Is a reversal of Roe v Wade decision next?

hanimmal

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Supreme Court declines to block Texas abortion law
Just before midnight, the court denied an emergency request from abortion providers to block the law, issuing a 5-4 ruling with Chief Justice John Roberts joining the court's three liberal justices in dissent.

The majority, citing procedural complexities, said abortion providers had failed to make a persuasive case for the court to step in but added that the challengers had raised “serious questions” about the law’s constitutionality.

Justice Sonia Sotomayor, in a fiery dissent that was joined by her two fellow liberal justices, called the ruling “stunning.”

“Presented with an application to enjoin a flagrantly unconstitutional law engineered to prohibit women from exercising their constitutional rights and evade judicial scrutiny, a majority of Justices have opted to bury their heads in the sand,” Sotomayor wrote.

The impact of the law was already felt in Texas by late Wednesday, according to abortion providers, who said they were complying with the new state law by not offering abortions following the detection of fetal cardiac activity. The groups estimate that about 85 to 90 percent of women who get an abortion in Texas are at least six weeks into their pregnancy.

In July, a group of abortion providers filed a lawsuit to block Texas state judges from enforcing the law and court clerks from accepting lawsuits that allege violations. But a federal appeals court late last month effectively paused the legal challenge, prompting the group's emergency request to the Supreme Court.

The challengers argue the law violates the constitutional right to abortion first recognized in the landmark 1973 decision in Roe v. Wade, which prohibits states from banning abortion before a fetus is viable, typically around 24 weeks of pregnancy.

The Texas law contains a novel mechanism that authorizes private citizens to sue those who perform or aid the procedure in violation of the measure, providing for at least $10,000 for each successful suit.

In its brief unsigned order Wednesday, the majority said it rebuffed the emergency request in part because it was unclear whether the named defendants in suit — primarily court and state officials — “can or will seek to enforce the Texas law against the applicants in a manner that might permit our intervention.”

Roberts, in dissent, said it appeared that the Texas law aimed to “to insulate the State from responsibility for implementing and enforcing” its restrictive abortion law, calling the legislative design “not only unusual, but unprecedented.”

“I would grant preliminary relief to preserve the status quo ante — before the law went into effect — so that the courts may consider whether a state can avoid responsibility for its laws in such a manner,” wrote Roberts, who was joined by liberal Justices Stephen Breyer and Elena Kagan. Breyer wrote a separate dissent, as did Kagan, who called the Texas law “patently unconstitutional.”

The five conservative justices who comprised the majority added that their ruling did not seek to resolve questions about “the constitutionality of Texas’s law” or foreclose future lawsuits over the measure.

The abortion providers should scrape up $10k per procedure and have a person that is a friend of the person file the lawsuit. Then the abortion providers head files in court for every procedure they do (can a defendant be the complainant?) Clog up the courts without stopping the procedures.
It is going to be interesting to see if expanding the SCOTUS to 12 will be a platform that the Democrats run on in 2024. Im looking forward to the study that Biden requested to be done about how to undo the damage that Trump has done with his appointing activist trolls to lifetime positions in the federal courts.
 

printer

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It is going to be interesting to see if expanding the SCOTUS to 12 will be a platform that the Democrats run on in 2024. Im looking forward to the study that Biden requested to be done about how to undo the damage that Trump has done with his appointing activist trolls to lifetime positions in the federal courts.
Best to leave that until after the midterms. People fired up vote more.
 

CCGNZ

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Could be but then again the rise in unwanted births will be offset by higher infant deaths and women dying due to complications with their pregnancy. Texas government just wants to make women have babies, they don't feel any responsibility to care for them. It's just another punitive and thoughtless act by Republicans.
Leave it to Texas and other southern states loaded and influenced by evangelicals, I never understood how they could be anti abortion even in the case of rape yet be so hypocritical to dump on large families that are poor and refuse to have the proper social safety net of housing and food assistance for these people. For ex. a single woman w/four kids gets preg.,according to their philosophy she has to have the baby
yet they refuse to have the proper assistance in place. To me that is the definition of cruelty.ccguns
 

printer

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Leave it to Texas and other southern states loaded and influenced by evangelicals, I never understood how they could be anti abortion even in the case of rape yet be so hypocritical to dump on large families that are poor and refuse to have the proper social safety net of housing and food assistance for these people. For ex. a single woman w/four kids gets preg.,according to their philosophy she has to have the baby
yet they refuse to have the proper assistance in place. To me that is the definition of cruelty.ccguns
A righteous person would keep it in their pants if they can not afford another baby.
 

topcat

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The Supreme Court cannot be trusted to uphold the Constitution, their only job. We are headed to a dark place in history. It'll likely happen in my lifetime, but there's little of that left, so I won't see the worst.
 

Fogdog

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I refer to his hijacking any thread to pitch his anarcho-individualist politics.
When somebody corners him with why that wont work he posts frivolities. Tell me youve noticed.
The left seem as likely to use stupid propaganda as the right. The right has more funding to make that crap and oftentimes I see the left recycling it.

