UncleBuck
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Being a carrier of a deadly communicable disease is not an individual choice you stupid child
Pandemic 2020
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do you think he reasons over drivers license and car insurance? driving the right side of the road?
why or why not?
DIY-HP-LED
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U.S. nurses' COVID-19 grief pours out online: 'I just don't want to watch anyone else die'
Nichole Atherton couldn't take it anymore.
U.S. nurses' COVID-19 grief pours out online: 'I just don't want to watch anyone else die'
Aug 6 (Reuters) - Nichole Atherton couldn't take it anymore.
The intensive care nurse watched helplessly last year as COVID-19 sufferers died in her Mississippi hospital - slowly, painfully and alone. Then in July she was again confronted with a wave of deathly ill patients, even though almost all likely could have saved themselves by getting the coronavirus vaccine.
"People want to argue about masks and vaccines and freedom. I just don't want to watch anyone else die," the 39-year-old mother of two wrote on Facebook a few days ago. "I see their faces in my nightmares. And it feels like it is never ending."
As the United States grapples with rising infections, hospitalizations and deaths amid a surge of the virus' Delta variant, exhausted and desperate health care workers are turning to social media to describe the grim reality they face.
For some, the writing is cathartic, a way of processing their grief and anxiety. Others see it as a responsibility, using their devastating encounters with death to try to convince skeptical Americans to take the pandemic seriously.
"I just wanted people to know that it's real, and it's scary, and it's hard for us," Atherton said in a phone interview. "The first wave was heartbreaking, because there was nothing people could do except stay away from the people they love. This time, there are options."
New daily coronavirus cases in the United States have hit a six-month high, with the seven-day average reaching nearly 95,000. That rate is five times higher than it was less than a month ago, Reuters data shows. read more
Health officials have said the surge has been driven almost entirely by the unvaccinated. Vaccines are not widely available in many other countries, yet in the United States just 49% of the population of 330 million is fully vaccinated.
Doctors, nurses and hospital leaders interviewed by Reuters in six states described a workforce that is depleted and demoralized by wards overflowing with mostly unvaccinated patients.
The health providers who have waded into public forums in an effort to counter disinformation said they have sometimes been attacked online by anti-vaccine skeptics.
"There's so much misinformation out there," said Tiya Curtis-Morris, an emergency and intensive care nurse in southeastern Louisiana. "Maybe if I tell people, and they understand what we deal with everyday ... but they don't want to hear it."
Louisiana's governor reinstituted a mask mandate this week as the state set new daily hospitalization records and Curtis-Morris has been urging Facebook friends to wear them.
She is more careful discussing vaccines, saying she understands why some people are hesitant. The 46-year-old single mother of four daughters is vaccinated but held off until recently in having her younger children inoculated, in consultation with their pediatrician. Her mother has thus far refused, citing fears of side effects.
'IT DIDN'T HAVE TO BE LIKE THIS'
Earlier this week, ICU nurse Kathryn Ivey, 28, spent her break time at a Tennessee hospital crafting an emotionally raw Twitter thread.
"It is so much worse, this time," she wrote. "We all have so much less to give. We are still bearing the fresh and heavy grief of the last year and trying to find somewhere to put all this anger. But the patients don't stop coming. And the anger doesn't stop coming.
"It didn't have to be like this," she concluded.
The thread went viral.
Ivey said in an interview that she put her feelings down in writing for the sake of her mental health. A rash of patients – younger and younger, she said – have flooded her hospital, virtually all unvaccinated.
She expressed little hope that her words would make a difference. People who are most adamantly against vaccines will only be convinced if they see their loved ones sick, she said.
"That just breaks my heart: that people need to go through this hurt to understand," said Ivey, who began her career during the pandemic. "I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that if these people knew what COVID was, they would not risk it. But ignorance is a powerful thing."
Despair drove Atherton, the Mississippi nurse, to speak out.
On Facebook this week, she described in harrowing detail an unvaccinated woman struggling to breathe and scared of leaving her children behind without a mother.
