Sidney Powell.

Hobbs in her letter recalled a report that Ward told the chairman of the Board of Supervisors on Nov. 7 as votes were still being tallied, “We need you to stop the counting,” and later reportedly told him, “I know you don't want to be remembered as the guy who led the charge to certify a fraudulent election.”

The Arizona secretary of state urged Brnovich to “investigate and take appropriate enforcement action” against what she called “potential violations of Arizona’s election laws.”

She added that a person can be charged with a felony for “knowingly” interfering “in any manner with an officer of such election in the discharge of the officer’s duty,” or influencing an election officer “to violate or refuse to comply with the officer’s duty or any law regulating the election.”

Arizona secretary of state seeks investigation into Trump, allies

Arizona Secretary of State Katie Hobbs (D) is calling on state Attorney General Mark Brnovich (R) to look into reports that former President Trump and his allies attempted to make contact with…

thehill.com

 

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Trump Gives an I-Told-You-So on Fox News' Early Arizona Call
As the Arizona Senate holds its hearing on the forensic Maricopa County election audit, former President Donald Trump reissued his rebuke of Fox News' early call on the state in the 2020 presidential election to Joe Biden.

Trump trumpeted outcome determinative numbers of suspect votes being uncovered by the audit, which were discussed at Thursday's Senate hearing, but the official forensic audit report will be released "at a later date," barring what Republicans say is obstruction by Maricopa County officials.

"The irregularities revealed at the hearing today amount to hundreds of thousands of votes or, many times what is necessary for us to have won," Trump wrote in a statement from his Save America PAC. "Despite these massive numbers, this is the state that Fox News called early for a Biden victory.

"There was no victory here, or in any other of the swing states either.

"Arizona Senate hearings on the Maricopa County Election Audit is devastating news to the Radical Left Democrats and the Biden administration," Trump's statement began. "While this, according to the Senate, is preliminary, with results being announced at a later date, it seems that 74,243 mail-in ballots were counted with 'no clear record of them being sent.'

"There were 18,000 voters who were scrubbed from the voter rolls AFTER the election. They also revealed that the voting system was breached or hacked (by who?). Very big printer and ballot problems with different paper used, etc., and MUCH MORE."

The auditors are still seeking information from Maricopa County officials on the election and are reviving plans to canvass door-to-door to interview voters about the 2020 election, The Arizona Republic reported Thursday.

"Based on the data we're seeing, I highly recommend we do the canvassing because it's the one way to know for sure whether the data we're seeing are real problems," forensic auditor Cyber Ninjas CEO Doug Logan told lawmakers.

"We need to get the additional information because how do you do a final report if you don't have all the information?" she said, the Arizona Republic reported.

The Biden administration has opposed the door-to-door canvassing, with the Justice Department concerned it might amount to voter intimidation and violate federal civil rights protections.

Trump Gives an I-Told-You-So on Fox News' Early Arizona Call

As the Arizona Senate holds its hearing on the forensic Maricopa County election audit, former President Donald Trump reissued his rebuke of Fox News' early call on the state in the 2020 presidential election to Joe Biden.

www.newsmax.com

 

[CunningCanuk]

Republicans be like “life saving vaccines door to door? No way! Voter intimidation door to door? Hell yes!”

 

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And if they do not find the information they need, do the go looking for more information? And again? Keeping the lie going.

 

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Arizona audit muddles on with no clear end in sight
Maricopa County Superior Court Judge Michael Kemp shot down a motion from the GOP to dismiss a lawsuit from liberal watchdog group American Oversight seeking documents related to the state Senate’s audit.

Attorneys for the Republicans had argued that the information, which is currently in the possession of the private contracting firm Cyber Ninjas, is not obtainable under public disclosure rules. But Kemp rejected that argument Wednesday.

"Nothing in the statute absolves Senate defendants' responsibilities to keep and maintain records for authorities supported by public monies by merely retaining a third-party contractor who in turn hires subvendors," the judge wrote.

State Senate President Karen Fann (R) said that more documents were needed from the officials and that if they were not obtained, the deadline for a final report could slip.

“We need to get the additional information because how do you do a final report if you don’t have all the information?" Fann, who had previously said a report could be published in August, said at a briefing Thursday.

