Pandemic 2020

[mooray]

I mean, it kinda sounds like PJ is saying it's 4x better to be vaccinated than not. I certainly feel better. Thanks for turning things positive for a change.

 

[hanimmal]

LMFAO, do you even read the stuff you post before you post it, or do you just read the headlines?

So that 96% thing you are posting is a poll, not a study, and there were only 301 respondents to that poll.

Meanwhile the study which I posted included an "unusually large sample size (>10,000 participants with PhDs)".

 

[PJ Diaz]

I mean, it kinda sounds like PJ is saying it's 4x better to be vaccinated than not. I certainly feel better. Thanks for turning things positive for a change.

"Better" is of course subjective. Personally I'm not fussed by what other medical choices people make for themselves. If you think it's 4x better to be vaxxed, then I say go for it, but I'd also say do so knowing that we are on the short-timeline side of science on this one still. If people want to get vaxxed, I'm not here to try to talk anyone out of it, but I will try to make sure that people get info on both the good and not so good aspects of the jab. It's also become very clear that what I was saying months ago about vax not preventing transmission or infection is very accurate, and I believe that we will see more evidence of this in the coming months as efficacy continues to wane. I'm glad that you pro-vaxxers are finally starting to accept this reality, as opposed to when you called me crazy to say such things a couple of months ago. Funny how I got banned from the vax thread for stating these say sort of truths. I guess some here only like truths when the truths support their position.

 

[topcat]

There jes' ain't no tawkin' to 'em.

 

[hanimmal]

"Better" is of course subjective. Personally I'm not fussed by what other medical choices people make for themselves. If you think it's 4x better to be vaxxed, then I say go for it, but I'd also say do so knowing that we are on the short-timeline side of science on this one still. If people want to get vaxxed, I'm not here to try to talk anyone out of it, but I will try to make sure that people get info on both the good and not so good aspects of the jab. It's also become very clear that what I was saying months ago about vax not preventing transmission or infection is very accurate, and I believe that we will see more evidence of this in the coming months as efficacy continues to wane. I'm glad that you pro-vaxxers are finally starting to accept this reality, as opposed to when you called me crazy to say such things a couple of months ago. Funny how I got banned from the vax thread for stating these say sort of truths. I guess some here only like truths when the truths support their position.

lmao wow, impressive. It is almost like how a vaccine works?

I see though you are still just cherry picking though, you ignore the bullshit you say, and say the things that are real ignoring the over reaching shit you say.

Is this how people trick themselves into believing their own bullshit? Or just another troll?

 

[mooray]

"Better" is of course subjective. Personally I'm not fussed by what other medical choices people make for themselves. If you think it's 4x better to be vaxxed, then I say go for it, but I'd also say do so knowing that we are on the short-timeline side of science on this one still. If people want to get vaxxed, I'm not here to try to talk anyone out of it, but I will try to make sure that people get info on both the good and not so good aspects of the jab. It's also become very clear that what I was saying months ago about vax not preventing transmission or infection is very accurate, and I believe that we will see more evidence of this in the coming months as efficacy continues to wane. I'm glad that you pro-vaxxers are finally starting to accept this reality, as opposed to when you called me crazy to say such things a couple of months ago. Funny how I got banned from the vax thread for stating these say sort of truths. I guess some here only like truths when the truths support their position.

You're saying that the article you posted showing 23.41% breakthrough and 76.59% unvaccinated is subjective and should be ignored?

Could you show me some of your posts where you made sure people got info on the good?

I'm not a "pro-vaxxer", because that implies a lack of merit and that I'd inject butthole juice into myself as long as it were labelled "vaccine". Our current vaccines held merit, but were downplayed as experimental. You could have a team of auto engineers design a new seatbelt in five minutes and these same people wouldn't have considered it an experimental seatbelt, because...you know...they're professionals that have hundreds of years of combined experience.

Do you accept the reality that hospitals are overrun and that your downplaying is part of a larger issue of those conveying the same and it's causing people to die, even people that have no covid issues?

 

[PJ Diaz]

You're saying that the article you posted showing 23.41% breakthrough and 76.59% unvaccinated is subjective and should be ignored?

No, it shouldn't be ignored, but it shouldn't be info analyzed within a vacuum either, as there are many other factors. Also, those are the numbers this month, which are up from last month, which are up from the months prior. I wonder what the numbers will look like next month, or the following?..

 

[mooray]

You're saying that trends concern you?

Interdasting.

 

[PJ Diaz]

lmao wow, impressive. It is almost like how a vaccine works?

I see though you are still just cherry picking though, you ignore the bullshit you say, and say the things that are real ignoring the over reaching shit you say.

Is this how people trick themselves into believing their own bullshit? Or just another troll?

No, that's not how a vaccine works. Vaccines prevent infection and transmission. Even the ineffective flu vaccine does that (when it works).

Again, I've been saying this for months, and you guys called me a QTard or whatever. Here's some evidence of that:

Covid-19

sorry bout that....my apologies

www.rollitup.org

 

[hanimmal]

No, it shouldn't be ignored, but it shouldn't be info analyzed within a vacuum either, as there are many other factors. Also, those are the numbers this month, which are up from last month, which are up from the months prior. I wonder what the numbers will look like next month, or the following?..

Only if there was something like a booster shot available to overcome any reduction in effectiveness.

Kind of like a flu shot has.

Oh wait.....