At one point, the woman was desperate for a sip of water, and Atherton – despite her misgivings – agreed to remove her oxygen for a few seconds to offer her a drink. Soon after, the woman was intubated, having seen her family for the last time via video call.
"I wonder if I hadn't let her have that sip of water if she would still be alive," Atherton wrote. "My rational side knows she was too sick. She wouldn't have made it anyway. My emotional side will never stop wondering."
Three people have messaged her to say they will get vaccinated, Atherton said.
But the accumulated strain of seeing so much death has become too much for Atherton, who told her hospital last week she is resigning.
She plans to work as a nurse elsewhere, she said. She just can no longer bear witness to COVID-19's daily toll on members of her own community.
DIY-HP-LED
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It's time to stop talking to the unvaccinated and listening to their pathetic excuses, whining and illogical rationales, just vaccinate the stupid fucks for everybody's good including their own. Treat them like the children they are and make em wards of the state if ya gotta. It doesn't matter if they are Trumpers or left wing organic granola eaters, they are dangerous to themselves and society. Believing bullshit has consequences and these are not nearly as bad as the possible maiming and death that covid brings. Infectious diseases are not a matter of individual choices, but of public health and community rights.
Experts expect the mRNA vaccines to come out of EUA around September 6th and I expect the gloves will come off around then. This is just the warm up period, preheating until the fire is turned up, FREEDUMB!
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After months of vaccine incentives, nation changes course
Life may be about to get tougher for the unvaccinated -- and it's not only because of their significantly increased risk of getting COVID-19 and becoming very sick.
A rising chorus of states, cities and private sector titans have implemented new vaccine requirements for their employees and patrons. It marks a new, less negotiable phase in the fight against the coronavirus, after months of cajoling and material goodies leading the vaccination campaign.
MORE: COVID-19 live updates: Only 2 states don't have high or substantial community transmission
The new incentives aren't financial. They draw motivation from immediate and tangible fears: of losing time to go get tested, losing a job, losing money or missing out on social events, as well as the ever more apparent pain of the pandemic hitting home through loss of life and loved ones. More than 97% of hospitalized COVID-19 patients in the country are unvaccinated, according to the White House COVID-19 Task Force.
Now, after months of vaccine rates tapering off, vaccination rates are heading back up with the recent surge of serious illness. On Thursday alone, the U.S. saw its highest vaccination numbers in over a month -- 585,000 new vaccinations in a single day, the White House COVID-19 data director announced. Some of the most dramatic upticks in recent vaccinations have been in states with the highest surges in new cases and hospitalizations and some of the lowest vaccination rates.
"Watching more people dying in the ICU, kids getting sick? Yes, that motivates," said Dr. Arthur Caplan, professor of bioethics and the founding head of New York University School of Medicine's medical ethics division. "Free beer, fishing license, free marijuana, college tuition didn't move many people to get vaccinated."
Unvaccinated Americans must now weigh their own personal risk-benefit ratio: Take the vaccine or face restrictions.
"The carrots do not work much," Caplan said. "Now, we're seeing more pressure coming from the other side."
MORE: Why some states are pushing back on masks amid delta variant surge
That pressure is coming in the form of federal, state and local vaccine requirements.
Requirements that government employees get vaccinated or face regular testing, social distancing and masks were accompanied by a slew of major companies like Google, Facebook, Tyson Foods and Disney, which is the parent company of ABC News, now requiring the vaccine for their employees.
"I think we've taken significant steps to make it difficult to come back to work, or more difficult to come back to work, if you're not vaccinated," White House Coronavirus Response Coordinator Jeff Zients said.
The Biden administration has made clear there will be no federal mandate; but its recent lean-in to vaccine requirements marks a shift in tone, going from from removing barriers to getting the vaccine to making it harder to move about "normal" life for those who choose not to get it.
"There's a bit of a hassle factor that plays into whether or not people are willing to get an exemption," Julie Morita, executive vice president of the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, told ABC. "And if it's too difficult or more challenging, people might opt just to get vaccinated."
