rkymtnman
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i have to generally look up at least 1 word from most of your posts!!!! lmao
Covid vaccine not so safe? Video of nurse passing out.
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LOL thanks, you're far too sweet.
ComputerSaysNo
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I did get Comirnaty (BioNTech vaccine, "Pfizer" in the US). Did not feel anything after the first shot, after the second shot it was a very, very faint discomfort that I would probably not have noticed had I not known that I was vaccinated. Muscle aching at the injection point for a few days (that happens with other vaccines, too, probably unrelated to the vaccine itself).
My mom (79 years old) did not feel a thing. I have heard that from a lot of seniors. A lot of young people reported they felt like shit. Probably the stronger your immune system is, the more you feel.
My mom (79 years old) did not feel a thing. I have heard that from a lot of seniors. A lot of young people reported they felt like shit. Probably the stronger your immune system is, the more you feel.
CheGueVapo
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It doesn't mean shit to show an example of somebody that has a bad reaction on any vaccine.
Lets take the risk of thrombus that can happen with the vaccine.
Few people (lower than 10) under 1 million vacinated get the symptom.
But the actual infection, if you catch it, more than 40 people have THAT exact symptom under 1 million.
So it depends.
I totally agree that you should NOT take a vaccination that is NOT neccesary because YOUR individual risk is low.
The death rate under 35 years is low... if you are female, its quite lower, same is the chance of developing more than mild symptoms at all.
Some people say, we want everyone to be vaccinated to achieve the herd immunity for everyone to be safer. In fatc that carries out a lot of collateral damage.
Why should the less affected take the risk of vaccination damage, if those elderly or other that are at high risk REFUSE the vaccination. They need it!
Any vaccination contains a risk.... a tetanus vaccination CAN have complications! Same than covid.
BUT comparatively the Moderna/Pfizers have less complications than the old ones, than ever before.
Still I think it should be everyones own decision, not to force anyone or to allow them only to have a living in freedom with vaccination... THAT's not right.
You want to force one... force those who are at HIGH risk! Those refusing.... i cant get my head around... usually it's conspiracy theories, or they say "Im so old, dying soon, leave it to the younger" thats CRAZY! We do vaccinate only to protect those at higher risk.... the general healthy person is not at that high risk, would not require the vaccine to have a good chance to survive.... the machines, like the ECMO, we have the elderly in there. They need to be vaccinated to stop the dying... check WHO dies!
Think about it.... those at high risk, if they have the shots... less and less die... and it's going to be no problem anymore... the more it mutates, the LESS it's going to be danger.... the theory of a spontaneous mutating killer virus is a hoax.... in fact the high death rate at first came from a "low level of adoption"... the more humans had the virus, and the more the virus changes, its going to be less lethal.... thats NORMAL! The virus does not WANT to damage us.... it wants not to get killed by our imune system, it flees.... so not killing us is a quite obvious good way to survive, and because that works, those "strains" less lethal going to spread more, a dead body in the crematorium doesn't spread, if you aree quarantined isolated in the hospital, you dont spread and the more of the patients at high risk are vaccinated, the less is the death toll.... thats GOOD! Relax.. it is "SAFE", safer than any vaccination before!
Still it must spread, and spread and adoption, in my eyes is good. The virus learns less to harm us, to better spread. We learn to react, no matter the actual immunisation holds on just monthes... still your imune system reacts BETTER next strain! Mild symptoms... fuck it! Come again, baby! Keep tryin...
I find that OK....
We going to deal with it.... sooner or later, and theres no need to panic, or see only hope in vaccines... this is not the first plaque nagging on us foolish creatures!
Lets take the risk of thrombus that can happen with the vaccine.
Few people (lower than 10) under 1 million vacinated get the symptom.
But the actual infection, if you catch it, more than 40 people have THAT exact symptom under 1 million.
So it depends.
I totally agree that you should NOT take a vaccination that is NOT neccesary because YOUR individual risk is low.