Liars lie

That said, if a fetus is a whole person under the law and the woman must support it, why can't a woman collect child support payments from the father?
 

printer

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House to vote on bill guaranteeing abortion access in response to Texas law
Pelosi said that after the House returns to session on Sept. 20, the chamber will vote on a bill from Rep. Judy Chu (D-Calif.) to statutorily protect a person's ability to seek an abortion and for health care providers to provide abortion services. She called the Texas law "a flagrantly unconstitutional assault on women’s rights and health" and a "catastrophe."

"This ban necessitates codifying Roe v. Wade," Pelosi said, referring to the landmark 1973 Supreme Court ruling that prohibits states from banning abortion before a fetus reaches the point of viability, which typically is around 24 weeks of pregnancy.

“Upon our return, the House will bring up Congresswoman Judy Chu’s Women’s Health Protection Act to enshrine into law reproductive health care for all women across America," Pelosi said.

But given that Senate Republicans would likely filibuster any House-passed bill to guarantee abortion access, the legislation faces steep hurdles to becoming law despite narrow Democratic majorities in both chambers and a like-minded president.

“SB8 unleashes one of the most disturbing, unprecedented and far-reaching assaults on health care providers – and on anyone who helps a woman, in any way, access an abortion – by creating a vigilante bounty system that will have a chilling effect on the provision of any reproductive health care services. This provision is a cynical, backdoor attempt by partisan lawmakers to evade the Constitution and the law to destroy not only a woman’s right to health care but potentially any right or protection that partisan lawmakers target," Pelosi said.
 

CatHedral

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The left seem as likely to use stupid propaganda as the right. The right has more funding to make that crap and oftentimes I see the left recycling it.

Liars lie

That said, if a fetus is a whole person under the law and the woman must support it, why can't a woman collect child support payments from the father?
That does strike me as a double standard. If the fetus is legally a person, he or she is entitled to the full support of and recognition by the law. Child support is due from the day a viable pregnancy is medically established. If later DNA testing proves other paternity, the not-father should have all payments returned.
 

CatHedral

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House to vote on bill guaranteeing abortion access in response to Texas law
Pelosi said that after the House returns to session on Sept. 20, the chamber will vote on a bill from Rep. Judy Chu (D-Calif.) to statutorily protect a person's ability to seek an abortion and for health care providers to provide abortion services. She called the Texas law "a flagrantly unconstitutional assault on women’s rights and health" and a "catastrophe."

"This ban necessitates codifying Roe v. Wade," Pelosi said, referring to the landmark 1973 Supreme Court ruling that prohibits states from banning abortion before a fetus reaches the point of viability, which typically is around 24 weeks of pregnancy.

“Upon our return, the House will bring up Congresswoman Judy Chu’s Women’s Health Protection Act to enshrine into law reproductive health care for all women across America," Pelosi said.

But given that Senate Republicans would likely filibuster any House-passed bill to guarantee abortion access, the legislation faces steep hurdles to becoming law despite narrow Democratic majorities in both chambers and a like-minded president.

“SB8 unleashes one of the most disturbing, unprecedented and far-reaching assaults on health care providers – and on anyone who helps a woman, in any way, access an abortion – by creating a vigilante bounty system that will have a chilling effect on the provision of any reproductive health care services. This provision is a cynical, backdoor attempt by partisan lawmakers to evade the Constitution and the law to destroy not only a woman’s right to health care but potentially any right or protection that partisan lawmakers target," Pelosi said.
Let the Republicans obstruct. I applaud their political suicide. And media coverage of it.
 

topcat

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A choice of what?
Violent rapists belong in jail for decades. That is how I would work this issue. But setting precedent for state-mandated castration is the opposite of progressive.
A choice a woman doesn't have now. Force a woman to give birth to an unwanted child, force the father to raise the child until 21 years of age. If he refuses, allow anyone, anywhere to sue him and make money at it. Texas law commin' to the nation. Judge Roy Bean, the law west of the Pecos.
 

schuylaar

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I was hoping you would add something meaningful to the discussion. Thanks. Good post.

Maybe I’m overreacting. I have a wife and daughter who are American citizens and I’m very protective of them.

It’s apparently easier to change laws up here and I always have my eye on the Conservatives on this issue because of that.
you know i love you friend:hug:

there's a $10k bounty out in Texas now neighbor reporting neighbor? maybe i'm thinking as a woman who's been suppressed her whole life; assaulted on my body by WHITE men NEVER a black man ALWAYS in this case is ALWAYS a WHITE man..we turn to our Underground..to our Plan B literally.

always have a Plan B and don't come to the states.

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do remember we get one vote here, dear.
 

CatHedral

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A choice a woman doesn't have now. Force a woman to give birth to an unwanted child, force the father to raise the child until 21 years of age. If he refuses, allow anyone, anywhere to sue him and make money at it. Texas law commin' to the nation. Judge Roy Bean, the law west of the Pecos.
What if the father cannot readily be identified?

Note that I am not impugning the woman in any way. I am engaging in legal blue-sky wonderings.
 

Fogdog

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That does strike me as a double standard. If the fetus is legally a person, he or she is entitled to the full support of and recognition by the law. Child support is due from the day a viable pregnancy is medically established. If later DNA testing proves other paternity, the not-father should have all payments returned.
I suppose so.

I can't get past the fetus is a person part.
 
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