No, that's not how a vaccine works. Vaccines prevent infection and transmission. Even the ineffective flu vaccine does that (when it works).

Again, I've been saying this for months, and you guys called me a QTard or whatever. Here's some evidence of that:

Covid-19

sorry bout that....my apologies

www.rollitup.org

You can still get the virus when you get vaccinated against it.

But you are spewing out far less virus than people unvaccinated.

I call you a death cult troll. Because you are a cherry picking fool spreading death cult nonsense over and over again. I would provide links, but anyone can just randomly look at most pages in here and see how full of shit you are.

 

[CatHedral]

I'm not a "pro-vaxxer", because that implies a lack of merit and that I'd inject butthole juice into myself as long as it were labelled "vaccine".

This is a crazy and manipulative definition. For shame.

 

[PJ Diaz]

Only if there was something like a booster shot available to overcome any reduction in effectiveness.

Kind of like a flu shot has.

Oh wait.....

Flu shots are highly ineffective in the first place, mainly because they have to guess (based on the flu strains which were predominate the year prior) which strains to put in the vax and new strains are always on the rise. I've never gotten one myself, and don't get the flu. My mom gets them each year, but still gets the flu from time to time.

 

[PJ Diaz]

This is from the CDC regarding flu vax efficacy, but of course it's just an estimate (their words), since we don't have very good data:

 

[CatHedral]

Flu shots are highly ineffective in the first place, mainly because they have to guess (based on the flu strains which were predominate the year prior) which strains to put in the vax and new strains are always on the rise. I've never gotten one myself, and don't get the flu. My mom gets them each year, but still gets the flu from time to time.

There's no evidence like unconfirmed anecdotal evidence.

 

[printer]

It's also become very clear that what I was saying months ago about vax not preventing transmission or infection is very accurate

All because we do not have the world wide capacity to vax up people. The reason for the Delta variant is in sheer numbers. It is not that the vaccine does not work, it is the virus mutated and a better version took over. So your saying the vaccine way back when does not work is not valid for the original variants. That being said the protection the vaccines give when we do get the Delta (and I believe everyone will get it given time) the ones that are vaccinated will weather it better. And in keeping in mind it will not be the silver bullet for everyone. Those with preexisting conditions that will get hammered by the virus will not magically dodge the virus.

Yes, I agree with you that percentages from way back cases do not mean much right now. But in keeping in mind the progress of the virus is changing and moving the goalposts. You seem to have no problem with using figures to back up your angst over the vaccines but have a hard time admitting it is helping people fight bad outcomes. On the long term effects of the vaccine on people, you have a right to be skeptical, we do not know yet. But worrying about the seepage in the lifeboat at the one end as compaed to the sinking ship you just jumped off of, I think I will take the seepage that we can bail out over floating in the water.

 

[mooray]

This is a crazy and manipulative definition. For shame.

Disagree. It puts a focus on merit and away from the tribalism. Now think about someone that leans the inverse, they're not an anti-vaxxer and they focus on merit, then they see that there isn't much merit to avoiding these vaccines, at least not without being super inconsistent like PJ, because you'd have to stay in your house and live in a bubble, never ride a bicycle, etc. And finding yourself in conflict is the best path to reconciling conflicting ideas, because you can do it internally and don't have to worry about anything external(embarrassment, etc.).

 

[PJ Diaz]

All because we do not have the world wide capacity to vax up people. The reason for the Delta variant is in sheer numbers. It is not that the vaccine does not work, it is the virus mutated and a better version took over. So your saying the vaccine way back when does not work is not valid for the original variants. That being said the protection the vaccines give when we do get the Delta (and I believe everyone will get it given time) the ones that are vaccinated will weather it better. And in keeping in mind it will not be the silver bullet for everyone. Those with preexisting conditions that will get hammered by the virus will not magically dodge the virus.

Yes, I agree with you that percentages from way back cases do not mean much right now. But in keeping in mind the progress of the virus is changing and moving the goalposts. You seem to have no problem with using figures to back up your angst over the vaccines but have a hard time admitting it is helping people fight bad outcomes. On the long term effects of the vaccine on people, you have a right to be skeptical, we do not know yet. But worrying about the seepage in the lifeboat at the one end as compaed to the sinking ship you just jumped off of, I think I will take the seepage that we can bail out over floating in the water.

Yes, vaxxed people are getting infected with Alpha, not only Delta. Fact. You see more Delta, simply because that's the predominant strain right now. The reality is that most covid cases are never sequenced.

 

[PJ Diaz]

There's no evidence like unconfirmed anecdotal evidence.

Right, I mean that evidence from the CDC right above your post is on it's face anecdotal (as they admit on their own page), yet it's still used as a government reference. Weird eh?

 

[hanimmal]

Yes, vaxxed people are getting infected with Alpha, not only Delta. Fact. You see more Delta, simply because that's the predominant strain right now. The reality is that most covid cases are never sequenced.

Right, I mean that evidence from the CDC right above your post is on it's face anecdotal (as they admit on their own page), yet it's still used as a government reference. Weird eh?

Yet your youtube science degree has given you the ability to claim that the flu vaccine is 'highly ineffective'.

 

[Dr.Amber Trichome]

Right, I mean that evidence from the CDC right above your post is on it's face anecdotal (as they admit on their own page), yet it's still used as a government reference. Weird eh?

What do you think today would be like with no one vaccinated? About the same amount of sick and dying?