As the NFL season gets into gear, the league informed clubs that it would not extend the season to accommodate a COVID-19 outbreak among unvaccinated players that leads to a game cancellation, the NFL Network reported, a stark turn from the season prior, when the league flexed the schedule to avoid missed games amid outbreaks. Additionally, players on both teams would forfeit pay for the lost contest, and the team responsible for the cancellation brought on by unvaccinated players would cover the financial losses and face potential disciplinary action.
Caplan suggests framing vaccination as the more appealing choice; opting out will make life harder.
New York is the first city in the country that will require proof of at least one dose of vaccination for some of the main modes of basic leisure -- dining out inside, indoor entertainment and working out at the gym. All state employees will be required to get vaccinated or get tested weekly beginning Labor Day.
Major privately run hospitals in New York will impose a similar vaccine requirement. In internal emails obtained by ABC News, New York Presbyterian and Mount Sinai both notified staff that beginning in September, workers must show proof of vaccination or undergo weekly testing. State-run, patient-facing hospital workers will have no testing option.
MORE: Biden's new vaccine requirement meets pushback from unions who helped elect him
"Please note that compliance -- either by vaccination or exemption -- will be required for your continued employment," New York Presbyterian's hospital president and vice president said in a letter to staff. "We want all of our team members to continue working with us, but we have to balance that with the imperative to protect our patients, employees and communities."
The move earned protest from the largest health care union in the U.S. Members of the 1199SEIU United Healthcare Workers East said they shouldn't have to be vaccinated to keep their jobs -- especially if it risks losing front-line health workers at a time they're most needed. That mirrored some national unions' concerns about protecting individual freedoms -- and not forcing their workers to pay for government-enforced testing.
Experts note there's a fine line between requirements being "part of what's going to nudge more people to get vaccinated," as Surgeon General Vivek Murthy told ABC's Start Here podcast, and pushing them away.
A full federal mandate might make hesitant and unvaccinated Americans "dig in their heels" further, Morita said.
"Generally, with mandates of any kind, you want to do everything else possible before you mandate something," she said. "But when the vaccine is free, it's accessible, and you're still struggling, then mandates make sense. But you really want to give people the chance to do it on their own."
MORE: Are COVID vaccinations covered under HIPAA?
The advent of more local mandates looms on the imminent horizon as soon as the vaccine is fully FDA-approved, which could come as soon as early September, a senior White House official familiar with the FDA approval process told ABC News.
Dr. Anthony Fauci called that moment a "game-changer," one that will possibly provide more legal cover for companies to implement vaccine imperatives.
"'My body, my choice' is not an ethic for a plague," Caplan said. "The ethics of plague are, 'my body, vaccinated' -- more choices for everybody."
Experts expect the mRNA vaccines to come out of EUA around September 6th and I expect the gloves will come off around then. This is just the warm up period, preheating until the fire is turned up, FREEDUMB!
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After months of vaccine incentives, nation changes course
Life may be about to get tougher for the unvaccinated -- and it's not only because of their significantly increased risk of getting COVID-19 and becoming very sick.
A rising chorus of states, cities and private sector titans have implemented new vaccine requirements for their employees and patrons. It marks a new, less negotiable phase in the fight against the coronavirus, after months of cajoling and material goodies leading the vaccination campaign.
MORE: COVID-19 live updates: Only 2 states don't have high or substantial community transmission
The new incentives aren't financial. They draw motivation from immediate and tangible fears: of losing time to go get tested, losing a job, losing money or missing out on social events, as well as the ever more apparent pain of the pandemic hitting home through loss of life and loved ones. More than 97% of hospitalized COVID-19 patients in the country are unvaccinated, according to the White House COVID-19 Task Force.
Now, after months of vaccine rates tapering off, vaccination rates are heading back up with the recent surge of serious illness. On Thursday alone, the U.S. saw its highest vaccination numbers in over a month -- 585,000 new vaccinations in a single day, the White House COVID-19 data director announced. Some of the most dramatic upticks in recent vaccinations have been in states with the highest surges in new cases and hospitalizations and some of the lowest vaccination rates.
