Botrytis or what?

[dakilla187]

Ive had what looks to be botrytis on my outdoor crop more then a month back…I had to cull about 12 plants and have been working with the new clones since…

Since I have been working with the new clones I have been dosing them via foilar application once every 7 days of regalia cg since they were decently young before flower..
To my surprise when I flip over a flower there is lots of brown tinge…

Im at a loss and I just dont know why this is happening? Its been decades and I have never had this happen before, I mean I might get spots of boytris deep in colas but never from early flower etc…

Ive lost so many new cuts all ruined

I thought I moved past this after the culling and treatments

 

[Tracker]

Have you spread open a damaged bud to see what it looks like on the inside? Is there any evidence of bud worms or other bug pests?

Did you apply any sprays to buds? I've messed up buds that way before.

 

[dakilla187]

3-4 months later plants still being culled, I dont know what to do, im ready to purge 10 years of genetics as theres no winning this at this point…

I literally switched soil culled all big plants started from clone and this disease from the depths of hell keeps returning

If you flip a young flowering plant over the bottoms is all tinged with dreaded brown

 

[growslut]

You say you've been having this problem repeatedly and I have heard a scientist say that they have tested the soil and found that the soil itself is contaminated after the plant has botrytis. (don't have the link but think it was on an espisode of Chasing Fire on YouTube). So you might want to replace your soil for your next grow.

I never had any luck fixing fungal issues by spraying. I did finally get rid of systemic wpm using regalia and Southern Ag's GFF as a soil drench, and alternating between the two every 7-10 days. Treat this way from clone through flower.

Good luck!

 

[Turbo50]

Ive had what looks to be botrytis on my outdoor crop more then a month back…I had to cull about 12 plants and have been working with the new clones since…

Since I have been working with the new clones I have been dosing them via foilar application once every 7 days of regalia cg since they were decently young before flower..
To my surprise when I flip over a flower there is lots of brown tinge…

Im at a loss and I just dont know why this is happening? Its been decades and I have never had this happen before, I mean I might get spots of boytris deep in colas but never from early flower etc…

Ive lost so many new cuts all ruined

I thought I moved past this after the culling and treatments

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I'm cutting all the smaller bottom buds off my plants right now just for that....I really need 2 more weeks before chop...but im afraid I'm going to loose everything!

 

[DoubleAtotheRON]

I'm cutting all the smaller bottom buds off my plants right now just for that....I really need 2 more weeks before chop...but im afraid I'm going to loose everything!

Yeah, that’s definitely botrytis.

 

[Cycad]

Myself, I think genetics has a lot to do with this. You say 'outdoor crop'. I lost several outdoor plants this year before I got the greenhouse built. Outdoor is just like any kind of farming, your crop depends on the seasons. And if it happens to be in flower with warmth, showers, and high humidity...
I had a really large cola start with it last week, but I got it so early I was able to cut it out and harvest a little before time.

 

[Turbo50]

Myself, I think genetics has a lot to do with this. You say 'outdoor crop'. I lost several outdoor plants this year before I got the greenhouse built. Outdoor is just like any kind of farming, your crop depends on the seasons. And if it happens to be in flower with warmth, showers, and high humidity...
I had a really large cola start with it last week, but I got it so early I was able to cut it out and harvest a little before time.

Here's some pic's of my tric's last week....If I chop this weekend that will put my plants into 11 and 10 weeks prospectively...I would prefer to wait another full week after this weekend for some more amber to show up....but if I'm going to loose it all might as well chop??????

Is all I'm loosing I'm chopping this weekend just weight? And filled out pretty bud's??? My orange sherberts have some really nice hard bud's on them right now!!!!

I could care less about weight....I just don't want to loose it all

 

[sirtalis]

I found with botrytis that it's better to start chopping early than to lose even more. It's heartbreaking but I'd rather have an unripe harvest than losing 90% and ripe.

 

[Turbo50]

I found with botrytis that it's better to start chopping early than to lose even more. It's heartbreaking but I'd rather have an unripe harvest than losing 90% and ripe.

Why does chopping stop the process? Because the environment changes so much?

 

[sirtalis]

Why does chopping stop the process? Because the environment changes so much?

It doesn't necessarily stop the process. You can get budrot while drying. But bringing the buds into a less humid environment, with fans for circulation and the plants drying removes the environment that mold needs.

 

[Cycad]

Good pics. I'd be happy with that. Bud rot is the worst because it is so damn FAST. I think the spores are everywhere, can't be avoided, if conditions favour it, it'll begin.

 

[Turbo50]

It doesn't necessarily stop the process. You can get budrot while drying. But bringing the buds into a less humid environment, with fans for circulation and the plants drying removes the environment that mold needs.