The death rate under 35 years is low... if you are female, its quite lower, same is the chance of developing more than mild symptoms at all.
Some people say, we want everyone to be vaccinated to achieve the herd immunity for everyone to be safer. In fatc that carries out a lot of collateral damage.
Why should the less affected take the risk of vaccination damage, if those elderly or other that are at high risk REFUSE the vaccination. They need it!
Any vaccination contains a risk.... a tetanus vaccination CAN have complications! Same than covid.
BUT comparatively the Moderna/Pfizers have less complications than the old ones, than ever before.
Still I think it should be everyones own decision, not to force anyone or to allow them only to have a living in freedom with vaccination... THAT's not right.
You want to force one... force those who are at HIGH risk! Those refusing.... i cant get my head around... usually it's conspiracy theories, or they say "Im so old, dying soon, leave it to the younger" thats CRAZY! We do vaccinate only to protect those at higher risk.... the general healthy person is not at that high risk, would not require the vaccine to have a good chance to survive.... the machines, like the ECMO, we have the elderly in there. They need to be vaccinated to stop the dying... check WHO dies!
Think about it.... those at high risk, if they have the shots... less and less die... and it's going to be no problem anymore... the more it mutates, the LESS it's going to be danger.... the theory of a spontaneous mutating killer virus is a hoax.... in fact the high death rate at first came from a "low level of adoption"... the more humans had the virus, and the more the virus changes, its going to be less lethal.... thats NORMAL! The virus does not WANT to damage us.... it wants not to get killed by our imune system, it flees.... so not killing us is a quite obvious good way to survive, and because that works, those "strains" less lethal going to spread more, a dead body in the crematorium doesn't spread, if you aree quarantined isolated in the hospital, you dont spread and the more of the patients at high risk are vaccinated, the less is the death toll.... thats GOOD! Relax.. it is "SAFE", safer than any vaccination before!
Still it must spread, and spread and adoption, in my eyes is good. The virus learns less to harm us, to better spread. We learn to react, no matter the actual immunisation holds on just monthes... still your imune system reacts BETTER next strain! Mild symptoms... fuck it! Come again, baby! Keep tryin...
I find that OK....
We going to deal with it.... sooner or later, and theres no need to panic, or see only hope in vaccines... this is not the first plaque nagging on us foolish creatures!
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waterproof808
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I got pfizer back in January. Felt pretty lousy after the second dose but was back to normal after 48 hours. I recently got concerned about my immunity level with all the reports that pfizers vaccine did not produce as many antibodies as the moderna, reports of breakthrough cases, and since it has been over 9 months since i was vaccinated and I was about to do some traveling to very crowded areas.
I just got back from a week and half trip to Las Vegas/Arizona, was in some VERY heavy crowds of unmasked people at some points on the strip and freemont, ate in some busy restaurants, even went to a fairly tight spaced hip hop show at a glass blowing studio where everyone wasnt wearing masks and smoking heavy (i did not share anyones joints/pipe). At some times I did not wear a mask, but I did wear a n95 on the airplane and I was quite sure I had to have been exposed to covid at some point during the trip...there were thousands of people on the strip and on freemont street that we had to wade through.
Since I am fully vaccinated, i did not have to quarantine upon arriving back in Hawaii, but as a courtesy to my coworkers I decided to get a covid test before going back to work, and am proud to report I tested negative for Covid and have renewed faith in the efficacy of the pfizer vaccine. I'm not suggesting the fully vaccinated should let their guards down but I do have faith that our vaccinations work incredibly and there is absolutely no reason to be fearful of receiving them. Its the only way we will get back to some semblance of normalcy.
I just got back from a week and half trip to Las Vegas/Arizona, was in some VERY heavy crowds of unmasked people at some points on the strip and freemont, ate in some busy restaurants, even went to a fairly tight spaced hip hop show at a glass blowing studio where everyone wasnt wearing masks and smoking heavy (i did not share anyones joints/pipe). At some times I did not wear a mask, but I did wear a n95 on the airplane and I was quite sure I had to have been exposed to covid at some point during the trip...there were thousands of people on the strip and on freemont street that we had to wade through.