Republicans and audit conductors at the hearing laid out steps that would need to be taken to complete the audit, including obtaining the county’s computer network routers and door-to-door canvassing to gauge residents’ participation in the November election — efforts that could further prolong the count.

Similar counts elsewhere have been urged on by the former president himself — the de facto head of the Republican Party — almost assuring that Republicans will not drop the mantle of “election integrity” anytime soon.

“The irregularities revealed at the hearing today amount to hundreds of thousands of votes or, many times what is necessary for us to have won,” Trump said in a statement after Thursday’s briefing in Arizona. “There was no victory here, or in any other of the Swing States either.”

Arizona audit muddles on with no clear end in sight

Arizona’s partisan election audit is muddling along with no end on the horizon as Republicans in the state Senate and Democratic outside groups battle over the process.The glacial pace of the audit…

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These 'audits' will be what the Republicans will use to run on in 2022. They have a hard time with attacking Biden otherwise. They will manufacture their own 'facts' and their faithful will believe it.

 

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Arizona election auditors say they don't have enough information to finish report
Leaders of the GOP audit told the state Senate in a livestreamed meeting Thursday that their review is taking months longer than the 60 days initially planned because of issues including confusion about damaged ballots and a lack of access to some data.

For instance, Doug Logan, the CEO of Cyber Ninjas, the small cybersecurity consulting firm leading the audit, said, "We have 74,243 mail-in ballots where there is no clear record of their being sent."

He added, "We can tie them to a specific individual that it was mailed to, so we have 74,000 where we have and came back from individuals where we don't have a clear indication that they were ever sent out to them. That could be something where documentation wasn't done right — there was a clerical issue, there's not proper things there — but I think when we've got 74,000, it merits, you know, knocking on a door and validating some of this information."

Senate Republicans had already planned to canvass homes and ask people about their voting patterns, but in May dropped the idea under pressure from the U.S. Department of Justice, which warned the effort could violate laws against voter intimidation. Senate President Karen Fann said Thursday she would consult with lawyers before deciding whether to proceed.

Maricopa County responded to Logan's claim on Twitter: "In Maricopa County, we allow people to vote early in two ways: 1) by mail and 2) in-person at Vote Centers. These are all considered early votes."

The county explained, "The people who vote in-person use ballots provided at a Vote Center. This is not a new practice, so it's not unusual that we would have more early votes than mail-in ballots sent." The county also said that that Logan's method of tallying the early ballots that had been sent and received was incorrect.

Logan and two others — Ben Cotton, head of the data forensics firm CyFIR and former Republican Secretary of State Ken Bennett, who is serving as a liaison between the Senate and the auditors — raised a number of issues during the meeting, many misleading or wrong, that they said could be resolved with more data or cooperation from Maricopa County. The county's Republican-controlled Board of Supervisors has called the auditors incompetent and refused to cooperate.

"That's been one of the more difficult things with this audit, is not having that feedback loop," Logan said.

Fann says no audit findings will be released until a full report is completed. But Logan and Cotton made several claims in their plea for more information before they can complete it. Among the records they're seeking are images of mail-in ballot envelopes, security keys for administrator-level access to voting machines, copies of internet routers, a diagram of the county's network and a copy of the county's voter-registration database.

Cotton said the antivirus software on vote-counting machines hasn't been updated since 2019. The county responded that the machines are "air gapped," or disconnected from the internet to prevent remote hacking.

"Installing security patches would be changing the system that was certified," county officials wrote on Twitter.

Logan pointed to ballots that were not printed in alignment between the front and back, saying the mismatch could allow ink to bleed through and be counted for the wrong candidate on the other side, though he did not provide any evidence that this had happened.

The allegation harkens back to the "Sharpiegate" conspiracy theory that arose in the days after the election. Election experts say bleed through doesn't affect the vote count because bubbles on one side of a ballot don't align with those on the other, and any ballots appearing to vote for more than one candidate would be flagged.

Logan also said counting teams have struggled to match damaged ballots to their duplicates. Ballots unreadable by machines are duplicated by bipartisan teams, with the original set aside and the duplicate counted. And he said there are inconsistent voter registration records that can't be reconciled without more data.

Arizona election auditors say they don't have enough information to finish report

Auditors in the partisan review want legislators to subpoena more records and survey tens of thousands of voters at home.

www.cbsnews.com

So the audit can not be complete unless they go door to door and tie each person to their ballot. Or so it seems.

