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Gryphonn

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Where did this come from Nvr3Stond?

I'm sure I could find some modern studies to counter some of these arguments. One is that cannabis is an airway dilater (I think that's the correct term). Is this from a govt drug awareness site, or the Daily Telegraph? I seem to recall reading this somewhere earlier in the year...

In respect to tobacco, we use Winfield Gold rolling tobacco in our mix. We don't generally smoke tobacco by itself though.

Smoking pure marijuana is at least as harmful to lungs as smoking tobacco, a report from the British Lung Foundation concludes. And in some key ways, it may be more dangerous.

For example, the BLF's review of previous research highlights that just three marijuana joints a day causes the same damage to the lung's airways as 20 cigarettes, mainly because of the way joints are smoked.

Individually, cannabis and tobacco produce the same constituents and quantities of chemicals known to be toxic to respiratory tissue, other than nicotine, the report says. But when cannabis and tobacco are smoked together, the health effects are worse.

A key finding highlighted by the review of 90 published papers is that the amount of smoke taken into the lungs is two thirds larger if cannabis is being smoked. The smoke is also taken one third deeper into the lungs - and that smoke is held an average of four times longer before being exhaled.

"You inhale deeper and hold your breath with the smoke for longer before exhaling. This results in more poisonous carbon monoxide and tar entering into the lungs," says Helena Shovelton, BLF's chief executive.

Other points in the report include:

• Tar from cannabis cigarettes contains up to 50 per cent higher concentrations of carcinogens benzathracenes and benzpyrenes than tobacco smoke

• THC, the primary psychoactive ingredient of cannabis, decreases the function of immune system cells that help protect the lungs from infection

• The average cannabis cigarette smoked in the 1960s contained about 10 milligrams of tetrahydrocanabinol (THC), the primary psychoactive ingredient. Today, it may contain 150 mg.

"This means that the modern cannabis smoker may be exposed to greater doses of THC than in the 1960s or 1970s," says the report. "This in turn means that studies investigating the long-term effects of smoking cannabis have to be interpreted cautiously."
 

Nvr2Stond

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Where did this come from Nvr3Stond?

I'm sure I could find some modern studies to counter some of these arguments. One is that cannabis is an airway dilater (I think that's the correct term). Is this from a govt drug awareness site, or the Daily Telegraph? I seem to recall reading this somewhere earlier in the year...

In respect to tobacco, we use Winfield Gold rolling tobacco in our mix. We don't generally smoke tobacco by itself though.
Here is the link

Cannabis smoking 'more harmful' than tobacco - 11 November 2002 - New Scientist
 

Gryphonn

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Yep, I remember. There have been study reports that tend to debunk this though. :-?

Some of these are obviously from pro-cannabis sites as opposed to 'neutral' sites:

Donald Tashkins research should be looked at.

Myths and Facts About Marijuana

NORML.ORG US: Web: Study: Smoking Marijuana Does Not Cause Lung Cancer

Marijuana and Lung Cancer: Another Marijuana Myth Goes Up in Smoke by Paul Armentano

A quote from the above article:
"While the investigators’ failure to demonstrate a positive association between cannabis use and cancer may seem surprising to some, the bottom line is that scientists overseas have been studying pot’s potential anti-cancer properties for nearly a decade. Most recently, investigators at Italy's Instuto di Chemica Biomolecolare reported in the May issue of the Journal of Pharmacology and Experimental Therapeutics that compounds in marijuana inhibit cancer cell growth in animals and in culture on a wide range of tumor cell lines, including human breast carcinoma cells, human prostate carcinoma cells, and human colectoral carcinoma cells."

This is a Fox News report on the above:
FOXNews.com - Marijuana Does Not Raise Lung Cancer Risk - Health News | Current Health News | Medical News

However, Cancer Research UK has this to say:

In 2005 a review looked at the results of several studies into marijuana use and cancer risk. The researchers looked at 2 cohort studies and 14 case control studies. The case control studies involved many different types of cancer. Results were mixed and the researchers could not make any firm conclusions about the risk of cancer. It was also difficult to draw conclusions because of limitations in the studies. They included small numbers of people, involved too few heavy marijuana users and possibly underreported marijuana use in those countries where it is illegal.

In 2006 a systematic review looked at marijuana use and lung cancer risk. Although they could not find a significant link between marijuana and cancer, the reviewers reported that smoking marijuana increased tar exposure and caused changes to the lining of the small tubes in the lungs. They recommended that, until we have more definite evidence, doctors should warn people of the possible harmful effects of marijuana smoking.
Further studies are still undecided:

Smoking pot may prime lungs for cancer (ABC News in Science)

From the above link:
Analyses of sputum and lung tissue performed in some of these studies found more cancer-promoting changes in pot smokers than in cigarette smokers or non-smokers.
These changes included oxidative stress, dysfunction of tumour-fighting cells, changes in tissue structure and DNA alterations, the researchers report.
But none of the studies they analysed found evidence that marijuana smoking actually caused lung cancer, after factoring in the effects of tobacco use.
"We must conclude that no convincing evidence exists for an association between marijuana smoking and lung cancer based on existing data," Mehra and her team write.
Finally, this article from COSMOS magazine in 2006 that tries to weigh up the research should confuse us all:

Marijuana: What science has to say | COSMOS magazine

For example:

MARIJUANA USE has also been linked to depression. A 2002 study published in the British Medical Journal by George Patton, of the Centre for Adolescent Health at the University of Melbourne, showed that marijuana use doubled the risk of later depression and anxiety in teenage girls. Other studies, like a 2005 paper in the journal Addictive Behaviours by Thomas Denson at the University of Southern California and Mitch Earleywine of the University of Albany found the opposite: it was entitled "Decreased depression in marijuana users." Wayne Hall agrees that the link between marijuana and depression is even more open to question than that between marijuana and psychosis.
 

thephantompain1990

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camel crushes taste like metal

i smoked camel turkish royals until i quit about 2 weeks ago

djarums are nice every once in a while but get old

manufactured cigs? marlboro reds, lucky strikes (can rarely get either of them in canada though), i usually smoke belmont kingsize.

rolling tobacco? nothing finer. i like drum blue or cheetah, but i've tried old holborn to some extent too. whatever i do, i stay away from players and american spirit!

i used to smoke lucky strike filters but they dont sell them anymore in the u.s.
also drum blue is nice my friend has some and ill smoke it every once and a while
 

peacemane420

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once in a while i enjoy a marlboro smooth. its nice after dinner.... almost like a dessert lol
marlboro milds are perfect!


but i smoke like 3 stoges a month
 

bluewizard

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i'll smoke djarums every once in a while too.. i don't mind players cigarettes, i just don't like their rolling tobacco. i know it's probably the same blend, but different papers and filters and all...

when you guys roll smokes do you still use filters? i get swan filters when i roll.

so many people are ignorant to rolled smokes and they think it's doobs but i can't blame them if they already know me.
 
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