Since I am fully vaccinated, i did not have to quarantine upon arriving back in Hawaii, but as a courtesy to my coworkers I decided to get a covid test before going back to work, and am proud to report I tested negative for Covid and have renewed faith in the efficacy of the pfizer vaccine. I'm not suggesting the fully vaccinated should let their guards down but I do have faith that our vaccinations work incredibly and there is absolutely no reason to be fearful of receiving them. Its the only way we will get back to some semblance of normalcy.
ComputerSaysNo
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Seriously, those two mRNA-based vaccines are so similar, and there is absolutely no solid science right now about any discernable difference. Breakthroughs are normal, look at the relative numbers and not at the absolute numbers.
These vaccines are extremely advanced, and very effective and accurate. We should be grateful that the technology existed when it was time to apply it.
In a few years mRNA meds will be commonplace, possibly save a lot of lives, and we will laugh at our 2021 selves for being so concerned.
waterproof808
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Do you know very many people with Polio? Probably next to no one, and you can thank vaccines for that.
Doug Dawson
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It is everyone's decision. Medical science has said this is the right thing to so If you choose to ignore that than cool, you live with the consequences. That could mean you cant keep your job or perhaps not eat in a restaurant but that's the price of your decision. Last I checked we live among other people and some issues are bigger than the individual but still nobody is holding folks down forcing a shot into them. It is still each person's choice.
ComputerSaysNo
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In some cases the individual needs to take a step back and yield some "freedom" for the greater good.
It's not your choice to drive under the influence -- that's because you don't risk just killing yourself, but others, too. It's the same here.
waterproof808
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Great freedom comes with great responsibility. We are paying the price of unchecked freedom at all costs....an epidemic of misinformation and over 700,000 people dead in this country alone, while many people just shrug it off and say "oh, how many of them were obese? They shouldve been eating more vegetables" as if things like obesity can be cured overnight.
Doug Dawson
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I am pretty sure "we live among other people and some issues are bigger than the individual " summed it up. As a double vaccinated person who works in 3 hospitals I have little patience for those who refuse to step up for the greater good. As for driving under the influence, yes people choose to do it. It is a choice, just the wrong one. That's whey they should be prosecuted with much harsher penalties for such ignorance.
Lordhooha
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I think vaccines should be mandatory. Due To stupid simple minded creatures on this planet we‘re seeing a resurgence of long damn near eradicated diseases. Somehow they think they know better then doctors. There’s more then enough shots to go around. Thus to get this damn virus and others under control again they need to be mandatory. Granted I’m fully immune to the virus before I got the vaccine but still got it none the less To protect others.It doesn't mean shit to show an example of somebody that has a bad reaction on any vaccine.
Lets take the risk of thrombus that can happen with the vaccine.
Few people (lower than 10) under 1 million vacinated get the symptom.
But the actual infection, if you catch it, more than 40 people have THAT exact symptom under 1 million.
So it depends.
I totally agree that you should NOT take a vaccination that is NOT neccesary because YOUR individual risk is low.
The death rate under 35 years is low... if you are female, its quite lower, same is the chance of developing more than mild symptoms at all.
Some people say, we want everyone to be vaccinated to achieve the herd immunity for everyone to be safer. In fatc that carries out a lot of collateral damage.
Why should the less affected take the risk of vaccination damage, if those elderly or other that are at high risk REFUSE the vaccination. They need it!
Any vaccination contains a risk.... a tetanus vaccination CAN have complications! Same than covid.
BUT comparatively the Moderna/Pfizers have less complications than the old ones, than ever before.
Still I think it should be everyones own decision, not to force anyone or to allow them only to have a living in freedom with vaccination... THAT's not right.
