Covid vaccine not so safe? Video of nurse passing out.

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jimihendrix1

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What mRNA vaccines do is prompt a few of your cells near the injection site to produce the spike protein. This then primes your immune system to build the antibodies and T-cells that will fight off the real coronavirus infection when it comes.
It’s not hugely different from how traditional vaccines work. But instead of injecting a weakened live or killed virus, the mRNA approach trains your immune system directly with a single protein.
Contrary to assertions made by opponents, it won’t turn you or anyone else into a GMO. mRNA stays in the cytoplasm, where the ribosomes are. It does not enter the nucleus and cannot interact with your DNA or cause any changes to the genome. No Frankencure here, either.
A variant of the mRNA approach is to go one step back in the process and construct a vaccine platform out of DNA instead. This DNA template — constructed by scientists to encode for the coronavirus spike protein — gets into cells where it is read into mRNA and… well the rest is the same.
You might ask whether this DNA can genetically engineer your cells. Once again, the answer is no. DNA is injected in little circular pieces called “plasmids” — not to be confused with plastics — and while these do enter the nucleus, the new DNA does not integrate into your cellular genome. Got it?
 
PJ Diaz

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jimihendrix1 said:
Contrary to assertions made by opponents, it won’t turn you or anyone else into a GMO. mRNA stays in the cytoplasm, where the ribosomes are. It does not enter the nucleus and cannot interact with your DNA or cause any changes to the genome. No Frankencure here, either.
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Depends on what you consider GMO I guess. It is true that mRNA vaccines deliver genetic instructions to our cells, which modify our internal behavior, causing our bodies to produce an artificial version of the spike protein. So from that perspective you could consider it a genetic modification.

Personally I'm a bit more concerned with the spike protein being replicated in our system, and how exactly the human immune system interacts with that version of the spike protein. There is good evidence to support the idea of waning neutralizing antibodies vs binding antibodies from the vaccination vs infection, which has the potential to cause antibody dependent enhancement (a bad thing). I'm additionally concerned about how the spike protein from vaccination is distributed throughout the body.
 
Fuckingatodeaso

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jimihendrix1 said:
What mRNA vaccines do is prompt a few of your cells near the injection site to produce the spike protein. This then primes your immune system to build the antibodies and T-cells that will fight off the real coronavirus infection when it comes.
It’s not hugely different from how traditional vaccines work. But instead of injecting a weakened live or killed virus, the mRNA approach trains your immune system directly with a single protein.
Contrary to assertions made by opponents, it won’t turn you or anyone else into a GMO. mRNA stays in the cytoplasm, where the ribosomes are. It does not enter the nucleus and cannot interact with your DNA or cause any changes to the genome. No Frankencure here, either.
A variant of the mRNA approach is to go one step back in the process and construct a vaccine platform out of DNA instead. This DNA template — constructed by scientists to encode for the coronavirus spike protein — gets into cells where it is read into mRNA and… well the rest is the same.
You might ask whether this DNA can genetically engineer your cells. Once again, the answer is no. DNA is injected in little circular pieces called “plasmids” — not to be confused with plastics — and while these do enter the nucleus, the new DNA does not integrate into your cellular genome. Got it?
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According to moderna it does enter the nucleus
 
PJ Diaz

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Fuckingatodeaso said:
Moderna 2017 White paper
"The key challenge associated with DNA vaccines is that they must penetrate the cell nucleus (crossing two membranes; the cytoplasm and the nucleus). The DNA must then be transcribed in the nucleus into mRNA before moving to the cytoplasm to stimulate antigen production. This core complex pathway often requires both larger doses and special, often painful delivery devices using electric shocks or gold microspheres into person’s skin to deliver the DNA vaccine. Once inside the nucleus, DNA vaccines have a risk of permanently changing a person’s DNA."
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I thought we were talking about mRNA vaccines, which are different than DNA vaccines.

Here's a clip from the paper you posted:

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PJ Diaz

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PJ Diaz said:
No, you read the white paper wrong, and took it out of context.
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From the paper you are using as a reference:

"There are now six prophylactic mRNA vaccines in clinical trials, four of which are being conducted by Moderna Therapeutics. These vaccines combine the advantages of DNA vaccines (natural antigen expression and production that is faster and standardized) while addressing many of the disadvantages. Unlike DNA vaccines, mRNA vaccines do not need to enter the nucleus, nor do they risk being integrated into our DNA, and they are directly translated into protein antigens. As a result, mRNA vaccines require only 1/1000 the dose of DNA vaccines and do not need special delivery devices"
 
Fuckingatodeaso

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PJ Diaz said:
From the paper you are using as a reference:

"There are now six prophylactic mRNA vaccines in clinical trials, four of which are being conducted by Moderna Therapeutics. These vaccines combine the advantages of DNA vaccines (natural antigen expression and production that is faster and standardized) while addressing many of the disadvantages. Unlike DNA vaccines, mRNA vaccines do not need to enter the nucleus, nor do they risk being integrated into our DNA, and they are directly translated into protein antigens. As a result, mRNA vaccines require only 1/1000 the dose of DNA vaccines and do not need special delivery devices"
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The thing is that our cells can accidentally convert rna into DNA. Then that can penetrate.
Then your right back to DNA delivery.
MIT professor Rudolf Jenisch-
 
PJ Diaz

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Fuckingatodeaso said:
The thing is that our cells can accidentally convert rna into DNA. Then that can penetrate.
Then your right back to DNA delivery.
MIT professor Rudolf Jenisch-
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That video doesn't support your hypothesis, especially if you watch it until the end. He's talking about people who have been infected with covid, not those who have been vaxxed.
 
Fuckingatodeaso

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PJ Diaz said:
You are back to using videos to support your claims. Please submit specific data instead.
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The video contains data. I'm not going to transcribe the information and have it pier reviewed by Pfizer or Monsanto. It's about 2-3 min on the subject. it's an easy watch. You can look up the Indian analysis referred to and look up retro integration and reverse transcriptase.
 
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Fuckingatodeaso said:
The video contains data. I'm not going to transcribe the information and have it pier reviewed by Pfizer or Monsanto. It's about 2-3 min on the subject. it's an easy watch. You can look up the Indian analysis referred to and look up retro integration and reverse transcriptase.
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All you have to do is post the study which they got said data from. That shouldn't be difficult. Anyone can say anything in a video.
 
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