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[ElBarto]

Obama has said he admires Doris Kearns Goodwin's wonderful Lincoln biography, Team of Rivals. "He talks about it all the time," says a top aide. He is particularly intrigued by the notion that Lincoln assembled all the Republicans who had run against him for President in his war Cabinet, some of whom disagreed with him vehemently and persistently. "The lesson is to not let your ego or grudges get in the way of hiring absolutely the best people," Obama told me. "I don't think the American people are fundamentally ideological. They're pragmatic ... and so I have an interest in casting a wide net, seeking out people with a wide range of expertise, including Republicans," for the highest positions in his government.

Obama's Team of Rivals
by Joe Klein
Time Magazine Online
June, 2008.

 

[poutineeh]

dude......if you want to show off the conservative side.....dont quote anne coulter

granted, she says some things that are very agreeable, but shes just to bellicose for my taste

but i will say its an ok article

ann coulter is huge bitch

 

[TheBrutalTruth]

As far as what type of person is, Obama isn't much like FDR. The similarity comes from the fact that they both took office during an economic crisis, and may have to implement similar plans. Obama is more like JFK, in that both are inspirational and charismatic, both represented a break with the past, and both represented 'the first X president', ie, Kennedy was Catholic and Obama black. People compared Kennedy and Lincoln too, at the time. But Kennedy came from a wealth background with his family heavily involved in politics. Obama and Lincoln were both fairly poor growing up, and both were lawyers who later got into politics.

Of course, we won't really be able to compare them until after Obama's been president for a while.

Well maybe we'll see just how much Obama is like Abraham Lincoln when he tries to reconcile with the Conservatives, and announces the end of the nanny state.

As far as corporate taskmasters, better some one I choose to work for of my own free will than jack ass bureaucrats that want to do nothing for me unless I'm as useless to society as they are.

Besides, everyone with more than two brain cells in their head knows that the only way to get rich is to own and operate your own business.

Though I really do believe that Obama will be like FDR, a traitor that should have had himself lined up against a wall at West Point and shot like the socialist dog like he was. JFK should have been treated the same way.

Charismatic Leaders have shown that they are about as useful to securing the freedoms in this Republic as a turd on the front lawn of the White House.

FDR was nothing more than this nations Sulla, and it was only by his death that his grip on the presidency was erased. Too bad it happened too late to prevent him from totally destroying the Republic.

 

[misshestermoffitt]

Can we let him get sworn in before we start bitching about what he's doing please?

We tried the republican thing and look where it got us, it's going to take time to clean up the current mess. Can't you just relax your sphincter for a bit and see what he does to try to shape things up?

 

[TheBrutalTruth]

Can we let him get sworn in before we start bitching about what he's doing please?

We tried the republican thing and look where it got us, it's going to take time to clean up the current mess. Can't you just relax your sphincter for a bit and see what he does to try to shape things up?

Who said I trust the "Comp ASS ionate Conservatives" any more than I trust the Democrats?

I'm starting to think that the people on this board that hate Bush are right. He was a stupid son of a bitch that only won, because he was the lesser of three evils (Kerry, Gore) being the other two.

But he failed to secure the border, which is necessary to preserve ourselves as an individual nation.

A nation with out firm borders is not a nation at all, it is a landless entity that exists only though the belief that it exists, and we've seen how well belief in the value of the dollar has held up its value...

We also need to close our doors to immigrants. Like the period from the 1924 or whatever to the 1960s we need time to digest and Americanize the immigrants that are here. To make sure that E Pluribus Unum, Out of many, one, remains true.

 

[misshestermoffitt]

I agree, close those borders, have a giant sign that says CLOSED NO VACANCIES .

Build a huge wall then 100 yards inside that wall build a second one with armed guards on the top.

 

[Potterpan]

Too much t.v. for you guys. The Media is full of Obama supporters. I SAY WITH CAPS ON DO YOUR RESERCH-OBAMA IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE STOCK MARKET CRASH, BUSH IS A GOOD GUY, OFCOURSE NOT EVERY CHOICE HE MAKES ISNT THE GREATEST BUT GIVE IT TIME AN YOU WILL SEE THE CHOICES HE MADE WILL PREVAIL. NOTS NOT FORGET (DEM). CLINTON. AND THE PROBLEMS HE CAUSED. AS FAR AS THE ECONOMY.



p.s. I love tv...

