What is the right age to teach your kids why you really hate Nazis?

[BudmanTX]

If we were headed to Amsterdam, I would unquestionably take her to Anne Frank's home. I would not take her to Dachau if we visited Munich.

There is more to the Holocaust Museum than death and hate. There are lessons of tolerance and survival and strength.

and or maybe a survivor...js

 

[ComputerSaysNo]

teaching them hate racism, sexism, bigotry, and prejudice

I will echo what I said earlier: one should teach their kids to think critically, to question EVERYTHING, and not spoon-feed them ideology of any sort.

There is a firm ground to be built here, and it will make the person resilient against falling prey to consumerism, against being mind-controlled by internet media, against hating and putting people into categories based on superficial qualities.

Going from "look here, the Holocaust" to "this is why we must hate Nazis" is a cop-out. The issue is more complex. Why would anybody commit such a crime in the first place? Is it in the Germans' genes? Could it happen again? Where? Why?

What's the thing that drives Nazis to be such haters? What's the nature of the hating?

 

[Unclebaldrick]

There are layers of information that you reveal to kids. Certainly a 6yo knows about "bad guys", but knowing about bad guys and seeing images of the corpses that bad guys leave behind are night and day.

When one of our main political parties have singled out her type (transgender people) as a group to be persecuted (Tucker Carlson's "Hungary, a Model for America?"), perhaps it is time to accelerate the normal timeline.

 

[mooray]

Maybe. See what the child psychologist says. Don't play expert when it comes to your kids.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

Analogy being, it's poison if you do it wrong and no professional agrees with your usage, but somehow you know better. Definitely ask a child psychologist, specifically about taking a 6yo to a holocaust museum. No sugar coating.

i'm not one to eschew professional people, most (if not all) of them know a lot more in their respective fields than i ever will, but psychology in general leaves me cold...i've been exposed to them for half my life, and without fail, they've all been pompous, smug, superior fucks who don't have anymore of a clue than i do about why people do things, or how to help you stop doing anything...they learn what behaviors accompany which maladies, then they start making wild guesses, and performing experiments on the minds and emotions of other people. i have absolutely no use for any of them.

 

[mooray]

Emotional trauma is real, regardless of your opinion of psychologists.

 

[Unclebaldrick]

With respect, your goal isn't nearly as relevant as your actions from the perspective of your child.

Well, I absolutely will take your advice about putting this to a developmental psychologist.

 

[Unclebaldrick]

Emotional trauma is real, regardless of your opinion of psychologists.

Yeah, I know.

Consider how my child felt when four of her friend's parents forbid them to play together and two told their children that she was "of the devil".

Is that trauma?

 

[ComputerSaysNo]

When one of our main political parties have singled out her type (transgender people) as a group to be persecuted (Tucker Carlson's "Hungary, a Model for America?"), perhaps it is time to accelerate the normal timeline.

So, you want to explain to her that homo sapiens is most likely a failed species; in a world where "god" is most likely nothing more than an idea. She is 6 years old.

I would tread carefully, and not project too much. Take a step back and go to the underlying problem: humans are weak.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

There are layers of information that you reveal to kids. Certainly a 6yo knows about "bad guys", but knowing about bad guys and seeing images of the corpses that bad guys leave behind are night and day.

why? "bad guys" are from disney movies, and they always lose in the end...it's hard to give anyone, even a child, a real perspective using disney characters as your examples...

 

[PJ Diaz]

Yes, I agree. This is why I am questioning it.

My wife has a degree in Early Childhood Education, do you want me to ask her opinion?

 

[Unclebaldrick]

why? "bad guys" are from disney movies, and they always lose in the end...it's hard to give anyone, even a child, a real perspective using disney characters as your examples...
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Already showed her that one. Coincidentally, I am a D. Duck fan of high degree. Bought all the archival stuff when Disney released it, even own the sheet music to Der Fuerher's Face.. It totally missed the point - scarce coffee just did not resonate with her.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

I will echo what I said earlier: one should teach their kids to think critically, to question EVERYTHING, and not spoon-feed them ideology of any sort.

There is a firm ground to be built here, and it will make the person resilient against falling prey to consumerism, against being mind-controlled by internet media, against hating and putting people into categories based on superficial qualities.

Going from "look here, the Holocaust" to "this is why we must hate Nazis" is a cop-out. The issue is more complex. Why would anybody commit such a crime in the first place? Is it in the Germans' genes? Could it happen again? Where? Why?

What's the thing that drives Nazis to be such haters? What's the nature of the hating?

it's in EVERYONE'S genes...but some of us overcome it and learn to think rationally and logically, while some of us drop to all fours and run through the jungle, attacking anything that makes us afraid...i don't see how it can ever be too early to teach that distinction

 

[Unclebaldrick]

My wife has a degree in Early Childhood Education, do you want me to ask her opinion?

I don't know your wife.

 

[PJ Diaz]

I don't know your wife.

She's much nicer than I am. She's a person of color, who had to flee her homeland due to war as a child.

 

[mooray]

Yeah, I know.

Consider how my child felt when four of her friend's parents forbid them to play together and two told their children that she was "of the devil".

Is that trauma?

It absolutely is.

Bud....don't treat me like some team trump guy saying the opposite just for the sake of it. We all know enough about each other that we're past that. I taught preschool for a few years and have read a book or two and taken a class or two and have been around actual professionals. I'm no expert, but I know enough to know that six is too young for a holocaust museum. There is a way you could teach her about it yourself, that first layer, six is old enough to learn about the first layer. You use words like "hurt" and "mean" and you probably wouldn't use anything visual. The museum is too much. Going in circles here and I don't want to, so I've said my bit and have done my duty as a person that cares about the development of kids.

 

[Unclebaldrick]

So, you want to explain to her that homo sapiens is most likely a failed species; in a world where "god" is most likely nothing more than an idea. She is 6 years old.

I would tread carefully, and not project too much. Take a step back and go to the underlying problem: humans are weak.

We have taught her little of god except that it is something that most people believe in. My wife and I do not in the traditional sense. It has not ruined Christmas for her. We teach the underlying lessons and revere Jesus as a cool dude.

 

[Unclebaldrick]

She's much nicer than I am. She's a person of color, who had to flee her homeland due to war as a child.

Cool. I just don't know her so her opinion would not mean a lot. No offense is intended.

 

[PJ Diaz]

Yeah, I know.

Consider how my child felt when four of her friend's parents forbid them to play together and two told their children that she was "of the devil".

Is that trauma?

Honestly it sounds like you are raising your child in the wrong community in terms of compatibility with your values. Move out here to Santa Cruz, and you won't have that problem. You will have different problems, like insane housing costs, hut hey everything's a trade off.

 

[ComputerSaysNo]

it's in EVERYONE'S genes...but some of us overcome it and learn to think rationally and logically, while some of us drop to all fours and run through the jungle, attacking anything that makes us afraid...i don't see how it can ever be too early to teach that distinction

That is pretty much my point. Teaching the distinction, and not making somebody believe something. Beliefs are quite useless.

We have taught her little of god except that it is something that most people believe in. My wife and I do not in the traditional sense. It has not ruined Christmas for her. We teach the underlying lessons and revere Jesus as a cool dude.

Jesus was a cool dude. A cool human dude.