You want to force one... force those who are at HIGH risk! Those refusing.... i cant get my head around... usually it's conspiracy theories, or they say "Im so old, dying soon, leave it to the younger" thats CRAZY! We do vaccinate only to protect those at higher risk.... the general healthy person is not at that high risk, would not require the vaccine to have a good chance to survive.... the machines, like the ECMO, we have the elderly in there. They need to be vaccinated to stop the dying... check WHO dies!
Think about it.... those at high risk, if they have the shots... less and less die... and it's going to be no problem anymore... the more it mutates, the LESS it's going to be danger.... the theory of a spontaneous mutating killer virus is a hoax.... in fact the high death rate at first came from a "low level of adoption"... the more humans had the virus, and the more the virus changes, its going to be less lethal.... thats NORMAL! The virus does not WANT to damage us.... it wants not to get killed by our imune system, it flees.... so not killing us is a quite obvious good way to survive, and because that works, those "strains" less lethal going to spread more, a dead body in the crematorium doesn't spread, if you aree quarantined isolated in the hospital, you dont spread and the more of the patients at high risk are vaccinated, the less is the death toll.... thats GOOD! Relax.. it is "SAFE", safer than any vaccination before!
Still it must spread, and spread and adoption, in my eyes is good. The virus learns less to harm us, to better spread. We learn to react, no matter the actual immunisation holds on just monthes... still your imune system reacts BETTER next strain! Mild symptoms... fuck it! Come again, baby! Keep tryin...
I find that OK....
Rozgreenburn
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I guess we all can choose, fine, but the unvaxed who end up with Covid should not take precedence over citizens who did, in the emergency room...
StonedGardener
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The last mutation of Covid was certainly not less dangerous. I think mutations can go either way. Where do rights end when you endanger the "tribes" survival. People's rights have certainly maxed out a shit-ton of hospitals, spread the infection and killed many a "tribal" members. How about rabies.......smallpox......TB........polio vaccines ? I grew up around many a kid with polio, so heart wrenching to witness.... "Thanks mom and dad for protecting our rights ! ". This shit ain't going away soon. Spreaders will be running allover Hell's acres. I'm certainly aware the vaccine is not an option for all. Not so bad I guess, only 700,000 plus dead. I certainly expect an attack now for these comments from a shiver of sharks. It's my right to express thoughts, not to kill someone.It doesn't mean shit to show an example of somebody that has a bad reaction on any vaccine.
Lets take the risk of thrombus that can happen with the vaccine.
Few people (lower than 10) under 1 million vacinated get the symptom.
But the actual infection, if you catch it, more than 40 people have THAT exact symptom under 1 million.
So it depends.
I totally agree that you should NOT take a vaccination that is NOT neccesary because YOUR individual risk is low.
The death rate under 35 years is low... if you are female, its quite lower, same is the chance of developing more than mild symptoms at all.
Some people say, we want everyone to be vaccinated to achieve the herd immunity for everyone to be safer. In fatc that carries out a lot of collateral damage.
Why should the less affected take the risk of vaccination damage, if those elderly or other that are at high risk REFUSE the vaccination. They need it!
Any vaccination contains a risk.... a tetanus vaccination CAN have complications! Same than covid.
BUT comparatively the Moderna/Pfizers have less complications than the old ones, than ever before.
Still I think it should be everyones own decision, not to force anyone or to allow them only to have a living in freedom with vaccination... THAT's not right.
You want to force one... force those who are at HIGH risk! Those refusing.... i cant get my head around... usually it's conspiracy theories, or they say "Im so old, dying soon, leave it to the younger" thats CRAZY! We do vaccinate only to protect those at higher risk.... the general healthy person is not at that high risk, would not require the vaccine to have a good chance to survive.... the machines, like the ECMO, we have the elderly in there. They need to be vaccinated to stop the dying... check WHO dies!
