Old leaves? Or nutrient burn

BBPac

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Not sure if these bottoms leaves are nutrient burn / nitrogen def or if they’re just getting old.


Details of grow:
Mephisto double grape
Ffof mixed with perlite
3 gallon fabric pot
top dressed with ewc and 2 TSP Stonington 5-2-4 on day 22
HLG 135 rspec LED
Light is 18/6
Day 33 (8/30)
 

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myke

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She looks good pretty dark green but could just be pic.Id say old leaf but if it continues Id look at adding P.
 

BBPac

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She looks good pretty dark green but could just be pic.Id say old leaf but if it continues Id look at adding P.
It looks nice and dark green in person too, that’s what through me off. I’m just being precautious.
what form of P can I add that’s organic?
Would bone meal take too long to break down? Can’t make a AACT since i don’t have any of the equipment
 

myke

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It looks nice and dark green in person too, that’s what through me off. I’m just being precautious.
what form of P can I add that’s organic?
Stonington?Google says 5-2-4? Perhaps they have bloom one?
 

BBPac

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Stonington?Google says 5-2-4? Perhaps they have bloom one?
Lmao it didn’t seem so obvious at the moment.

Quick search I found THIS, think it’s alright?5-13-0) I have no idea if 13 is a considered high especially combined with the 5-2-4
 

myke

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Not sure. Don’t really see anything good there. Others perhaps use this combo?
 

bk78

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Dark leaves means photosynthesis is happening. Clawed tips show photosynthates aren't moving fast enough after photosynthesis. Purple stems mean photosynthates are stuck in the phloem. The roots will be small because they lack phos and photosynthates.

It's phosphorus deficiency, but he has phos, you see it in the quality of the photosynthates. It's just not translocating. The only 2 things that could be holding up phosphorus are calcium or boron and I've never seen a boron deficiency. I see [soluble] calcium fix every grow I've consulated. The time saved on lst, vegging, plucking.. People have completely forgotten how uncontrollable the growth of this plant naturally is.. Months of veg time wasted, yields in the single percent of the genetic potential of the strain. Constantly manipulating plants because they don't branch correctly. I don't know if there's a conspiracy to make everyone waste their time growing a partial crop of premature mids or what, but literally every grow I look at has the same problem and could triple their yield by fixing calcium uptake. I promise you this blindness to calcium deficiency is strickly a cannabis issue. All the Cannabis charts wait until necrosis shows up and then panics to identify a symptom while ignoring the root cause. The plant tells you everything that's going to happen weeks prior.
So can you point out the calcium deficiency or no?
 

Rurumo

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Sometimes the leaves at the bottom look a bit janky, if you ever had an issue with the plant, even back in veg, they will just stay that way. What matters is what the rest of the plant and new growth look like. You might be feeding it slightly too much, tiny burn on the tips and dark green leaves, but it's a healthy plant and looks good. There is ZERO calcium deficiency lol. Keep up the good work!
 

bk78

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Sometimes the leaves at the bottom look a bit janky, if you ever had an issue with the plant, even back in veg, they will just stay that way. What matters is what the rest of the plant and new growth look like. You might be feeding it slightly too much, tiny burn on the tips and dark green leaves, but it's a healthy plant and looks good. There is ZERO calcium deficiency lol. Keep up the good work!
But now it’s a phosphorus deficiency apparently?
 

BBPac

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Sometimes the leaves at the bottom look a bit janky, if you ever had an issue with the plant, even back in veg, they will just stay that way. What matters is what the rest of the plant and new growth look like. You might be feeding it slightly too much, tiny burn on the tips and dark green leaves, but it's a healthy plant and looks good. There is ZERO calcium deficiency lol. Keep up the good work!
I don’t think I really had any problems with the lower growth... that I’m aware of at least. I’m obviously a rookie so I’m not sure what to spot / when I’d spot it.

I haven’t fed any more than the one top dress of EWC and 2tsp 5-2-4, but maybe with the FFOF i added too soon? Tried to anticipate the soil depletion as best I could.
I take it I shouldn’t add any Flower Girl in the near future? (3-9-4)
 

bk78

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That's not a calcium deficiency. If anything it's a lack of uptake due to too much of something. Too many are quick to jump to a calcium deficiency just because that's what so many cannabis growers do. When in fact adding more calcium can actually make the problem worse.


The newest sock master grower has it nailed
 

Budzbuddha

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Lowest “ early set “ leaf … those are expendable. If leaf issue isnt systemic i would just monitor , hell even clip them.

But plant is pretty nitrogen heavy. Flowergirl is fine but i would let plant try to exhaust the overfeed as is … water only as needed . Then prop up later blooming with flowergirl ( good dry bloom btw ) . Excess nitrogen in flower “ can “ malform flowers sometimes but oddly your plant seems to be tolerating high nitrogen so far. Just bring it down.

GL
 

BBPac

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Lowest “ early set “ leaf … those are expendable. If leaf issue isnt systemic i would just monitor , hell even clip them.

But plant is pretty nitrogen heavy. Flowergirl is fine but i would let plant try to exhaust the overfeed as is … water only as needed . Then prop up later blooming with flowergirl ( good dry bloom btw ) . Excess nitrogen in flower “ can “ malform flowers sometimes but oddly your plant seems to be tolerating high nitrogen so far. Just bring it down.

GL
I’ll probably keep them on just to visually monitor till they fall off. How do I know how long I should let the plant try to exhaust the overfeed? With Flowergirl being a dry amendment I’ll have to account for time for it to break down?


BTW do not flush it … a simple watering over the week ( s ) will leach it down incrementally . Ph the water and let plant work thru the excess.
That was my next question. But now that raises 2 new ones.

First: I’m not sure if it’s the plant possibly getting root bound or if it’s normal but the pot feels light and have water almost every other day, am I watering too little too often?

Second: I posted THIS earlier this same grow about pH problems I was having and was told don't pH in living soil, do I revert to trying to pH
 

Rurumo

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If you still aren't sure about when to water, fill up an identical pot with the same media, then you can compare the weight to your pots. You have to account for the plant of course, but it will give you a good idea of what dryness feels like. Just focus on good watering habits and the plant will let you know when to feed it again. Good luck!
 

Budzbuddha

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Reason that pot is “ light “ after “ watering “ is that medium is probably hydrophobic and needs watering low and slow - meaning watering in a way to fully saturate it. You could place plant in a large container and water it over and over until properly hydrated.

PH your mixes and water before adding as sometimes soil buffers are NOT guaranteed… this way you KNOW what you put in plant is ranged properly for uptake.
I run various soil mixes and regardless of its makeup , i STILL make sure what i add is close to what plant needs. It helps dial in shit.
 
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