 

[rkymtnman]

Arizona election auditors say they don't have enough information to finish report
Leaders of the GOP audit told the state Senate in a livestreamed meeting Thursday that their review is taking months longer than the 60 days initially planned because of issues including confusion about damaged ballots and a lack of access to some data.

For instance, Doug Logan, the CEO of Cyber Ninjas, the small cybersecurity consulting firm leading the audit, said, "We have 74,243 mail-in ballots where there is no clear record of their being sent."

He added, "We can tie them to a specific individual that it was mailed to, so we have 74,000 where we have and came back from individuals where we don't have a clear indication that they were ever sent out to them. That could be something where documentation wasn't done right — there was a clerical issue, there's not proper things there — but I think when we've got 74,000, it merits, you know, knocking on a door and validating some of this information."

Senate Republicans had already planned to canvass homes and ask people about their voting patterns, but in May dropped the idea under pressure from the U.S. Department of Justice, which warned the effort could violate laws against voter intimidation. Senate President Karen Fann said Thursday she would consult with lawyers before deciding whether to proceed.

Maricopa County responded to Logan's claim on Twitter: "In Maricopa County, we allow people to vote early in two ways: 1) by mail and 2) in-person at Vote Centers. These are all considered early votes."

The county explained, "The people who vote in-person use ballots provided at a Vote Center. This is not a new practice, so it's not unusual that we would have more early votes than mail-in ballots sent." The county also said that that Logan's method of tallying the early ballots that had been sent and received was incorrect.

Logan and two others — Ben Cotton, head of the data forensics firm CyFIR and former Republican Secretary of State Ken Bennett, who is serving as a liaison between the Senate and the auditors — raised a number of issues during the meeting, many misleading or wrong, that they said could be resolved with more data or cooperation from Maricopa County. The county's Republican-controlled Board of Supervisors has called the auditors incompetent and refused to cooperate.

"That's been one of the more difficult things with this audit, is not having that feedback loop," Logan said.

Fann says no audit findings will be released until a full report is completed. But Logan and Cotton made several claims in their plea for more information before they can complete it. Among the records they're seeking are images of mail-in ballot envelopes, security keys for administrator-level access to voting machines, copies of internet routers, a diagram of the county's network and a copy of the county's voter-registration database.

Cotton said the antivirus software on vote-counting machines hasn't been updated since 2019. The county responded that the machines are "air gapped," or disconnected from the internet to prevent remote hacking.

"Installing security patches would be changing the system that was certified," county officials wrote on Twitter.

Logan pointed to ballots that were not printed in alignment between the front and back, saying the mismatch could allow ink to bleed through and be counted for the wrong candidate on the other side, though he did not provide any evidence that this had happened.

The allegation harkens back to the "Sharpiegate" conspiracy theory that arose in the days after the election. Election experts say bleed through doesn't affect the vote count because bubbles on one side of a ballot don't align with those on the other, and any ballots appearing to vote for more than one candidate would be flagged.

Logan also said counting teams have struggled to match damaged ballots to their duplicates. Ballots unreadable by machines are duplicated by bipartisan teams, with the original set aside and the duplicate counted. And he said there are inconsistent voter registration records that can't be reconciled without more data.

Arizona election auditors say they don't have enough information to finish report

Auditors in the partisan review want legislators to subpoena more records and survey tens of thousands of voters at home.

www.cbsnews.com

So the audit can not be complete unless they go door to door and tie each person to their ballot. Or so it seems.

doug logan did a voice over on a QAnon video. and he's in charge of cyber ninjas.

move along folks, nothing to see here. lol.

the only quetion i have is will they find 1. alot more votes for trump to beat biden handily or 2. just enough to make him the victor in AZ.

 

[hanimmal]

doug logan did a voice over on a QAnon video. and he's in charge of cyber ninjas.

move along folks, nothing to see here. lol.

the only quetion i have is will they find 1. alot more votes for trump to beat biden handily or 2. just enough to make him the victor in AZ.

And when they are told that they cannot send the goons hired by these propagandists to go door to door to question how people voted, they get to have the fall back of 'its a cover up' troll.



Oh, what a beautiful cat/dog/bird what is it's name?

Oh are these your kids? What are their names?

And all that data gets sent back to their handlers to use to attack them.