Police Interactions.

CatHedral

CatHedral

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mooray said:
A major problem with the few like chauvin, are the many that are silent. As they say...if there are any bad ones, how can there be any good ones?

Anyway, the back and forth about how to deal with the symptoms of a sick society are mostly pointless, because none of them really address anything. Police have high rates of suicide, alcoholism, domestic abuse, on and on, and all that shit doesn't come from awesome days on the job interacting with great people.
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I imagine the psychological burden on cops would go way down if they didn’t feel bound to be loyal to corrupt bosses and colleagues “ or else”. Maybe I just hope it. Reducing strain on cops benefits all of us.
 
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mooray

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CatHedral said:
I imagine the psychological burden on cops would go way down if they didn’t feel bound to be loyal to corrupt bosses and colleagues “ or else”. Maybe I just hope it. Reducing strain on cops benefits all of us.
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I'm sure it would a little, but I doubt it would go way down. I think a large psychological burden is the conscious and subconscious burden of projection, where I protect myself from my mistakes by protecting you from your mistakes, and if I don't protect you, then there's no one to protect me. It's tough to pen-to-paper your way out of hard coded self-preservation human nature, but I totally agree with your thoughts on having cameras everywhere. It won't do much for the hidden or ambiguous moments when there's an opportunity to protect each other, but raising the level of awareness/consciousness is always great.

Still, all these problems arise from performing a difficult and stressful job and nothing we're talking about addresses that. All this stuff actually makes the job more stressful and not to imply that it's wrong, quite the opposite, just that when you have lots of symptoms from a stressful job and you add to the stress, what kind of results can you really expect.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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CatHedral said:
I imagine the psychological burden on cops would go way down if they didn’t feel bound to be loyal to corrupt bosses and colleagues “ or else”. Maybe I just hope it. Reducing strain on cops benefits all of us.
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I imagine the psychological burden put on the majority of cops who aren't "dirty cocksuckers" when they look the other way as a dirty cop does what dirty cops do. It's a major reason why I'm dubious about keeping the current system intact with a gob smacking layer surveillance on top.

One thing that almost all cops observe, good and bad, is the blue code of silence. That gangster mentality, I believe, is the major source of corruption in law enforcement.
 
CatHedral

CatHedral

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Fogdog said:
I imagine the psychological burden put on the majority of cops who aren't "dirty cocksuckers" when they look the other way as a dirty cop does what dirty cops do. It's a major reason why I'm dubious about keeping the current system intact with a gob smacking layer surveillance on top.

One thing that almost all cops observe, good and bad, is the blue code of silence. That gangster mentality, I believe, is the major source of corruption in law enforcement.
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Nailed it.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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RobCat said:
And when YOU and YOUR family are personally inconvenienced by crime and the remaining "gunslingers" can no longer get to you? Yeah theres rotten police that need disposing of but most would never do what Chauvin did. I can think of a lot of cop killing thugs that need to be dealt with too. Like ive said all along the only people that hate cops as a whole are the ones that never needed them to begin with. Sheltered urban white pissants that never had to live in bad areas. Never been robbed. Never had a Saint Floyd enthusiast bust in their house and rob their pregnant wife at gunpoint. But I must say gentleman. Were going on the right track as far as im concerned. Im loving that all the police are leaving Chicago. New York. Seattle. It will be a lab for human idiocy. Theres too many snowflakes in this country that make a bed they never sleep in and its time for a rude awakening. If you need an assault kit im sure amazon will assist you
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So, if the hammer we hold doesn't do the job, get a bigger hammer.