Think about it.... those at high risk, if they have the shots... less and less die... and it's going to be no problem anymore... the more it mutates, the LESS it's going to be danger.... the theory of a spontaneous mutating killer virus is a hoax.... in fact the high death rate at first came from a "low level of adoption"... the more humans had the virus, and the more the virus changes, its going to be less lethal.... thats NORMAL! The virus does not WANT to damage us.... it wants not to get killed by our imune system, it flees.... so not killing us is a quite obvious good way to survive, and because that works, those "strains" less lethal going to spread more, a dead body in the crematorium doesn't spread, if you aree quarantined isolated in the hospital, you dont spread and the more of the patients at high risk are vaccinated, the less is the death toll.... thats GOOD! Relax.. it is "SAFE", safer than any vaccination before!
Still it must spread, and spread and adoption, in my eyes is good. The virus learns less to harm us, to better spread. We learn to react, no matter the actual immunisation holds on just monthes... still your imune system reacts BETTER next strain! Mild symptoms... fuck it! Come again, baby! Keep tryin...
I find that OK....
CheGueVapo
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But the outcomes rating better each day and each new day it's "the lowest mortality rate" ever.
When you hear some scientist stating this or that mutation is more "danger", they never mean the fatality... but the SPREAD.
World-wide we're on the peak of the 3rd wave... just at the moment peaking again "highest active cases counts" maybe topping them this time.
But the daily death cases world-wide is lowering and might go down under 5k, lowest daily-death count ever.
So WHY you claim it is getting more danger, while obviously the exact opposite is happening. Stop spreading false information.
Stop forcing people into vaccination risks, that are NOT at high risk with Covid, like fucking chilren. If you fear it that much, get an the vaccination and stfu... you dont need to convice others to take medicines! It's THEIR OWN CHOICE
Herb & Suds
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Herb & Suds
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Make me !Check those fucking mortality rates and compare it to covid you stupid moron! I cant stand your heroic bullshit-telling.
Rabies has the highest mortality rate -- 99.9%
Smallpox Prognosis.... 30% Risk of death.
TB is under control with good medicine, otherwise HIGH.
The case fatality ratio for paralytic polio is generally 2% to 5% among children and up to 15% to 30% among adolescents and adults. It increases to 25% to 75% with bulbar involvement.
Now check COVID.... it started a little higher, mainly because doctors had no clue yet what to do... then WITHOUT vaccines it was around 3%.
Today we are at: 2,21%
If you look how is affected,it'sSTILL the elderly and the ones with bad imune-system.
Take your american symbol of freedom, point at where the vacuum is - your skull - and pull the trigger!
Lordhooha
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The delta variant is worse. The outcome is just as good as the other variant.Check those fucking mortality rates and compare it to covid you stupid moron! I cant stand your heroic bullshit-telling.
Rabies has the highest mortality rate -- 99.9%
Smallpox Prognosis.... 30% Risk of death.
TB is under control with good medicine, otherwise HIGH.
The case fatality ratio for paralytic polio is generally 2% to 5% among children and up to 15% to 30% among adolescents and adults. It increases to 25% to 75% with bulbar involvement.
Now check COVID....0,000001 under children, it started a little higher for the elderly, mainly because doctors had no clue yet what to do... then WITHOUT vaccines it was around 3%.
Today we are at: 2,21%... those vaccinated are not in, because they are vaccinated, they dont have severe case anymore.
If you look who is affected, it's STILL the elderly and the ones with bad imune-system.
If those at high risk dont want no vaccinates, it's their own fucking problem. Did you know due to mandatory vaccinations small pots, polio and other diseases were pretty much eradicated? All the way up until soccer moms with Google degrees thought they knew better then actual doctors and protested until they got their way. Now they're attempting to combat these diseases with elderberry and fairy farts. Guess what though? They're dying faster then running water due to ignorance. People need to get their vaccinations period it needs to be required again especially for school age kids. It's bad enough schools are already cesspools.
"Deep thought" says "42"!
Herb & Suds
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The marxist would love to convince ignorant Americans the vaccine is unsafe
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