 

[natrone23]

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Though I really do believe that Obama will be like FDR, a traitor that should have had himself lined up against a wall at West Point and shot like the socialist dog like he was. JFK should have been treated the same way.

WOW

 

[Big P]

Or emancipate the "wage-slaves" from the oppression of their "corporate taskmasters."

I didnt realize these "slaves" were forced to work for these employers


i cant wait till you costs you $5 to buy a snickers bar


how much does a sanwich maker at subway deserve to ern for doing somthing as simple as slapping together a ham sanwitch?

and how much should a sub cost then? and how many will pay that much?


and what happens when customers would not pay those prices and the subway has to close,

then what will the sanwich maker do without a job?

shall we then pay his unemplyment cuz the government forced his boss to pay him $15 per hour to slap together a ham sanwitch?


things to ponder



or maybe a ham sanwich maker is not a good job to raise a familiy on period

 

[Doctor Pot]

I didnt realize these "slaves" were forced to work for these employers


i cant wait till you costs you $5 to buy a snickers bar


how much does a sanwich maker at subway deserve to ern for doing somthing as simple as slapping together a ham sanwitch?

and how much should a sub cost then? and how many will pay that much?


and what happens when customers would not pay those prices and the subway has to close,

then what will the sanwich maker do without a job?

shall we then pay his unemplyment cuz the government forced his boss to pay him $15 per hour to slap together a ham sanwitch?


things to ponder



or maybe a ham sanwich maker is not a good job to raise a familiy on period

I thought the quotes and the winky smily face would make it obvious it wasn't serious. My point was that there was an equal and opposite sentiment to whoever I quoted (Vi I think), but not that I actually shared those sentiments.

 

[Doctor Pot]

Well maybe we'll see just how much Obama is like Abraham Lincoln when he tries to reconcile with the Conservatives, and announces the end of the nanny state.

That would be capitulating to them, not reconciling with them.

As far as corporate taskmasters, better some one I choose to work for of my own free will than jack ass bureaucrats that want to do nothing for me unless I'm as useless to society as they are.

Some people aren't all that intelligent, and can easily be manipulated by their employers. We saw this a lot during the late 19th century. I think there should be protections against this, do you?

Besides, everyone with more than two brain cells in their head knows that the only way to get rich is to own and operate your own business.

Not everyone has the skill or investment capital to do this.

Though I really do believe that Obama will be like FDR, a traitor that should have had himself lined up against a wall at West Point and shot like the socialist dog like he was. JFK should have been treated the same way.

Right...

Charismatic Leaders have shown that they are about as useful to securing the freedoms in this Republic as a turd on the front lawn of the White House.

So you're a conservative that thinks Reagan was as useful as a turd? Impressive, I had no idea you existed!

FDR was nothing more than this nations Sulla, and it was only by his death that his grip on the presidency was erased. Too bad it happened too late to prevent him from totally destroying the Republic.

Because the US is totally destroyed, as we all know. (I know you meant the Republican system of government was heavily modified, but that's not what you said)

 

[ViRedd]

As far as what type of person is, Obama isn't much like FDR. The similarity comes from the fact that they both took office during an economic crisis, and may have to implement similar plans.

Yes, and both of these crises were caused by government interference into the market place. Looking back historically at FDR's solutions, we can clearly see that the programs instituted by FDR extended the depression by eight years or so. Its interesting to note that there were more unemployed at the end of Roosevelt's third term than there were at the beginning of his first term. Now we hear Obama talking about applying the same "solutions" and therefore he will ratchet up the welfare state far beyond it's present level. Its amazing that we still have people among us who honestly believe that government creates jobs.

With the recent confiscation of over a trillion dollars of private wealth for these so called bailouts, we are advancing toward totalitarianism at a more rapid rate than ever. I believe its important to note that when the citizen's wealth is collectivised, the next and final step toward fascism is the collectivisation of the citizen himself.

Obama and his ilk frightens me.