I knew I was fucked when after over a month with no rain and low humidity....We got 2" of rain and humidity in the 80's and 90% range....Then add night's down in the low 60's.....the perfect storm

 

[Cycad]

I knew I was fucked when after over a month with no rain and low humidity....We got 2" of rain and humidity in the 80's and 90% range....Then add night's down in the low 60's.....the perfect storm

Yeah. You said it. The same here. The monsoon blew through and it was every day showers, sometimes heavy, followed by cool nights and I'd find dew on the plants in the morning. Then the heat begins again and ... bam. "Oh bugger a twisted leaf. Now what is in here..?" (huge chunk of rotten calyx comes away and you see the main stem is rotten all through, even though the colas above it seem pristine.)

 

[Turbo50]

Yeah. You said it. The same here. The monsoon blew through and it was every day showers, sometimes heavy, followed by cool nights and I'd find dew on the plants in the morning. Then the heat begins again and ... bam. "Oh bugger a twisted leaf. Now what is in here..?" (huge chunk of rotten calyx comes away and you see the main stem is rotten all through, even though the colas above it seem pristine.)

It dont seam to be affecting the orange sherbert's at this point...If they can make it till Saturday I'll chop them all...

 

[dakilla187]

I decided to move regalia cg to the side and I ordered some big guns

Decree 50 WDG Fungicide - 2.5 lbs.

Decree Fungicide is the new standard for Botrytis. 12-hour REI allows for Botrytis control in propagation and at retail, while 7-14 Day Residual Control gives growers the best value per application.

www.seedranch.com

In the meantime, I have been spraying og biowar foilar and drench the soil…Also started using daconil….nasty stuffs but no choice at this point, saving genetics is all that matters


i also sprayed my lawn and anything with daconil

I think I might slowly be moving past this plague, I still have some brown pistils on younger plants, if the brown pistils are botrytis I wouldnt know..At this point everything is a disease in my eyes

I also read that you must rotate botrytis treatments

What really sucks is I lost all my new csi cuts I recently found…all gone

 

[sirtalis]

I decided to move regalia cg to the side and I ordered some big guns

Decree 50 WDG Fungicide - 2.5 lbs.

Decree Fungicide is the new standard for Botrytis. 12-hour REI allows for Botrytis control in propagation and at retail, while 7-14 Day Residual Control gives growers the best value per application.

www.seedranch.com

In the meantime, I have been spraying og biowar foilar and drench the soil…Also started using daconil….nasty stuffs but no choice at this point, saving genetics is all that matters


i also sprayed my lawn and anything with daconil

I think I might slowly be moving past this plague, I still have some brown pistils on younger plants, if the brown pistils are botrytis I wouldnt know..At this point everything is a disease in my eyes

I also read that you must rotate botrytis treatments

What really sucks is I lost all my new csi cuts I recently found…all gone

Are you spraying that stuff on flowering plants?

 

[Manidoo]

Once it's obvious that a plant has Boytritis you can assess it and remove the damage but it's all environmental conditions that you have to change. There's no escaping it completely due to the systemic nature of the beast itself..

I have tossed plenty of clone only cultivars over and over due to the nature of each having a propensity to rot out from the inside with little to no clues before that moment when you realize that this flower's garbage and the rest are on the verge as well of developing bud rot.

It's been a rough later half of summer here as well with excessive moisture and rain for extended periods. Dew point is seen just after sunset and everything is generally wet until late morning and into the afternoon for the shade gardens and this is the perfect weather as well for the rest of the pathogens including every mold to take foot upon it's hosts. In other words there's thousands of us dealing with excessive heat and humidity putting stress on the crops and there's few that are not effected by it all somehow..

Best of luck with your fight. Don't forget to shake the hell out of the plants whenever you get a chance during the night and morning hours. Just this alone can make a great difference just like simple canopies placed over the plants at dusk..

 

[Turbo50]

Once it's obvious that a plant has Boytritis you can assess it and remove the damage but it's all environmental conditions that you have to change. There's no escaping it completely due to the systemic nature of the beast itself..

I have tossed plenty of clone only cultivars over and over due to the nature of each having a propensity to rot out from the inside with little to no clues before that moment when you realize that this flower's garbage and the rest are on the verge as well of developing bud rot.

It's been a rough later half of summer here as well with excessive moisture and rain for extended periods. Dew point is seen just after sunset and everything is generally wet until late morning and into the afternoon for the shade gardens and this is the perfect weather as well for the rest of the pathogens including every mold to take foot upon it's hosts. In other words there's thousands of us dealing with excessive heat and humidity putting stress on the crops and there's few that are not effected by it all somehow..

Best of luck with your fight. Don't forget to shake the hell out of the plants whenever you get a chance during the night and morning hours. Just this alone can make a great difference just like simple canopies placed over the plants at dusk..

Lol....Tell me indoor growing is better....fixing to try my first run of that after I work these outdoors off!

 

[dakilla187]

Are you spraying that stuff on flowering plants?

I hope not, im just saving genetics….At these odd times this botrytis is affecting my plants before they are even in flower…

$300 for that decree, $200 for regalia that dont do crap and 20 plants later, Id better be near the finish line, im nearly out of smokes