maxivenezuela
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Those still look very small for cutting "normal" clones, I would give them a couple of days before doing it!
DJ SHORT BLUEBERRY FROM SEED, FIRST TIME GROW!! (updated daily)
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yoyoyojoe
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Date: 11/19 10:00 PM
Cycle: VEG Day 19
Total Days: 33 (Rooting of the seeds took two weeks)
Room Conditions:
LIGHTS (600 W HPS) ON 18/6 (4:30 PM to 10:30AM )
Distance from top of Growing Medium 15"
Temperature 82F Current, 78F-86 F Last 12 Hours
Humidity - 41% 33-42% Last 12 hours
Room/Light vent running-YES
Small room fan 24/0
HELP!!!!!
I feel like my bigger plants leaves as starting to wilt. The smaller plants leaves are sticking up but I noticed that the bigger ones are turning down. Check out the pics cause you can see it there. Do you think this is because of the strain or because the plants are dying. I think the leaves should be pearking up way more.
I also have been spraying the laves with regular water a few times a day. I am not sure if this is ok or not but can you please give me some advice on how to fix.
From reading a little further I think I might know what the problem is. I think I have over watered and the nutrients are straining it as well. RIght now I am giving 3.4 L pots about a cup of what with fox farm nutrient blend every two days. I am only using half of what has been suggested for the nutes on the bottle. I am an idiot and watered it today without looking at what the probelm might be.
I think right now I should not water it for about 4 days. After the 4 days have passed, water it with fresh water. After 3 more days cut the nutrients to 1/3 the amount and then continue to water every 3 days switching off from PH balanced to 6 water , to the nutrient filled water. Fox farm says use the nutes in every other feed. I was not following that and just watering it every 2 days. I think every 3 days switching between waters is what needs to be done. So basically the plant will be watered 2 times a week once with regular PH water and the other with 1/3 of the suggested nutrient water.
Let me know what you think
Cycle: VEG Day 19
Total Days: 33 (Rooting of the seeds took two weeks)
Room Conditions:
LIGHTS (600 W HPS) ON 18/6 (4:30 PM to 10:30AM )
Distance from top of Growing Medium 15"
Temperature 82F Current, 78F-86 F Last 12 Hours
Humidity - 41% 33-42% Last 12 hours
Room/Light vent running-YES
Small room fan 24/0
HELP!!!!!
I feel like my bigger plants leaves as starting to wilt. The smaller plants leaves are sticking up but I noticed that the bigger ones are turning down. Check out the pics cause you can see it there. Do you think this is because of the strain or because the plants are dying. I think the leaves should be pearking up way more.
I also have been spraying the laves with regular water a few times a day. I am not sure if this is ok or not but can you please give me some advice on how to fix.
From reading a little further I think I might know what the problem is. I think I have over watered and the nutrients are straining it as well. RIght now I am giving 3.4 L pots about a cup of what with fox farm nutrient blend every two days. I am only using half of what has been suggested for the nutes on the bottle. I am an idiot and watered it today without looking at what the probelm might be.
I think right now I should not water it for about 4 days. After the 4 days have passed, water it with fresh water. After 3 more days cut the nutrients to 1/3 the amount and then continue to water every 3 days switching off from PH balanced to 6 water , to the nutrient filled water. Fox farm says use the nutes in every other feed. I was not following that and just watering it every 2 days. I think every 3 days switching between waters is what needs to be done. So basically the plant will be watered 2 times a week once with regular PH water and the other with 1/3 of the suggested nutrient water.
Let me know what you think
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yoyoyojoe
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Do you think I should rotate watering nutrient filled water and just regular PH'd water. And should I stick with using 1/2 of the recomended nutrient dose or just 1/3.
krippo
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well since you may have already started to overwater/nute a little just lay off the nutes and cut back on watering for a bit until you see some improvement. once its showing you its liking it and looking better start up on your nutes again, start like a third and only feed it no more than once a week, or less than that. they dont really need to be fed too much if your soil is good already.
as the plant starts taking the nutes better slowly increase the dosage
maxivenezuela
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I guess you are right about the over watering and too much fert.
The small leaves curling looks like the result of to much fert, if you are giving them half the fert but every time when you water them it's like giving them 100% fert every second time, and if you water them to much you give them more fert anyway.
Maybe you should flush them with water(PH 6-6.
and then dont water them at all a few days before you start to feed them again.
The big leafs wilting I guess results mostly from the to high temps! In a combination with overwatering them and the low air humidity...
Spray them with water is a good thing but doing this with the HPS swiched on, can burn little spots on the leafs, and it's kind of dangerous 'couse just 1 drop of water can make explode a hot HPS bulb!
The small leaves curling looks like the result of to much fert, if you are giving them half the fert but every time when you water them it's like giving them 100% fert every second time, and if you water them to much you give them more fert anyway.
Maybe you should flush them with water(PH 6-6.
and then dont water them at all a few days before you start to feed them again.The big leafs wilting I guess results mostly from the to high temps! In a combination with overwatering them and the low air humidity...
Spray them with water is a good thing but doing this with the HPS swiched on, can burn little spots on the leafs, and it's kind of dangerous 'couse just 1 drop of water can make explode a hot HPS bulb!
yoyoyojoe
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Hey Max,I guess you are right about the over watering and too much fert.
The small leaves curling looks like the result of to much fert, if you are giving them half the fert but every time when you water them it's like giving them 100% fert every second time, and if you water them to much you give them more fert anyway.
Maybe you should flush them with water(PH 6-6.
The big leafs wilting I guess results mostly from the to high temps! In a combination with overwatering them and the low air humidity...
