Recovering fraudulent or abused unemployment insurance?

[mooray]

I was using "crash" to describe a fast decline in blue collar workforce, as opposed to a real estate crash, which of course could follow. And remember, we were talking Santa Cruz area. Not gonna get a lot of sympathy from me about people not being able to afford living in the bay. That entire region sucks.

Now, if you have problems with blue collar workers being able to live in the greater Sacramento area, that's a real problem, because that's more of a "working man's town", so something is really wrong if that happens.

Unless you're going to subsidize housing, there's a significant force to overcome, which is that wealthy people (which includes lawmakers) will fight tooth and nail to prevent their property values from declining and they're all too happy to use your tax dollars to do it. I can't support that.

 

[schuylaar]

White supremacists have their own utopia in mind and it is most def not democratic or Marxist.

so do you think you'll be getting a booster?

 

[Fogdog]

so do you think you'll be getting a booster?

I pretty much have to. I have immune compromised loved ones in my bubble.

 

[PJ Diaz]

We have the ability to send everyone food now. I think that makes a lot more sense

I disagree. Not everyone can eat the same foods. Many people are allergic to various foods, so it would be a waste to send them something they can't eat. I personally support sending SNAP, food stamps, or whatever you want to call it to all Americans, so that they can have that basic need taken care of. In terms of how much in different regions, I'm thinking that we take the local minimum wage and multiply it by 40, which would be an appropriate monthly allotment on a per person basis.

 

[PJ Diaz]

I was using "crash" to describe a fast decline in blue collar workforce, as opposed to a real estate crash, which of course could follow. And remember, we were talking Santa Cruz area. Not gonna get a lot of sympathy from me about people not being able to afford living in the bay. That entire region sucks.

Now, if you have problems with blue collar workers being able to live in the greater Sacramento area, that's a real problem, because that's more of a "working man's town", so something is really wrong if that happens.

Unless you're going to subsidize housing, there's a significant force to overcome, which is that wealthy people (which includes lawmakers) will fight tooth and nail to prevent their property values from declining and they're all too happy to use your tax dollars to do it. I can't support that.

So where are all the folks working in a amusement parks, starbucks, restaurants, movie theaters, etc supposed to live while they effectively serve the bay area techies who make 6-times their salaries? If we're taking about Santa Cruz, I should point out that South County is a huge agricultural community. Farm workers in this area often don't even make minimum wage, but sure are needed if you want to eat strawberries or other produce. But your argument is that they shouldn't even come in the first place.

 

[mooray]

I disagree. Not everyone can eat the same foods. Many people are allergic to various foods, so it would be a waste to send them something they can't eat. I personally support sending SNAP, food stamps, or whatever you want to call it to all Americans, so that they can have that basic need taken care of. In terms of how much in different regions, I'm thinking that we take the local minimum wage and multiply it by 40, which would be an appropriate monthly allotment on a per person basis.

If you're dying to spend money, then spend it on education, including the trades. You'll end up with a society of much smarter people than if you just give them money.

 

[mooray]

So where are all the folks working in a amusement parks, starbucks, restaurants, movie theaters, etc supposed to live while they effectively serve the bay area techies who make 6-times their salaries? If we're taking about Santa Cruz, I should point out that South County is a huge agricultural community. Farm workers in this area often don't even make minimum wage, but sure are needed if you want to eat strawberries or other produce. But your argument is that they shouldn't even come in the first place.

People should live where they can afford to live. Why would you move to, or stay in, an area you can't afford? Sounds like a great way to become debt-ridden, destroy your credit, and make it even harder to get hired.

 

[PJ Diaz]

If you're dying to spend money, then spend it on education, including the trades. You'll end up with a society of much smarter people than if you just give them money.

That happens already. Most community colleges will give free year tuition to any local HS grad who's willing to take a full time load right out of high school, however those students are often hungry every day they do to school. Trust me I've bought lunch for them a few times.

 

[PJ Diaz]

People should live where they can afford to live. Why would you move to, or stay in, an area you can't afford? Sounds like a great way to become debt-ridden, destroy your credit, and make it even harder to get hired.

Every community will have low paid service workers. Those workers should get paid enough to have food, shelter, clothes, and health care, plus a little extra to enjoy life on their one day off a week. If the trickle down approach doesn't work for them, then we need to trickle up instead.

 

[hanimmal]

I disagree. Not everyone can eat the same foods. Many people are allergic to various foods, so it would be a waste to send them something they can't eat. I personally support sending SNAP, food stamps, or whatever you want to call it to all Americans, so that they can have that basic need taken care of. In terms of how much in different regions, I'm thinking that we take the local minimum wage and multiply it by 40, which would be an appropriate monthly allotment on a per person basis.

