Never used Big Bloom but Im my experience Tiger Bloom will put the straight burn on some nice plants. A lot of strains I grow are nitrogen sensitive and I have to completely cut them off of it later in flower. Im using an organic line now but I found the GH Flora series to work very well for me. You dont need as much as the bottles say but thats true for any fertilizer. Start with very low doses and see what works from there. Atleast with Gh you can keep the nitrogen separated. Just my two cents
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PadawanWarrior
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He can't be reading that right. The Bud and Bloom is the Flower Girl. But it's 3-9-4. I don't know how he has 1-2-1 Bud and Bloom. That's not even a flower formula.
ErichtheDread
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Thanks brother. Any knowledge is greatly appreciated
GreatWhiteNorthGrows
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Some of the reading explained it as such: the organisms goal is to eat, poop, and die, if you introduce too much food, the microbes will just eat and eat until your microbial count plummets and you have lower microbial counts than before giving the large influx of carbs.Super thrive will also be ok. Just a note don’t go too heavy on the molasses or the microbes & bacteria will go dormant. Smaller amounts are actually more beneficial and will boost the activity as I have discovered first hand in my research and trials with fermentsI would recommend no more that 1TBSP/gal of unsulfered blackstrap molasses
Assessing the individual microbial inhibitory capacity of different sugars against pathogens commonly found in food systems - PubMed
Highly concentrated sugar solutions are known to be effective antimicrobial agents. However, it is unknown whether this effect is solely the result of the collective osmotic effect imparted by a mixture of sugars or whether the type of carbohydrate used also has an individual chemical effect on...pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
PadawanWarrior
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No. You just have to keep them fed.
GreatWhiteNorthGrows
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I just liked the thought, it made me giggle, bro science is everywhere, but as with everything overdoing anything is never good.
Ive read a few places online that adding molasses to a grow is pointless if you use synthetics? Something about the salts as a byproduct killing off the microbes. Just wanted a second opinion on that. Ive used copious amounts of it with synthetics, about 3 tablespoons per gallon in late flowering, and certainly never had any problems
Dreminen169
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You could add 5TBSP/gal if you want. It’s Just pointless and counterproductive as your making the microbes go dormant…
Dreminen169
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Also you are correct about the synthetics killing off the microbes over time which is why more frequent inoculations are beneficial if using salts
Thanks for clearing that up.Im using the BioBizz line now, first organic grow, so Ive laid off using it since half of this stuff is probably molasses anyway
GreatWhiteNorthGrows
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Appreciate your knowledge on adding molasses Dreminen, I have just started using it again so have been reading (possibly not the best information I'm sure) on this, so this has helped a lot.
Wastei
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Molasses won't do anything that regular sugars can already do. I've used both in teas with no real difference TBH. Thinking molasses would do any difference in terms of yield, quality and potency is pretty laughable. There's enough decaying organic matter and carbohydrates in any medium in containers for microbes to flourish IMO.
Sugars should be used in a controlled manner so they're being used without destroying the structural integrity of the soil IMO. There's tons of people on here overdoing it causing pH to drop to low. Do whatever floats your boat but I think it's better to follow advices supported by science instead of just bro science practices. Cheers!
Sugars should be used in a controlled manner so they're being used without destroying the structural integrity of the soil IMO. There's tons of people on here overdoing it causing pH to drop to low. Do whatever floats your boat but I think it's better to follow advices supported by science instead of just bro science practices. Cheers!
Well what would be a good sugar substitute for molasses? Please fill me in. I like learning something new. I always used it because it was said to give the buds a sweeter finish but Im sure thats more of a genetic thing by and large
Wastei
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I like using very low dose fish emulsion in containers for the added organic sulfurs and aminos, it also contains carbohydrates for the microbes. I do maybe 1/10th of the suggested lowest dosage.
Sugars are not really needed other than in small amounts for the microbes to flourish, that may even come from the medium itself(peat, coir etc).
Like @Dreminen169 suggested it's often a better practice to multiply and add microbes with a salt based nutrient with something like EWC/microbe teas. You multiply in a solution and later feed the medium if that makes sense.
With organics you only need to inoculate with mykos at transplant. But microbe teas help to keep the soil alive.
Dreminen169
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What wastei is saying is that he doesn’t feel the need & he’s correct in saying that too much can also cause your medium to turn south by killing it’s structural integrity as well as dropping the pH. I don’t use molasses at all either because all my ferments have brown sugar in them to feed the microbes. However it just depends on the way you grow.
If I am starting out in an amended soil I will inoculate and then add small amounts of molasses (or brown sugar as a substitute) every so often to extend the life of the microbes and to reduce my inoculation frequency. However I could probably get by without any added sugar due to the fact that I love using Humic acid & Humic’s are also a food source for the microbes
GreatWhiteNorthGrows
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You guys have really provided some solid knowledge on soil microbes and adding carbs, this is a huge help. I guess I need to get some amendments or brew a tea here and there to inoculate and only add a tiny amount of carbs or get some humic acid as I certainly use synthetics.
Dreminen169
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I like to Inoculate with as much diversity as possible mykos included however I also love Trichoderma Reesei, fish shit, & multiple kinds of beneficial bacteria
Kerowacked
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Tiger Bloom is used as a supplement for Big Bloom, if you can only get one its Big Bloom.
Edit: my mistake, Big Bloom is the supplement for Grow Big and Tiger Bloom. I use the trio at half strength in a ff mix of Happy Frog, Ocean Forest, peat and perlite.
Edit: my mistake, Big Bloom is the supplement for Grow Big and Tiger Bloom. I use the trio at half strength in a ff mix of Happy Frog, Ocean Forest, peat and perlite.
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Dreminen169
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Completely disagree big bloom on its own will not get you through flower, however tiger bloom on its own will
I can tell you landrace sativas hate it but my friend uses it as a stand alone for his hybrids and CBD strains with good results