Spray them with water is a good thing but doing this with the HPS swiched on, can burn little spots on the leafs, and it's kind of dangerous 'couse just 1 drop of water can make explode a hot HPS bulb!
I watered today about 3 hours ago. Should I flush with 6 PH water tonight or tomorrow or wait till the next watering in 3 days. Also I am giving it 1 cup of water should I do more or less on watering days. ALSO how much do I flush them with.
...also do you think I should swtich off from Ph balanced water to nutrient water with 1/2 directed dosage, or Regular PH'd water to 1/3 directed dosage?? let me know what you tinkg.
maxivenezuela
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After that, I would use regular PH'd water and NO fert at all for the first 2 times you're gonna water them and after tihis I'would use every second time you water them 1/2 dosage or every time 1/4 dosage, 'couse every time 1/2 dosage is like using full dosage of fert if the instruccions say you have to use fert every second time...
yoyoyojoe
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That sounds like a great idea max. I thought they were improving becasue this morning they were perking up a little bit. When I went back to look at them this afternoon all of the plants had drooping leaves. It is deff an over water problem. I am going to wait till about Sunday and then water them again with regular water every 3 days.
After that it should be a month of veging so hopefully I will be able to take some cloans. If not I can wait another week and just mix 1/4 the reccomended dose into the water. I think that should work...hopefully.
After that it should be a month of veging so hopefully I will be able to take some cloans. If not I can wait another week and just mix 1/4 the reccomended dose into the water. I think that should work...hopefully.
MrHowardMarks
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Overwatering, answered you better in my journal... You might want to cut back the misting unless you have low humidity, or you're foliar feeding.
maxivenezuela
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Flushing is not watering them, flushing is to clean out fert...
You use 3 times more water than volume of your pots, if you have 3,4L pots use about 11L per pot...
You use 3 times more water than volume of your pots, if you have 3,4L pots use about 11L per pot...
yoyoyojoe
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Based on what you have seen from my plants do you think I should flush...and if i flush how many days after should I water...just when they are dry right? And how much water do you think I should give them on a regular basis based on pot size.
maxivenezuela
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I guess flushing them would be a good Idea...
Right, after you can start watering them when they are almost dry...
You can flush with 2-3 times the water then the pot volume, that would be the usual amount.
Right, after you can start watering them when they are almost dry...
You can flush with 2-3 times the water then the pot volume, that would be the usual amount.
yoyoyojoe
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Max,
You have been the most vocal on my blog. I am going to listen to you and give it a try. I am going to buy some distilled water from the market, PH it and then do it. If i was going to PH test my run off water what do I want it to be at?
maxivenezuela
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Don't flush with destilled water, or if you do it, give it about 20%(10% if instruccions say every second time) of the recomendet fert per liter, couse if not this means stress for your plants, they would be without any nuts...
I would use just tap water, ph'd it to 6,5 and use a very little bit of fert, i sugguest about 10% of recomendet dosage per liter that means 5% if the recomendet dosage is for every second time...
I would use just tap water, ph'd it to 6,5 and use a very little bit of fert, i sugguest about 10% of recomendet dosage per liter that means 5% if the recomendet dosage is for every second time...
yoyoyojoe
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Max i was actually a little pre emptive and flushed before you said anything.
I actually just used tap water and PH'd it to around 6. The run off was 6 as well. I used about 2 liters on each plant. I didnt use any nutrients.
After they were watered I feel like tha plants got a little darker and it looked like they are going to rebound overnight.
Its very interesting to see how it worked. I also realized the thing about the weight of the pots. When I used 1 cup i was not using enough becuase weight did not gain. Now that I used 2 L in each I can see that the weight deff changes. I have a feeling that it was a little bot of nutrient burn and a little bit over UNDERWATERING. Lets see what happens overnight.
MrHowardMarks
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Yeah, they'll be alright...
The pots are pretty darn heavy when you water them because the soil is a sponge.
As long as there are holes on the bottom for drainage it's difficult to overwater them. Overwatering is when you don't let the soil to dry in between waterings. A moisture tester will tell you alot, after a week of using it, you'll get the idea of how much a particular plant is drinking.
Be careful, they don't all drink as much at the same time, some may have a slight problem, and decide not to drink so much while a few are thriving. So check if they need water before you water them.
The pots are pretty darn heavy when you water them because the soil is a sponge.
As long as there are holes on the bottom for drainage it's difficult to overwater them. Overwatering is when you don't let the soil to dry in between waterings. A moisture tester will tell you alot, after a week of using it, you'll get the idea of how much a particular plant is drinking.
Be careful, they don't all drink as much at the same time, some may have a slight problem, and decide not to drink so much while a few are thriving. So check if they need water before you water them.
MrHowardMarks
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And yeah, a cup of water probably wasn't enough to reach the bottom of the pot. Therefore, root growth wasn't there and whatever extra nutrients that weren't eaten were in there, good idea to flush.
Each watering I give 1/2 to a full gallon to a 5 gal pot... I imagine the same ratio to your pot size would work well. I usually have to feed every 2-3 days. I flush with 2 gallons. The two to three times your pot size is more for a emergency toxic buildup, or a preplanting flush... Watering too much at one time can compact the soil and make it harder for air to get to the roots.
Unless you're using way to much synthetic fertilizer, like miracle grow at twice the recommended dosage I wouldn't worry.
Each watering I give 1/2 to a full gallon to a 5 gal pot... I imagine the same ratio to your pot size would work well. I usually have to feed every 2-3 days. I flush with 2 gallons. The two to three times your pot size is more for a emergency toxic buildup, or a preplanting flush... Watering too much at one time can compact the soil and make it harder for air to get to the roots.
Unless you're using way to much synthetic fertilizer, like miracle grow at twice the recommended dosage I wouldn't worry.