Vi

 

[medicineman]

Too much t.v. for you guys. The Media is full of Obama supporters. I SAY WITH CAPS ON DO YOUR RESERCH-OBAMA IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE STOCK MARKET CRASH, BUSH IS A GOOD GUY, OFCOURSE NOT EVERY CHOICE HE MAKES ISNT THE GREATEST BUT GIVE IT TIME AN YOU WILL SEE THE CHOICES HE MADE WILL PREVAIL. NOTS NOT FORGET (DEM). CLINTON. AND THE PROBLEMS HE CAUSED. AS FAR AS THE ECONOMY.



p.s. I love tv...

Absolute nonsense

 

[misshestermoffitt]

So a job as "unimportant" as sandwich making isn't worthy of a livable wage? What are you going to do when you have to make your own sandwiches?

Imagine if all the service people just quit their jobs all in the same day because the jobs don't pay enough. You wouldn't be able to eat, fly, get a hotel room, pay a toll, get a cab, find a clean toilet, buy any groceries, purchase gas, the list goes on and on.

So how important is that sandwich maker again?

 

[medicineman]

Yes, and both of these crises were caused by government interference into the market place. Looking back historically at FDR's solutions, we can clearly see that the programs instituted by FDR extended the depression by eight years or so. Its interesting to note that there were more unemployed at the end of Roosevelt's third term than there were at the beginning of his first term. Now we hear Obama talking about applying the same "solutions" and therefore he will ratchet up the welfare state far beyond it's present level. Its amazing that we still have people among us who honestly believe that government creates jobs.

With the recent confiscation of over a trillion dollars of private wealth for these so called bailouts, we are advancing toward totalitarianism at a more rapid rate than ever. I believe its important to note that when the citizen's wealth is collectivised, the next and final step toward fascism is the collectivisation of the citizen himself.

Obama and his ilk frightens me.

Vi

Uhhh, Vi, this was Bush and McCains main plan, Obama took his time before he reluctantly voted for it. You can't blame this on Obama, nice try though, I'm sure you've got your spin machine running full blast. BTW, cuntler is insane.

 

[misshestermoffitt]

Hey Koolaid......

I SAY WITH CAPS ON DO YOUR RESERCH-OBAMA IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE STOCK MARKET CRASH, BUSH IS A GOOD GUY, ...

 

[ViRedd]

Uhhh, Vi, this was Bush and McCains main plan, Obama took his time before he reluctantly voted for it. You can't blame this on Obama, nice try though, I'm sure you've got your spin machine running full blast. BTW, cuntler is insane.

First of all Med ... why are you posting in this thread? I mean, I clearly warned you not to read it, and yet ... you just had to take a peek, didn't you?

Of course Bush and McCain are at fault, as is the entire Republican Party with a few exceptions like Ron Paul.

Did you read my entire post? It relates to the historical buildup of the totalitarian, fascistic state in this country beginning with FDR. Actually, it began with Wilson ... but we weren't discussing Wilson.

Again, with the trillion-dollar bailouts and the proposals Obama is making, especially when observing the cabinet he's putting together, the welfare state will become larger than ever, along with the weakening of individual liberty and economic freedom.

On the other hand ... you can just continue to blindly believe that government can create jobs.

Vi

 

[misshestermoffitt]

Don't bail them out, make the CEO's sell all their stuff and put the money back into the companies. Isn't that what capitolism is all about? Reap the benefits and suffer the hard times, it's a package deal. They reaped, now it's time to sow the next crop.

 

["SICC"]

i dont even kno half the shit you guys talk about, buts it is fun to watch you guys argue

 

[medicineman]

Don't bail them out, make the CEO's sell all their stuff and put the money back into the companies. Isn't that what capitolism is all about? Reap the benefits and suffer the hard times, it's a package deal. They reaped, now it's time to sow the next crop.

The first order of business to any Bailoutee, should be to return all the perks at the top and no person should make more than the POTUs, or 400K. They don't have any qualms about sacrificing employee jobs.
I got a laugh at the hearings yesterday when one of the senators asked all the CEOs of the auto industry if they would be willing to sell those corporate jets they flew to washington in with a tin cup in their hand, he asked those willing to raise their hands and then said, "let the record show that not one raised their hands".