Right.
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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RobCat said:
And when YOU and YOUR family are personally inconvenienced by crime and the remaining "gunslingers" can no longer get to you? Yeah theres rotten police that need disposing of but most would never do what Chauvin did. I can think of a lot of cop killing thugs that need to be dealt with too. Like ive said all along the only people that hate cops as a whole are the ones that never needed them to begin with. Sheltered urban white pissants that never had to live in bad areas. Never been robbed. Never had a Saint Floyd enthusiast bust in their house and rob their pregnant wife at gunpoint. But I must say gentleman. Were going on the right track as far as im concerned. Im loving that all the police are leaving Chicago. New York. Seattle. It will be a lab for human idiocy. Theres too many snowflakes in this country that make a bed they never sleep in and its time for a rude awakening. If you need an assault kit im sure amazon will assist you
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What is it with you idiots parroting right wing lies all the time?

https://www.rollitup.org/t/police-interactions.994222/post-16476319
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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mooray said:
I'm sure it would a little, but I doubt it would go way down. I think a large psychological burden is the conscious and subconscious burden of projection, where I protect myself from my mistakes by protecting you from your mistakes, and if I don't protect you, then there's no one to protect me. It's tough to pen-to-paper your way out of hard coded self-preservation human nature, but I totally agree with your thoughts on having cameras everywhere. It won't do much for the hidden or ambiguous moments when there's an opportunity to protect each other, but raising the level of awareness/consciousness is always great.

Still, all these problems arise from performing a difficult and stressful job and nothing we're talking about addresses that. All this stuff actually makes the job more stressful and not to imply that it's wrong, quite the opposite, just that when you have lots of symptoms from a stressful job and you add to the stress, what kind of results can you really expect.
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That is why that our police need to also use current tech to help them do their jobs better in real time with more eyes on the situation in real time and the ability to communicate with people watching what is going on to help them make better decisions before things turn to shit.
TheCropMan said:
I'm white been to prison couple of times.... Been robbed..... Live in a shit hole
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So?

Does that mean that other sock puppet spreading lies about Floyd and guns to pregnant women that was bullshit?
 
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mooray

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hanimmal said:
That is why that our police need to also use current tech to help them do their jobs better in real time with more eyes on the situation in real time and the ability to communicate with people watching what is going on to help them make better decisions before things turn to shit.
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That would be great, but of course that adds procedure, labor, money, oversight, refinement, etc. People complain all the time about expense and how many different angles were taxed(shut up, Rob!) and they're not entirely wrong. When you take the thirty thousand foot view, something that becomes apparent is that it's becoming more and more difficult to afford our own awfulness. At some point you have to stop spending money on body armor and start spending money on ways to not need it in the first place. We're just chasing our tail with all the time and money being spent on treating symptoms.
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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mooray said:
That would be great, but of course that adds procedure, labor, money, oversight, refinement, etc. People complain all the time about expense and how many different angles were taxed(shut up, Rob!) and they're not entirely wrong. When you take the thirty thousand foot view, something that becomes apparent is that it's becoming more and more difficult to afford our own awfulness. At some point you have to stop spending money on body armor and start spending money on ways to not need it in the first place. We're just chasing our tail with all the time and money being spent on treating symptoms.
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Sounds like a great jobs program to me.
 
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mooray

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hanimmal said:
Sounds like a great jobs program to me.
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Or just a jobs/education program and then we don't need to keep trying to find a better magnifying glass. It's like gun stuff, as if there's some magic combination of hardware that stops people from murdering each other and it's somehow eluded us for hundreds of years. It hasn't worked becuase there is no combination. But if we wanted to continue with the exact same problems while giving the appearance of fixing things without actually doing so, then we keep arguing over the shape of a pistol grip.
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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mooray said:
Or just a jobs/education program and then we don't need to keep trying to find a better magnifying glass. It's like gun stuff, as if there's some magic combination of hardware that stops people from murdering each other and it's somehow eluded us for hundreds of years. It hasn't worked becuase there is no combination. But if we wanted to continue with the exact same problems while giving the appearance of fixing things without actually doing so, then we keep arguing over the shape of a pistol grip.
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You don't see how say following a fleeing car with a drone instead of a police car would be far safer and save a lot of lives/money in the long run?

Or having a cop with someone at home base in their ear alerting them to the situation and helping them strategize to how best handle it prior to engaging might do the same?
 
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