"Watching more people dying in the ICU, kids getting sick? Yes, that motivates," said Dr. Arthur Caplan, professor of bioethics and the founding head of New York University School of Medicine's medical ethics division. "Free beer, fishing license, free marijuana, college tuition didn't move many people to get vaccinated."
Unvaccinated Americans must now weigh their own personal risk-benefit ratio: Take the vaccine or face restrictions.
"The carrots do not work much," Caplan said. "Now, we're seeing more pressure coming from the other side."
MORE: Why some states are pushing back on masks amid delta variant surge
That pressure is coming in the form of federal, state and local vaccine requirements.
Requirements that government employees get vaccinated or face regular testing, social distancing and masks were accompanied by a slew of major companies like Google, Facebook, Tyson Foods and Disney, which is the parent company of ABC News, now requiring the vaccine for their employees.
"I think we've taken significant steps to make it difficult to come back to work, or more difficult to come back to work, if you're not vaccinated," White House Coronavirus Response Coordinator Jeff Zients said.
The Biden administration has made clear there will be no federal mandate; but its recent lean-in to vaccine requirements marks a shift in tone, going from from removing barriers to getting the vaccine to making it harder to move about "normal" life for those who choose not to get it.
"There's a bit of a hassle factor that plays into whether or not people are willing to get an exemption," Julie Morita, executive vice president of the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, told ABC. "And if it's too difficult or more challenging, people might opt just to get vaccinated."
As the NFL season gets into gear, the league informed clubs that it would not extend the season to accommodate a COVID-19 outbreak among unvaccinated players that leads to a game cancellation, the NFL Network reported, a stark turn from the season prior, when the league flexed the schedule to avoid missed games amid outbreaks. Additionally, players on both teams would forfeit pay for the lost contest, and the team responsible for the cancellation brought on by unvaccinated players would cover the financial losses and face potential disciplinary action.
Caplan suggests framing vaccination as the more appealing choice; opting out will make life harder.
New York is the first city in the country that will require proof of at least one dose of vaccination for some of the main modes of basic leisure -- dining out inside, indoor entertainment and working out at the gym. All state employees will be required to get vaccinated or get tested weekly beginning Labor Day.
Major privately run hospitals in New York will impose a similar vaccine requirement. In internal emails obtained by ABC News, New York Presbyterian and Mount Sinai both notified staff that beginning in September, workers must show proof of vaccination or undergo weekly testing. State-run, patient-facing hospital workers will have no testing option.
MORE: Biden's new vaccine requirement meets pushback from unions who helped elect him
"Please note that compliance -- either by vaccination or exemption -- will be required for your continued employment," New York Presbyterian's hospital president and vice president said in a letter to staff. "We want all of our team members to continue working with us, but we have to balance that with the imperative to protect our patients, employees and communities."
The move earned protest from the largest health care union in the U.S. Members of the 1199SEIU United Healthcare Workers East said they shouldn't have to be vaccinated to keep their jobs -- especially if it risks losing front-line health workers at a time they're most needed. That mirrored some national unions' concerns about protecting individual freedoms -- and not forcing their workers to pay for government-enforced testing.
Experts note there's a fine line between requirements being "part of what's going to nudge more people to get vaccinated," as Surgeon General Vivek Murthy told ABC's Start Here podcast, and pushing them away.
A full federal mandate might make hesitant and unvaccinated Americans "dig in their heels" further, Morita said.
"Generally, with mandates of any kind, you want to do everything else possible before you mandate something," she said. "But when the vaccine is free, it's accessible, and you're still struggling, then mandates make sense. But you really want to give people the chance to do it on their own."
MORE: Are COVID vaccinations covered under HIPAA?
The advent of more local mandates looms on the imminent horizon as soon as the vaccine is fully FDA-approved, which could come as soon as early September, a senior White House official familiar with the FDA approval process told ABC News.