Im not sure if you have seen the different food delivery companies out there right now, but they have a pretty solid variety and it is very easy to pick and choose what people want/need.

Not a one size fits all, but a set amount of nutritious food.

 

[hanimmal]

https://www.rawstory.com/paycheck-protection-program-restaurant/

A Wisconsin restaurant owner who took more than $460,000 in COVID-19 relief funds last year blamed the government for his business closing -- and then recanting when questioned by a local newspaper.

The Wisconsin State Journal reports that John McKay, the owner of the Pine Cone Restaurant in DeForest, Wisconsin, put up a note on his door that blamed President Joe Biden and Wisconsin Gov. Tony Evers for his restaurant shutting down.

"Due to the decisions of your state government (Evers) and your federal government (Biden), The Pine Cone has been forced to close its doors after 40 years," the note read. "Thanks for all your support."

However, McKay admitted to the Wisconsin State Journal that the government really wasn't to blame for his business closing, and in reality, the restaurant is shutting down because its lease is up.

"That was just a little frustration, that was a bad decision," McKay admitted about the sign. "It's just strictly the lease. Our lease was up after 40 years... Got old and got tired."

In fact, records show that the government helped McKay's restaurant stay afloat during the COVID-19 pandemic, as the Pine Cone "got two Paycheck Protection Program loans, one in 2020 and one this year, totaling $464,040."

 

[HGCC]

California libertaricans are an odd bunch.

 

[CunningCanuk]

https://www.rawstory.com/paycheck-protection-program-restaurant/View attachment 4989058

I wonder if this is our very own @GOT420?

 

[hanimmal]

I wonder if this is our very own @GOT420?

lol looks like that guys spot was around for 20 years though, the new guy said he had his open for 5.

 

[mooray]

That happens already. Most community colleges will give free year tuition to any local HS grad who's willing to take a full time load right out of high school, however those students are often hungry every day they do to school. Trust me I've bought lunch for them a few times.

So you're going to pretend like we have free community college and trades, even though more than half the states don't have that and even though it's just for tuition when the books cost 5x more than the class? And then you're going to pretend like there are no mechanisms in place to feed hungry people, because you bought lunch a few times?

 

[mooray]

Every community will have low paid service workers. Those workers should get paid enough to have food, shelter, clothes, and health care, plus a little extra to enjoy life on their one day off a week. If the trickle down approach doesn't work for them, then we need to trickle up instead.

Should, or must? That's what we're talking about here.

 

[HGCC]

So you're going to pretend like we have free community college and trades, even though more than half the states don't have that and even though it's just for tuition when the books cost 5x more than the class? And then you're going to pretend like there are no mechanisms in place to feed hungry people, because you bought lunch a few times?

California puts out weird versions of conservatives. I want them to spend time in Terre haute Indiana and see how they feel.

 

[GOT420]

lol looks like that guys spot was around for 20 years though, the new guy said he had his open for 5.

Very funny jackass

 

[PJ Diaz]

So you're going to pretend like we have free community college and trades, even though more than half the states don't have that and even though it's just for tuition when the books cost 5x more than the class? And then you're going to pretend like there are no mechanisms in place to feed hungry people, because you bought lunch a few times?

I decided to take a couple of classes myself this semester towards a second degree, and the books thing has changed quite a bit. One of my classes has no text book (Phython programming) and the other class (greenhouse design) has the online versions of the text books for free, although I did decide to buy the books myself because I like physical books.

California puts out weird versions of conservatives. I want them to spend time in Terre haute Indiana and see how they feel.

I'm very liberal myself, and have never once voted for a republican.

 

[Fogdog]

I'll reply if you're posting in good faith...?

I'm certainly not opposed to intelligent efforts, but to me, none of those are going to include subsidization, because that's just a tumor with endless growth. And these problems are never simple, or else they'd have already been resolved in every city across the country. But we do know that every decision is placed onto a scale and we see which weighs more. So far, in California, the efforts involved in making the job/home relationship work, has not hit the point where the bulk of people have decided that the effort is no longer worth it. Personally, I'd love to see it crash, because a severe lack of services would rebalance the job/home relationship.

There are plenty of alternatives that don't begin with subsidies. Then again, housing subsidies aren't why CA is experiencing a housing crisis, so there is no reason to exclude them from the solution set.

One may look at zoning and how it affects the crisis, specifically zoning that makes it hard to build affordable multi-family housing.
One may look at expanding tenants rights.
One may look at policies that affect affordable housing.

California's economic strength lies in its people. People will do well when they can. Right now, cost of living is an impediment to doing that. If housing crisis can be thought of as an opportunity instead of a threat, maybe people will start thinking intelligently on the subject.