How far can "ripeness" be pushed?

[Lockedin]

I'll say it again - the ops that I've trimmed for are VERY conscientious in their practices.
You also need to understand that:
Not all legal areas / ops have the same practices.
The biggest op I worked for sells dried / cured flower, sugar trim, trim.
-They could have a solid market for hash, but choose to let their workers keep it as a bonus (you should see the end of harvest parties....)
-Their product is lower-top-shelf or upper-mid-shelf -- depending on where you are.
-I like it - pretty good for dispo weed (although I get it before it goes to distribution, then the dispo.

-The owner's personal garden is full of strains that are SPECTACULAR - but for one reason or another (low yield, large variability, etc) are not viable as sellable product.

Farmers have different goals than growers. Both have their place.

 

[ComputerSaysNo]

Its telling someone that likes something that it's trash because your "discernment" is at a higher level that's ridiculous.

I live in Europe. Budweiser is complete garbage. You could not sell it here.
When it comes to beer, our general discernment is at a higher level, and not because we're better critics, but simply since we have regular access to actual beer (quite the prerequisite for discerning that from non-beer).

Surely there are people who authentically like trash. They will literally eat, drink or smoke pure garbage. It's still garbage.

 

[green_machine_two9er]

I see so many excuses for why store-bought weed sucks. Legal weed sucks because of who grew it, period. Everyone in the industry is a clown chasing magic genetics to do all the work for him.


Get with the times folks. I been growing 18 week sativas on an 10 week schedule since high-school. If you can't figure out how to shorten or extend bloom, go back to the 'newbie' section. There's nothing advanced about total ignorance.

What, you graduated last year..

 

[Three Berries]

I have some Orange Krush about ready. One plant isn't in very good shape looks wise but is heavy with bud. The other is still quite green in the leaves. I may let the latter one go a bit longer past ten weeks. I'm at almost 9 weeks.

I've got two more ready for the 12hr. Today one of them I pinched off all the big fan leaves for a test. tomorrow they go on 12 hr. Best grow so far in maybe 20 or so. Used 1200 w of LED in 3x3x5 tent.

 

[ComfortCreator]

I'll say it again - the ops that I've trimmed for are VERY conscientious in their practices.
You also need to understand that:
Not all legal areas / ops have the same practices.
The biggest op I worked for sells dried / cured flower, sugar trim, trim.
-They could have a solid market for hash, but choose to let their workers keep it as a bonus (you should see the end of harvest parties....)
-Their product is lower-top-shelf or upper-mid-shelf -- depending on where you are.
-I like it - pretty good for dispo weed (although I get it before it goes to distribution, then the dispo.

-The owner's personal garden is full of strains that are SPECTACULAR - but for one reason or another (low yield, large variability, etc) are not viable as sellable product.

Farmers have different goals than growers. Both have their place.

Great post!

About the owner's garden.
THAT is what makes all of us here mad, and that is the one cultivator we all think we wish we had as an option. The boutique style cultivator who grows the best for the customers, and charges accordingly and kindly, gently explains why as needed i.e. it is a low yielding killer strain, that's why it's 50% more.

What would the owner say?

Is it really, truly that the market wants good not great? I dont understand why the market hasnt cleared away this half ass sxxx. Only Washington and Oregon have broken through.

 

[Lockedin]

Great post!

About the owner's garden.
THAT is what makes all of us here mad, and that is the one cultivator we all think we wish we had as an option. The boutique style cultivator who grows the best for the customers, and charges accordingly and kindly, gently explains why as needed i.e. it is a low yielding killer strain, that's why it's 50% more.

What would the owner say?

Is it really, truly that the market wants good not great? I dont understand why the market hasnt cleared away this half ass sxxx. Only Washington and Oregon have broken through.

So - the owners having personal gardens of experimental or difficult to grow strains and sharing the product with friends & family bothers you???

Who is your personal garden for?
Or would you agree that farmers can be growers too?

Here's how it plays out.
They try to farm a strain and something's off - low yield - disease prone - inconsistency - etc. and it makes no money. Might even lose money.
Do you stay in the weed business?
Or do you continue growing that strain and find another job to support your growing hobby...

 

[ComputerSaysNo]

So - the owners having personal gardens of experimental or difficult to grow strains and sharing the product with friends & family bothers you???

Who is your personal garden for?
Or would you agree that farmers can be growers too?

I don't think that is what he wanted to say. At least I did not read it that way.

He says he wished there was a boutique-style cultivator like your boss who would choose to be the "high class outfit" that sells only the top-shelf flower at an appropriate price.

I expect this to happen sooner or later in any market that is liberalized enough, and for long enough. At when "mail order" of some kind is possible and risk-free, this boutique-style niche market will become large enough for some high-end sellers to exist.

 

[YardG]

I'm not expecting it to actually turn out ideally, but I'll be curious to see what happens with Vermont's legal market. Thus far it looks like it'll be "small-scale" "craft" producers only, with no large scale cultivation. I used quotes because it isn't clear to me what any of the terms will mean in actuality. They say they'll keep craft licenses accessible, but again, is that actually accessible to most Vermonters, or accessible to farmers with capital and lines of credit (the CBD "Green Rush" didn't turn out so well, and from what I've heard the medicinal market was a mess). Also, what will the actual retailers demand in terms of quality and price. A lot still to be determined.

 

[Lockedin]

I don't think that is what he wanted to say. At least I did not read it that way.

He says he wished there was a boutique-style cultivator like your boss who would choose to be the "high class outfit" that sells only the top-shelf flower at an appropriate price.

I expect this to happen sooner or later in any market that is liberalized enough, and for long enough. At when "mail order" of some kind is possible and risk-free, this boutique-style niche market will become large enough for some high-end sellers to exist.