Dr. Anthony Fauci called that moment a "game-changer," one that will possibly provide more legal cover for companies to implement vaccine imperatives.
"'My body, my choice' is not an ethic for a plague," Caplan said. "The ethics of plague are, 'my body, vaccinated' -- more choices for everybody."
DIY-HP-LED
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For political purposes, once someone is vaccinated they sorta join the vaccine tribe and as the tribe grows in number their tolerance of the unvaxxed will diminish. If it wasn't for the delta variant filling hospitals, overwhelming exhausted healthcare workers, the safety of children and the innocent vulnerable, nobody vaxxed would give a fuck about the unvaxxed in America at this point. A Venn diagram of the unvaxxed and anti maskers would almost make a perfect circle.
At this point over 60% of Americans have had one shot at least and I expect with mandates from healthcare insurance companies and employers that rate might top 85% of eligible people vaxxed by the end of fall, others will have some form of natural immunity from a previous infection. In Canada I expect we will approach 90% without too many employer mandates, government healthcare providers can't mandate vaccines like private American insurance companies can, they won't pay for stupidity any longer than they have to, stupidity will be a preexisting condition for covid coverage in the near future.
At this point over 60% of Americans have had one shot at least and I expect with mandates from healthcare insurance companies and employers that rate might top 85% of eligible people vaxxed by the end of fall, others will have some form of natural immunity from a previous infection. In Canada I expect we will approach 90% without too many employer mandates, government healthcare providers can't mandate vaccines like private American insurance companies can, they won't pay for stupidity any longer than they have to, stupidity will be a preexisting condition for covid coverage in the near future.
hey! i have an idea! let's let Trump be president again on 8/13..it could work.
but that was their first idea, before we had a vaccine. congress was calling for letting the elderly die- they were A-okay with it.
this was just over a year ago how quickly they forget.
DIY-HP-LED
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Black people are among the hesitant, but persuadable groups and the number being vaccinated is increasing. For some Trumpers this was a form of biological warfare against minorities who were getting hammered with covid. Now the monster has turned on them with delta and since their heads are filled with bullshit on vaccines and masks, the only two things that can protect them, they are gonna suffer bigly.
I guess Trump country will need something to take it's mind off the 1/6 select committee, Donald's coup and his legal troubles, not to mention the daily outrages committed by Biden! All politics is local they say and the local TV news is gonna be dire in the heart of Trump land as reality and covid come crashing in.
This is typical of low vaxxed red states mostly in the south.
Houston hospital says 'if you're not on death's door,' you'll likely have to wait for a room
COVID SURGE: The Harris Health System said LBJ Hospital's ER is so full with ill patients that ambulances are being diverted.
Houston hospital says 'if you're not on death's door,' you'll likely have to wait for a room
Do you think this bullshit could backfire on DeSantis?
segregation will be the answer. i still remember signs in windows from the 60s saying No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service apparently you could do these things long ago and had to be told when law changed. hygiene purposes i believe so are we calling the hillbilly dirty?
i've heard some advertisement around here about 'clean' stores and gyms which are going to require some proof of vaccine or you don't get in.
Budzbuddha
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THIS ….
Don’t want the COVID-19 vaccine? Then pay the full cost if you land in the hospital
( Dumbfucks in the wild )
Much of the argument about lockdowns and mask mandates boils down to disagreements about the level of risk that’s appropriate to impose on others and how much should be left to individuals to decide.
But now that vaccines are easy to obtain (and have always been free to the recipients), the calculations have shifted. Those who choose to remain unvaccinated no longer pose a serious threat to the vaccinated – but they’re still imposing a cost. Hospitalizations for COVID are almost entirely confined to those who are not vaccinated, often at the cost of tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Who should bear those costs? Under our system of risk-sharing, it’s all of us, whether through government programs like Medicare and Medicaid or through private insurers. When someone who refuses to get the vaccine gets seriously ill, their bills currently are paid by taxpayers or others in their insurance group.
But why should the vaccinated bear those financial costs? Insurers, led by government programs, should declare that medically-able, eligible people who choose not to be vaccinated are responsible for the full financial cost of COVID-related hospitalizations, effective in six weeks.
That gives time for the unvaccinated to make a choice, based on their personal preferences and a truer sense of responsibility. Those who continue to believe that COVID is no more than a cold, or that the pandemic is a sophisticated fraud, or that sheep parasite medicine is more effective than vaccines with shockingly good efficacy, can put their money where their mouths (and keyboards) are.
One of the fundamental lessons of economics is that people respond to incentives – just witness the success of vaccine lotteries at encouraging vaccinations. But a policy of letting the unvaccinated foot the bill for their COVID-related hospitalizations is only partly about wielding a financial stick to push reluctant people into vaccination. It’s also about not expecting others to pay for your decisions. Standing up for your beliefs means being willing to bear the consequences. Otherwise, it’s just cheap talk.
The most common objection to this policy is a slippery slope argument: what if the insurers stop covering the health outcomes of other lifestyle-driven diseases, like cirrhosis or Type 2 diabetes? Or not covering health costs for those who are unbelted in auto accidents?
Health insurers already do charge more to people who smoke and are permitted in many states to exclude coverage when injuries arise from illegal acts or under the influence of drugs – including alcohol. And a full debate about whether people should be charged more when engaging in certain activities is not unreasonable if the costs of these kinds of choices are going to be spread to everyone.
But more importantly, there is a direct and clear connection between vaccination and the likelihood of serious complications from COVID, unlike the decades-long development, mediated by genetics, between many health behaviors and serious illness. A more apt comparison would be if a safe single-shot cure for Type 2 diabetes was developed. The rest of us would be justified in refusing to cover the costs of complications for diabetes for anyone who refused to take the cure.
Those of us who are vaccinated did the responsible thing. It’s time for the unvaccinated to live up to the ideals of individual freedom and personal responsibility by taking on more of the consequences of their actions. Some are nervous about the possible risks of a vaccine and are waiting – but they should bear not only the health but also the financial risks of their hesitancy.
Bottom Line :
The complaint that lockdowns and mandates infantilize the population is reasonable. We should be able to make choices about our levels of risk tolerance. And every aspect of life comes with risks. But we don’t get to impose serious costs on others, and expecting others to pay is not only puerile but makes hard mandates more likely.
Don’t want the COVID-19 vaccine? Then pay the full cost if you land in the hospital
( Dumbfucks in the wild )
Much of the argument about lockdowns and mask mandates boils down to disagreements about the level of risk that’s appropriate to impose on others and how much should be left to individuals to decide.
But now that vaccines are easy to obtain (and have always been free to the recipients), the calculations have shifted. Those who choose to remain unvaccinated no longer pose a serious threat to the vaccinated – but they’re still imposing a cost. Hospitalizations for COVID are almost entirely confined to those who are not vaccinated, often at the cost of tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Who should bear those costs? Under our system of risk-sharing, it’s all of us, whether through government programs like Medicare and Medicaid or through private insurers. When someone who refuses to get the vaccine gets seriously ill, their bills currently are paid by taxpayers or others in their insurance group.
But why should the vaccinated bear those financial costs? Insurers, led by government programs, should declare that medically-able, eligible people who choose not to be vaccinated are responsible for the full financial cost of COVID-related hospitalizations, effective in six weeks.
That gives time for the unvaccinated to make a choice, based on their personal preferences and a truer sense of responsibility. Those who continue to believe that COVID is no more than a cold, or that the pandemic is a sophisticated fraud, or that sheep parasite medicine is more effective than vaccines with shockingly good efficacy, can put their money where their mouths (and keyboards) are.