Probly right.
Guess I've been running hot lately.

One thing (among MANY) I've learned from all of my weed endeavors - generosity.

I usually leave any visit with at least one Mason jar.

I'm PROUD to say that last year was the first time that I returned one of their Mason jars filled with my weed!

My family friends and neighbors all get that from me - I can't think of any tokers that leave my house empty handed.
This is a big part of why I grow!

 

[ComfortCreator]

I don't think that is what he wanted to say. At least I did not read it that way.

He says he wished there was a boutique-style cultivator like your boss who would choose to be the "high class outfit" that sells only the top-shelf flower at an appropriate price.

I expect this to happen sooner or later in any market that is liberalized enough, and for long enough. At when "mail order" of some kind is possible and risk-free, this boutique-style niche market will become large enough for some high-end sellers to exist.

Yes sir this is it.

I understand the owners garden and the economics. I'm saying...OK, if the goal is just to make money as a business sure grow the safe strains that are known to be safe and decent.

That's how businesses sell commodities...and in many states every dispensary sells the same stuff...they do not differentiate at the cultivator, or dispensary level. It is all the same. That is the problem. That is why we discuss dispensary weed in the negative. It is safely grown well and tends to be the same strains that evolve slowly as new crosses are tried. If like me, you have tried say 50+ strains multiple times at the store -- you realize it's the same, highly addictive (as in fast tolerance building), pretty stuff. It's fun once, maybe twice, and the novelty wears off.

Now there are craft growers, and eventually I hope they will grow the riskier, or longer running strains for a profit. I.e. grow a killer sativa and charge for it. I'm not suggesting grow unstable strains, but they do grow Gorilla Glue successfully dont they? And low yielding strains can be amazing...and nobody grows them at the stores.

One other example is marketing. Who cares if Seth Rogan's bud comes in a pretty jar, with a brochure? THAT is the b.s. branding going on. Nice packaging, sponsored by a stoner! Yet he has no unique strains does he?

As mentioned above, a critical component is mail-order. There is a difference between growing a strain in Hawaii, California and Oklahoma.

I'm just saying...surprised the market has yet to have a real, true player who can claim superior product, at a higher price. I could be wrong of course, maybe they do exist.

Probly right.
Guess I've been running hot lately.

One thing (among MANY) I've learned from all of my weed endeavors - generosity.

I usually leave any visit with at least one Mason jar.

I'm PROUD to say that last year was the first time that I returned one of their Mason jars filled with my weed!

My family friends and neighbors all get that from me - I can't think of any tokers that leave my house empty handed.
This is a big part of why I grow!

Hot makes for good discussion!

I'm fine with greedy capitalism but wish that there were true connoisseur quality buds available from SOMEWHERE besides private growers. That's what I would like to see.

 

[Thai St1ck]

This has been an interesting read.
Being based in Thailand, for the last several years all i have been smoking is 100% Thai/Lao/Cambodian Sativa.

Are you telling me there are zero 100% Sativa offerings available at dispensaries?

 

[DaFreak]

I think the is nothing wrong with the way people determine the ripeness of the plants by going off of trics. Doesn't mean that people are going to wait for the right timing. But I don'y think you gain anything by letting them go over-ripe.

 

[Budzbuddha]

Looks like Chumbawumba Squarepants got the hammer and disappeared.
Awaiting his Sock replacement…. Lol

 

[ComfortCreator]

This has been an interesting read.
Being based in Thailand, for the last several years all i have been smoking is 100% Thai/Lao/Cambodian Sativa.

Are you telling me there are zero 100% Sativa offerings available at dispensaries?

I have shopped for years and never saw a pure sativa from any dispensary, any state in the USA. Lots of hybrids, always to shorten the plant and its flowering time.

 

[Lockedin]

I have shopped for years and never saw a pure sativa from any dispensary, any state in the USA. Lots of hybrids, always to shorten the plant and its flowering time.

The complete lack of any real variety (never mind proper cure / trim, etc.)

And very much to your point - everything seems to be hybrids.
"Sativa leaning, or "indica leaning" --- and they never really are.

May sound weird, but I want a little edge to my sativas- a little bit of "everybody's staring at me" wouldn't hurt.
I want couch lock so deep that I end up a floor down.
Also - I want my nasty terps back - I know skunk #1 is lost (if there was ever much of a true strain) - but I'm looking forward to RoadKill Skunk - I hope it gets LOUD and the neighbors complain....

As far as sativas go - I'm excited to get my Malana seeds in soil - I just need the room, and the time...

 

[NORMANREH41]

Yes, it would. But I fear that it would be like having too many cooks in the kitchen unless all the growers were family-related! Eventually, one expert would disagree with the other expert and...well....

I think you guys are onto something. Would love to get some excellent growers together and make that happen. Sooner or later people will catch on and make that happen. I think someone should make an app kind of like this one. That way we could all get together and take over the industry of the weak ass people that don't care about our cannabis

 

[NORMANREH41]

What about the effects tho? Did you notice any difference in the high other than smell/taste?

You know the old saying right. If you think it's ready let it go another week. I always go by that and it is one of the best things you could do.

 

[Millo]

You know the old saying right. If you think it's ready let it go another week. I always go by that and it is one of the best things you could do.

Sure. But it doesn't answer the question I asked ZeeeDoc

 

[NORMANREH41]

Sure. But it doesn't answer the question I asked ZeeeDoc View attachment 4985977

How about you put your question in your pipe and smoke on it for a little while then you might actually figure out what you need to know.

 

[NORMANREH41]

What, you graduated last year..

Hey question for you. I think you would no this because you posted this information.
Where do I get boron?
At what week of flowering to add?
How much do I add to a plant that's growing in five gallon buckets?