One of the fundamental lessons of economics is that people respond to incentives – just witness the success of vaccine lotteries at encouraging vaccinations. But a policy of letting the unvaccinated foot the bill for their COVID-related hospitalizations is only partly about wielding a financial stick to push reluctant people into vaccination. It’s also about not expecting others to pay for your decisions. Standing up for your beliefs means being willing to bear the consequences. Otherwise, it’s just cheap talk.
The most common objection to this policy is a slippery slope argument: what if the insurers stop covering the health outcomes of other lifestyle-driven diseases, like cirrhosis or Type 2 diabetes? Or not covering health costs for those who are unbelted in auto accidents?
Health insurers already do charge more to people who smoke and are permitted in many states to exclude coverage when injuries arise from illegal acts or under the influence of drugs – including alcohol. And a full debate about whether people should be charged more when engaging in certain activities is not unreasonable if the costs of these kinds of choices are going to be spread to everyone.
But more importantly, there is a direct and clear connection between vaccination and the likelihood of serious complications from COVID, unlike the decades-long development, mediated by genetics, between many health behaviors and serious illness. A more apt comparison would be if a safe single-shot cure for Type 2 diabetes was developed. The rest of us would be justified in refusing to cover the costs of complications for diabetes for anyone who refused to take the cure.
Those of us who are vaccinated did the responsible thing. It’s time for the unvaccinated to live up to the ideals of individual freedom and personal responsibility by taking on more of the consequences of their actions. Some are nervous about the possible risks of a vaccine and are waiting – but they should bear not only the health but also the financial risks of their hesitancy.
Bottom Line :
The complaint that lockdowns and mandates infantilize the population is reasonable. We should be able to make choices about our levels of risk tolerance. And every aspect of life comes with risks. But we don’t get to impose serious costs on others, and expecting others to pay is not only puerile but makes hard mandates more likely.
printer
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We had about 30% of our ICU patients shipped out of province to other hospitals because we did not have enough ICU nurses. Double shifts, we had a nurse taking care of three patients at the time. We had the equipment and made room but we just did not have the people, the people we had are real responsible people and put aside their lives but there is only so long you can do it. We had some patients not the level of care between here and where they were shipped out of province. They said they had not much bad to say of the nurses here, just the nurse was there for them 24/7 out of province. I do blame our politicians for this, they just went through a 'streamlining' of the medical system here. Brought in experts from out of province to tell them where to cut. From the same provinces we sent our excess patients to. Go figure.
Budzbuddha
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i suggested a sign on ER door. No Shot; No Service..all these people are doing is taking resources; remember just like the old people when there was no vaccine?..government (MAGA) was suggesting saving the resources for younger individuals.
they just need to go home, get in bed and wait- Delta is quick and make sure you leave any arrangements you made prior in a place where ME can find it when they come to pick you up.
printer
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Your insurance will go up because of these people. Short of the operating room ab ICU is the most expensive square footage in a hospital.
DIY-HP-LED
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The average age of a foxnews viewer is well over 60 and this must be fucking many of them over real good. Since most of their viewers are seniors, 73% of their viewers are vaccinated or say they will be, in a way they've joined the vaxxed tribe, it is now the unvaxxed who are the "other", the very real minority threat, not a mythical one. Foxnews needs to tread carefully with their vaccine messaging, or they might take a hit with their ratings.
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Fox New viewers are getting less skeptical of the vaccine after network’s round of PSAs, poll finds
More Fox News viewers than ever are willing to receive the Covid vaccine, following a concerted push from the network to encourage its conservative, often vaccine-sceptical audience to get the jab, according to a new poll.
Among the millions who watch the network each day, 27 per cent told pollsters from Morning Consult they “probably or definitely won’t get vaccinated,” down from a high of 37 per cent in Match.
Though many of its most high-profile hosts like Tucker Carlson and Jeanine Pirro continue to promote scepticism or outright lies about the vaccine, the network has tried to convince people to get vaccinated, a difficult task when the pandemic has been politicised and many right-wing leaders have railed against life-saving public health measures as violations of freedom.
The network rolled out a pro-vaccine PSA in February urging viewers to “keep up the fight” against the virus, and another in July, and some of its top personalities have thrown their weight behind the treatment publicly.
"If you have the chance, get the shot, it will save your life," Fox and Friends host Steve Doocy said during one segment, where he sought to debunk misinformation about the vaccine. “The disinformation is online: the vaccine is killing lots and lots of people or it changes your DNA or there are little microchips. None of that is true,” he added.
(He’s right: the Morning Consult poll that people who got their information via social media had even higher hesitancy, particularly on Snapchat, where more than a third said they wouldn’t get the vaccine.)
Bret Baier, the chief political anchor of Fox News, has posted about how he was “grateful” for the vaccine on social media, while the network even hosted a special primetime event aimed at debunking conspiracies about the jab.
Still, some of the network’s most popular hosts have worked in the opposite direction, telling Fox News’ audience of vulnerable senior citizens to doubt the vaccine.
Tucker Carlson, the highest rated Fox News host, who has not publicly disclosed whether he has been vaccinated, said the Biden administration wants to "force people to take medicine they don’t want or need,” and called a door-to-door vaccination drive “the greatest scandal in my lifetime, by far.” Jeanine Pirro, meanwhile, said the effort was secretly “about confiscating your gun.”
A Media Matters analysis of the network’s coverage regarding the vaccine found that between 28 June and 11 July, the network aired 129 segments about the shot. Of those segments, 57 per cent included claims that either "undermined or downplayed immunisation efforts.”
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Fox New viewers are getting less skeptical of the vaccine after network’s round of PSAs, poll finds
People who got their news from social media were even less likely to want the jab
Fox New viewers are getting less skeptical of the vaccine after network’s round of PSAs, poll finds
More Fox News viewers than ever are willing to receive the Covid vaccine, following a concerted push from the network to encourage its conservative, often vaccine-sceptical audience to get the jab, according to a new poll.
Among the millions who watch the network each day, 27 per cent told pollsters from Morning Consult they “probably or definitely won’t get vaccinated,” down from a high of 37 per cent in Match.
Though many of its most high-profile hosts like Tucker Carlson and Jeanine Pirro continue to promote scepticism or outright lies about the vaccine, the network has tried to convince people to get vaccinated, a difficult task when the pandemic has been politicised and many right-wing leaders have railed against life-saving public health measures as violations of freedom.
The network rolled out a pro-vaccine PSA in February urging viewers to “keep up the fight” against the virus, and another in July, and some of its top personalities have thrown their weight behind the treatment publicly.
"If you have the chance, get the shot, it will save your life," Fox and Friends host Steve Doocy said during one segment, where he sought to debunk misinformation about the vaccine. “The disinformation is online: the vaccine is killing lots and lots of people or it changes your DNA or there are little microchips. None of that is true,” he added.
(He’s right: the Morning Consult poll that people who got their information via social media had even higher hesitancy, particularly on Snapchat, where more than a third said they wouldn’t get the vaccine.)
Bret Baier, the chief political anchor of Fox News, has posted about how he was “grateful” for the vaccine on social media, while the network even hosted a special primetime event aimed at debunking conspiracies about the jab.
Still, some of the network’s most popular hosts have worked in the opposite direction, telling Fox News’ audience of vulnerable senior citizens to doubt the vaccine.
Tucker Carlson, the highest rated Fox News host, who has not publicly disclosed whether he has been vaccinated, said the Biden administration wants to "force people to take medicine they don’t want or need,” and called a door-to-door vaccination drive “the greatest scandal in my lifetime, by far.” Jeanine Pirro, meanwhile, said the effort was secretly “about confiscating your gun.”
A Media Matters analysis of the network’s coverage regarding the vaccine found that between 28 June and 11 July, the network aired 129 segments about the shot. Of those segments, 57 per cent included claims that either "undermined or downplayed immunisation efforts.”
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the guy who's sign says 'MSG and Foo Fighters' are to blame was pretty funny.
that's why the sign on the ER door would be perfect; they're self deporting back home.
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